Girls to fight with men in the Rangers & Seals

[withrespect]

Your prejudice is seriously showing. And honestly, for some reason I expected more out of you.

As a female medic, carrying a ruck, an A and 2 B bags, how much weight does that female soldier carry?

It's training. You train and your body adjusts and compensates.

Training - a woman carries her kid, a diaper bag, a purse, and her grocery shopping. How much weight is she carrying?

Change your perspective a bit.

This is why I am scared to have an opinion on anything... I feel like I have contributed to striking a migtig nerve.

 

[itsbob]

Honestly, I think you've just raised some valid points here...& i've met enough women who are into weight training & power lifting to see that they can overcome the whole size/strength thing.

You know how you can tell the difference between a Ranger, a Green Beret and a REMF on Ft Bragg??

The REMF looks like Sylvester Stallone..

The Ranger and the Green Beret look like Barney Fife. They don't have time to go to the Gym and their body fat is near zero..

They're tall, lanky.. and look like marathon runners (which they really are)..

 

[migtig]

This is why I am scared to have an opinion on anything... View attachment 96369 I feel like I have contributed to striking a migtig nerve.

I have no idea why. I would never join an extreme elite combat team nor would I want to. I hate not taking regular showers!

I'm just stating some women would succeed and some would fail. Not every person is exactly the same. If you are going to give a guy a chance because he did a, b, and c. Then give the woman who did a, b and c the same chance. :shrug:

But you know, there is something else that just isn't being factored in - inner determination. I've seen people succeed at something I just knew they would fail at - because they were determined / resolved to succeed.

 

[itsbob]

Your prejudice is seriously showing. And honestly, for some reason I expected more out of you.

As a female medic, carrying a ruck, an A and 2 B bags, how much weight does that female soldier carry?

It's training. You train and your body adjusts and compensates.

Training - a woman carries her kid, a diaper bag, a purse, and her grocery shopping. How much weight is she carrying?

Change your perspective a bit.

You tell me, how much were you carrying, and how far?

I was lucky(?) as my last years in the Army I got to go to some development schools with female soldiers.. and granted I know it wasn't 100% of the women in the Army, but the ones I got to train with in VERY controlled environments wasn't pretty.

But I agree to a point.. IF there is no double statndard, or a lessening of current standards, if they make it, by all means put on the tan beret.. or the Green Beret.. but only if they can do it without changing a single standard that is in place now. Same PT standards, same pack-outs.. same everything..

 

[migtig]

You know how you can tell the difference between a Ranger, a Green Beret and a REMF on Ft Bragg??

The REMF looks like Sylvester Stallone..

The Ranger and the Green Beret look like Barney Fife. They don't have time to go to the Gym and their body fat is near zero..

They're tall, lanky.. and look like marathon runners (which they really are)..

I always said the Rangers looked like refugees from some starvation camp. Hollowed out cheek bones, rib cages showing and dark marks from malnutrition.

However, the Greenies I saw always looked well fed and well armed. But they were also older. What the mid 20s compared to the late teens/early 20s? At the time this was a huge age difference to me.

 

[ZARA]

Mig is right though.

 

[withrespect]

I have no idea why. I would never join an extreme elite combat team nor would I want to. I hate not taking regular showers!

I'm just stating some women would succeed and some would fail. Not every person is exactly the same. If you are going to give a guy a chance because he did a, b, and c. Then give the woman who did a, b and c the same chance. :shrug:

But you know, there is something else that just isn't being factored in - inner determination. I've seen people succeed at something I just knew they would fail at - because they were determined / resolved to succeed.

I was determined to give birth to my son. DETERMINED. Still ended up getting drugs and a C-section.

 

[migtig]

I was determined to give birth to my son. DETERMINED. Still ended up getting drugs and a C-section.

You gave birth to your son, even if you had a c-section. After all, he's here on earth to be your blessing because you carried and nourished him with your own body for 9 months right?

 

[Misfit]

I was determined to give birth to my son. DETERMINED. Still ended up getting drugs and a C-section.

I was always told that women handle pain better than men and from what I've seen, it’s true.

