Gospel of Inclusion.

JPC sr

James P. Cusick Sr.
The truth will set us all free.

Because I have to change my kid's diaper doesn't mean I want more of it. But I know I'm going to get it.
:popcorn: I see this as one of our big differences in that I respect the beliefs of others and you do not. :otter:
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
:popcorn: I see this as one of our big differences in that I respect the beliefs of others and you do not. :otter:
This beligerant, arrogant, foolish, (what else have you called me lately?), fraudulant, child degrading, hypocritical heckler (that's enough for now, I think) disagrees with your claim that you respect the belief of others. I have first hand knowledge of you calling names, threatening, and otherwise belittling anyone who disagrees with you.

Try again, son.

Oh, I forgot, I'm also a
#$%^&

DUH.
:biteme:
and that's a direct quote. :lmao:
 
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JPC sr

James P. Cusick Sr.
The truth will set us all free.

This beligerant, arrogant, foolish, (what else have you called me lately?), fraudulant, child degrading, hypocritical heckler (that's enough for now, I think) disagrees with your claim that you respect the belief of others. I have first hand knowledge of you calling names, threatening, and otherwise belittling anyone who disagrees with you.

Try again, son.

Oh, I forgot, I'm also a and that's a direct quote. :lmao:
:whistle: For me - respecting "PsyOps" beliefs does NOT include respecting T_p's improper actions.

You are trying to include yourself into a comment that did not include your actions. :buddies:
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
For me - respecting "PsyOps" beliefs does NOT include respecting T_p's.
You are trying to include yourself into a comment that did not include you.
I see this as one of our big differences in that I respect the beliefs of others and you do not.
I thought you meant you respected others, not just some others.

Sorry. Now I understand you only respect some, not all others' beliefs.
 

JPC sr

James P. Cusick Sr.
The truth will set us all free.

I thought you meant you respected others, not just some others.

Sorry. Now I understand you only respect some, not all others' beliefs.
:coffee: To clarify again,

I respect everyone's beliefs but I do not respect wrongful actions. :whistle:
 

JPC sr

James P. Cusick Sr.
The truth will set us all free.

I respect the truth.
:whistle: Well I bet that takes little effort.

And the "truth" always agrees with your own beliefs - with few small exceptions.

Of course that is not what Jesus Christ taught link HERE.

This is why it is correct to give our regard to ACTIONS and not to beliefs.

The "Good Samaritan" link HERE was one that had different beliefs (the un-truth) while the Priest and the Levite that had the "truth" yet had the incorrect actions.

Like hate the sin and not the sinner - Jesus is saying to love doing right and hate doing wrong.

The action speak louder then the words (beliefs). :whistle:
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
:whistle: Well I bet that takes little effort.

And the "truth" always agrees with your own beliefs - with few small exceptions.

Of course that is not what Jesus Christ taught link HERE.

This is why it is correct to give our regard to ACTIONS and not to beliefs.

The "Good Samaritan" link HERE was one that had different beliefs (the un-truth) while the Priest and the Levite that had the "truth" yet had the incorrect actions.

Like hate the sin and not the sinner - Jesus is saying to love doing right and hate doing wrong.

The action speak louder then the words (beliefs). :whistle:
And that's the truth!



Well, your truth, 'cuz you believe it
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
:whistle: Well I bet that takes little effort.

And the "truth" always agrees with your own beliefs - with few small exceptions.

Of course that is not what Jesus Christ taught link HERE.

Why should respecting the truth require any effort? What does effort have to do with it? The truth is what it is. And my beliefs are rooted in the truth not the other way around. The verse you provided has nothing to do with what we are talking about. The fact that I believe some will not go to heaven has nothing to do with whether I live them or not. My dad does not believe in Christ. He is not going to heaven unless he changes this. But I still love him even though I disagree with him on his beliefs. Christians are charged with bringing the Gospel to others, but you can’t make them drink. THAT is what Jesus taught. It has to do with our faith and God’s faithfulness.

This is why it is correct to give our regard to ACTIONS and not to beliefs.

You can’t have one without the other. Faith without actions (or works) is dead (James 2:14-18). God gives no regard to your actions if you have no faith. Actions all by themselves serve no purpose. It’s like driving a car without knowing where you are going. You are just driving around aimlessly. It has to have a purpose.

The "Good Samaritan" was one that had different beliefs (the un-truth) while the Priest and the Levite that had the "truth" yet had the incorrect actions.

This is false. The Good Samaritan demonstrated someone who has faith and actions to back his faith up. The priest had only faith with no actions. The priest’s faith was dead.

Like hate the sin and not the sinner - Jesus is saying to love doing right and hate doing wrong.

The action speak louder then the words (beliefs).

One of the things that is DOING RIGHT is believing in Christ. Just like Christ knew that it was right to be baptized. Now he charges us to be baptized with the Holy Spirit, not just with water.
 

JPC sr

James P. Cusick Sr.
The truth will set us all free.