 

[ZARA]

I was determined to give birth to my son. DETERMINED. Still ended up getting drugs and a C-section.

Me too, I was determined to go all natural. I did too.

Now I have determined that I am a dumbass for being so determined in the first place.

Hind sight...

 

[Larry Gude]

USMC and US Army are two completely different worlds, completely different mentalities and completely different training requirements.

As I already stated, I doubt many, if any, women would even consider going Force Recon, mush less make it.

Two different worlds. You are making the wrong comparisons based on the wrong data used for measurement and reference and therefore your theory is incorrect.

Look, the studies the USMC did were all about physiology; the impact of that type of training and what it did to women's bodies v. men's. Over time. Weight bearing is weight bearing. Constant stress is constant stress. Continuing on with sprains and strains, even fractures, blisters, abrasions, all that stuff is the same regardless of who is running the course and the reality is that it degrades, physically and permanently, women far faster than it does men.

If you are so all fired determined that GI Jane is real, fine but, you're doing no one any more good than the dream of a boy being able to have a baby if he really, really wants to does.

I'll never get this desire to be the same as a man, especially our worst traits; our brute side.

 

[migtig]

I'll never get this desire to be the same as a man, especially our worst traits; our brute side.

Must be why we have so many metrosexuals and men who are in touch with their feminine side.

Seriously - do you think men are the only ones with a hunter/killer/destroyer of worlds side?

It's a different generation there gramps. Watch the news.

 

[itsbob]

USMC and US Army are two completely different worlds, completely different mentalities and completely different training requirements.

As I already stated, I doubt many, if any, women would even consider going Force Recon, mush less make it.

Two different worlds. You are making the wrong comparisons based on the wrong data used for measurement and reference and therefore your theory is incorrect.

But you think they'll do OK in the Rangers??

 

[migtig]

But you think they'll do OK in the Rangers??

I think some women will do very very well in the Rangers. I think very few women would take it a step further (at this time) to even attempt to go out for the Green Berets. A BIG part of this is mental conditioning as well.

My Uncle used to tell me there was no way in heck a woman would ever make it as an MP. My Dad used to tell me there was no way in heck a woman would ever make it as a cop.

Mental conditioning. :shrug:

 

[ZARA]

I calll BULLSH...

Yes...women CAN handle the physical side. Can all women..of course not. Just like not all men can.

Women: Powerlifting Yields Strength Without Bulky Physique | TheLedger.com

"I ended up winning my division and broke a record, so I said, ‘This is kind of fun,'" Doran said.

Doran has set records in both the 114- and 123-pound divisions. She has recorded a bench press of 135 pounds, a squat of 220 and a dead lift of 350, meaning she can hoist about three times her body weight. Baltz said Doran has twice defeated all the men in her weight division.
Doran, 34, said powerlifting remains a mostly male sport. She said a typical meet of 30 to 80 lifters might include four women.

...

That's a theme emphasized by other women who train at the gym, along with Baltz and Snell. In his office, Baltz proudly flashed photos of his wife, national powerlifting champion Michelle Baltz, wearing a bikini and looking undeniably feminine.

Snell cited Mortimer, who has followed the powerlifting regimen for 20 years and is a sleek 108 pounds."I do exactly what the guys do, and it does not put on mass," Mortimer said. "That's what women are so afraid of."

...
Marcy Boatner boasts perhaps the most startling transformation among the women. Since joining All American Gym in August 2011, Boatner has dropped her dress size from 14 to 6. Her body fat has shrunk from 36.1 percent to 20.3 percent.

Those results don't come solely from her thrice-weekly weight-lifting sessions. Boatner, 55, also does 60-minute boxing sessions five days a week at All American Gym and adds a 6-mile run twice a week.

...
Boatner said when she first visited the gym she had no idea what the bench press, dead lift and squat were.

"I wish most women would recognize that we can do this," Boatner said. "It just takes training. You have to train with someone who really knows what they're doing."

...She relishes telling the story of the day she and Glenn were packing for a trip and she decided to remove the full-sized spare tire from the trunk of his Dodge Challenger to create space for luggage. By that point, Folsom was doing 230 pounds in the dead lift.

"I thought, ‘If I can pick up 230 I can pick up this tire,'" she said. "I picked it up without touching anything and carried it into garage. I ran into the house yelling, ‘I picked up the tire!'"

Buoyed by that accomplishment, Folsom has undertaken other feats of strength, such as hauling a Christmas tree into the house without dragging it.

"It's just a great feeling," she said. "I'm 5-(foot)-1 and I'm a girl, and it's nice to know if something happens I am strong."

 

[Madam Blue]

For all you people who think women can make it in elite military units, by all means, drag your screaming, kicking, 18 year old daughters down to the recruiter's office tomorrow and sign them up. If they make it through boot camp/basic training then they can volunteer for infantry duty and apply for any of the elite forces offered. Then, if they make it through the rigorous training and get to go into combat, you can sit home every night in front of the T.V. waiting to see if your little girl will make the evening news. Maybe enough of her will survive to be recognizable.
Unless you have been in combat situations and have been around women in the military you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Let's see how many parents want to sacrifice their daughters for political experiments.

 

[Larry Gude]

Seriously - do you think men are the only ones with a hunter/killer/destroyer of worlds side?

You are not listening.

Intelligence? Sure. Stamina? You bet. Violence, aggression, ability to shoot someone in the head at distance, stab 'em, blow them up? Absolutely. Courage? Of course.

Women, physiologically, not psychologically, not emotionally, physiologically, can't bear the burdens, don't have the raw power, the joint and ligament durability of men.

This isn't bias. This is fact.

 

[thurley42]

For all you people who think women can make it in elite military units, by all means, drag your screaming, kicking, 18 year old daughters down to the recruiter's office tomorrow and sign them up. If they make it through boot camp/basic training then they can volunteer for infantry duty and apply for any of the elite forces offered. Then, if they make it through the rigorous training and get to go into combat, you can sit home every night in front of the T.V. waiting to see if your little girl will make the evening news. Maybe enough of her will survive to be recognizable.
Unless you have been in combat situations and have been around women in the military you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Let's see how many parents want to sacrifice their daughters for political experiments.

annnnd there you have it...differences in emotional responses at the idea of women in combat....

 

[ZARA]

For all you people who think women can make it in elite military units, by all means, drag your screaming, kicking, 18 year old daughters down to the recruiter's office tomorrow and sign them up. If they make it through boot camp/basic training then they can volunteer for infantry duty and apply for any of the elite forces offered. Then, if they make it through the rigorous training and get to go into combat, you can sit home every night in front of the T.V. waiting to see if your little girl will make the evening news. Maybe enough of her will survive to be recognizable.
Unless you have been in combat situations and have been around women in the military you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Let's see how many parents want to sacrifice their daughters for political experiments.

WTF really? Somehow our Daughter's are more valuable than our Son's???

Why not state the real reason...the real question...

Can our delicate sensibilities handle our daughters being MIA/POW with strong possibilities of being raped? THAT'S the real issue here.

And WTF is it so bad for our daughter’s but no thought is given to the fact this happens to our son’s too. What the F is wrong with this picture?!?

BUT we are not talking about our delicate sensibilities we are discussing if women can compete with men. YES they can.

 

[migtig]

For all you people who think women can make it in elite military units, by all means, drag your screaming, kicking, 18 year old daughters down to the recruiter's office tomorrow and sign them up. If they make it through boot camp/basic training then they can volunteer for infantry duty and apply for any of the elite forces offered. Then, if they make it through the rigorous training and get to go into combat, you can sit home every night in front of the T.V. waiting to see if your little girl will make the evening news. Maybe enough of her will survive to be recognizable.
Unless you have been in combat situations and have been around women in the military you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Let's see how many parents want to sacrifice their daughters for political experiments.

They said women would never be MPs. But they are.

They said women would never be fighter pilots. But they are.

They said women would never be astronauts. But they are.

And no woman had to be dragged kicking and screaming anywhere. They achieved their success on their own.