Why should respecting the truth require any effort? What does effort have to do with it? The truth is what it is. And my beliefs are rooted in the truth not the other way around.
:coffee: Effort has to do with what we actually do according to those believed truths.

The actions count more then the words.

Like committing adultery in our mind as Jesus said but doing it as action is worse.

We have President Bush that believes his violent and abusive "truths" of torture and war-ing so it is not right to call our truths as if the truths are absolute.

Most times it is harmless when a person's believed truths are wrong or mistakes but when the incorrect truths are put into action then there becomes problems.

Therefore the real and hard efforts come from accepting the unwanted truths, the truths that do not comply with our beliefs.

:duel:
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
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Like committing adultery in our mind as Jesus said but doing it as action is worse.....

That is not what Jesus taught.
Mathew 5:21-48

21"You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.'

22"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

23"Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you,

24leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering.

25"Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison.

26"Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last cent.

27"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY';

28but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.


29"If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

30"If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.

31"It was said, 'WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE';

32but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

33"Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.'

34"But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,

35or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING.

36"Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.

37"But let your statement be, 'Yes, yes' or 'No, no'; anything beyond these is of evil.

38"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.'

39"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

40"If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.

41"Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.

42"Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.

43"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.'

44"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

46"For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?

47"If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?

48"Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
 

JPC sr

James P. Cusick Sr.
The truth will set us all free.

That is not what Jesus taught.
:eyebrow: The point I made and still say is that committing the sin is worse then doing it in our mind or heart.

It is still wrong to think it, but to actually do it is worse.

Jesus words do not contradict that simple and obvious point. :cartwheel
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
:eyebrow: The point I made and still say is that committing the sin is worse then doing it in our mind or heart.

It is still wrong to think it, but to actually do it is worse.

Jesus words do not contradict that simple and obvious point. :cartwheel

Yes, they do.

No sin is greater or less than any other sin. To lust which involves no action is as bad as fornication which is as bad as adultery which is as bad as homosexuality which is as bad as murder which is as bad as lying which is as bad as worshiping some god other than YHWH.

Sin is sin and all sin is deserving of death.

And all sin can be forgiven through the grace of God and the salvation provided through Christ Jesus.
 

JPC sr

James P. Cusick Sr.
The truth will set us all free.

Yes, they do.

No sin is greater or less than any other sin. To lust which involves no action is as bad as fornication which is as bad as adultery which is as bad as homosexuality which is as bad as murder which is as bad as lying which is as bad as worshiping some god other than YHWH.

Sin is sin and all sin is deserving of death.

And all sin can be forgiven through the grace of God and the salvation provided through Christ Jesus.
:hot: Well I certainly do not agree with that above,

and I do not see sense in arguing the truth since "2A" is believing it.

So I will word it differently so the point can be understood.

If a person thinks (in heart and brain) to murder or rape or violence, then there is no crime, but if that person actually goes out and does as thy thinketh then they have gone to far.

Turning thy wicked thoughts into wicked action is a far greater wrong.

:cartwheel
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
:hot: Well I certainly do not agree with that above,

and I do not see sense in arguing the truth since "2A" is believing it.

So I will word it differently so the point can be understood.

If a person thinks (in heart and brain) to murder or rape or violence, then there is no crime, but if that person actually goes out and does as thy thinketh then they have gone to far.

Turning thy wicked thoughts into wicked action is a far greater wrong.

:cartwheel

Not according to the Bible. Of course you don't believe the Bible, so that is why you disagree.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
:coffee: Effort has to do with what we actually do according to those believed truths.

This has nothing to do with my point that believing in the truth requires any amount of effort.

The actions count more then the words.

But actions don’t count more than faith. You can have all the good actions in the world, but without faith and belief in Christ your action mean nothing.

Like committing adultery in our mind as Jesus said but doing it as action is worse.

Jesus also said that lusting after someone is also adultery. So, just the thought of it is a sin.

We have President Bush that believes his violent and abusive "truths" of torture and war-ing so it is not right to call our truths as if the truths are absolute.

Most times it is harmless when a person's believed truths are wrong or mistakes but when the incorrect truths are put into action then there becomes problems.

Was God being violent and abusive when He flooded the earth drowning every living being? Was God being violent and abusive when He used his power to defeat the Egyptians when the Hebrews were freed? Was God being violent and abusive when he used Moses to defeat the Amalekites? What about when God helped David defeat the Philistines? Was it violent, abusive and tortuous to allow his own son to die on the cross? You know, with all of these things, you can call Bush (or anyone else) a liar and evil and :blahblah: but God has a larger purpose that I trust. My faith takes me way beyond what Bush or any other world leader does.

Therefore the real and hard efforts come from accepting the unwanted truths, the truths that do not comply with our beliefs.

What? :eyebrow:
 

Xaquin44

New Member
Not according to the Bible. Of course you don't believe the Bible, so that is why you disagree.

I believe that if the bible says that checking some lady out is the same as killing her and eating the toes then the bible is stupid.

Common sense here people .... would you be equally angry if a guy flipped you off as if a guy killed your dog and then laughed at you?
 
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