Gospel of Inclusion.

[This_person]

We must judge the actions and not the person - hate the sin and not the sinner.

Is that why you said:

He needs to be ashamed ...he is not embarased by his pervertion ... I need to expose it ... I am not perverted as he is.

Telling me I need to be ashamed, that I am perverted.... That's judging the sin and not the sinner?

That must be from one of the parts of the Bible you think is true, not one you think is untrue, or a complete fake:

There are large sections of the Bible that are untrue and some complete books of the Bible are fakes.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Sorry, you can't have it both ways.... No need to be saved today if I'm already saved "tomorrow".... if it is not wicked enough to be sent to a hell then it obviously is not wicked enough today as we are living. Just because you don't like the use of the "shortbus" by Tp - doesn't matter. Your view says Jesus likes it enough to save her in the end you are just a little meaningless speck in mankind's history and Jesus has decided (in your view) to save everybody... who are you to say the world is wicked or injust - you say Jesus is good to go with it all because everybody including Satan gets in at the end!

If there is no consequence in the end there is no consequence today.

But we have factual believe-your-own-eyes evidence of the sin and suffering in this present world.

We can know that people do need saved from the debaucheries and violences and pain that we each can see and hear and feel in this present world and our own society.

That proof is very obvious and verifiable.

Thereafter our faith in God and the Bible and the after-death / after-life are the product from the here and now.

In the end neither humanity nor our loving Father God would ever accept our enemies being burned for ever and ever.

It is not just that the Christian "Hell" does not exist, but that it can not posibly exist.

 

[fredcaudle]

But we have factual believe-your-own-eyes evidence of the sin and suffering in this present world.

We can know that people do need saved from the debaucheries and violences and pain that we each can see and hear and feel in this present world and our own society.

That proof is very obvious and verifiable.

Thereafter our faith in God and the Bible and the after-death / after-life are the product from the here and now.

In the end neither humanity nor our loving Father God would ever accept our enemies being burned for ever and ever.

It is not just that the Christian "Hell" does not exist, but that it can not posibly exist.

"We can know that people do need saved from the debaucheries and violences and pain that we each can see and hear and feel in this present world and our own society."

Why? Live it up today.. tomorrow Jesus will take me regardless of what I said, did, or believe. Who cares if people are hurting, just wait until eternity where we can hold hands and love each other, right? (I'm speaking only to what you have written, I would never believe such nonsense.)

You do not know the holiness of God and His Spirit, this is why you are preaching a perverted gospel.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

"Why? Live it up today.. tomorrow Jesus will take me regardless of what I said, did, or believe. Who cares if people are hurting, just wait until eternity where we can hold hands and love each other, right? (I'm speaking only to what you have written, I would never believe such nonsense.)

You are free to try that,

and it will back-fire on you as it does to anyone.

And if you or anyone does that then you will reap that as you sow it - here and now.

If the reason you do not do that is because your afraid of Hell then you are already walking dead.

 

[This_person]

You are free to try that,

and it will back-fire on you as it does to anyone.

And if you or anyone does that then you will reap that as you sow it - here and now.

If the reason you do not do that is because your afraid of Hell then you are already walking dead.

How will it backfire? In what tangible way will it backfire, based upon your view of religion?

 

[fredcaudle]

You are free to try that,

and it will back-fire on you as it does to anyone.

And if you or anyone does that then you will reap that as you sow it - here and now.

If the reason you do not do that is because your afraid of Hell then you are already walking dead.

the 'walking dead' are those without Jesus Christ, for the Spirit gives life.

Your argument on hell is mindless... there are people who are afraid of entering hell and then those truly saved understand the greater fear which includes the meaning respect....

"the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" (Psalm 111.10) You do not fear God (fear literally or respect literally) and so you please your mind to say no hell, for god would be "unjust" "unmerciful" etc. Like God really cares what you think about Him... He loves you (John 3.16) but will not be changed by or to you. The verses below are Jesus' own words... your thread here has accused Jesus of lieing and for this you need to repent. You will say "man" wrote it, or "church doctrine" came up with it... etc. And you will reap the eternity you preach - and it won't be salvation.

Matthew 7:21-23 (NIV) "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

 

[2ndAmendment]

"We can know that people do need saved from the debaucheries and violences and pain that we each can see and hear and feel in this present world and our own society."

Why? Live it up today.. tomorrow Jesus will take me regardless of what I said, did, or believe. Who cares if people are hurting, just wait until eternity where we can hold hands and love each other, right? (I'm speaking only to what you have written, I would never believe such nonsense.)

You do not know the holiness of God and His Spirit, this is why you are preaching a perverted gospel.

That is what the Nicolaitans believed and we know how Jesus feels about their deeds.

Revelation 2:5-7

5'Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and will remove your lampstand out of its place--unless you repent.

6'Yet this you do have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

7'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of the tree of life which is in the Paradise of God.'

 

[2ndAmendment]

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Your argument on hell is mindless... .

Goes with the rest of JPC.

 

[fredcaudle]

Goes with the rest of JPC.

amen and amen...

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

the 'walking dead' are those without Jesus Christ, for the Spirit gives life.

That was my point.

Your argument on hell is mindless...

That might have some truth to it because the human mind is wicked and thinks up such violent concepts.

Everybody getting saved is far from anything that I could have thought up without seeing it in the Bible.

It is a matter of faith and rightness and not a human thought.

there are people who are afraid of entering hell and then those truly saved understand the greater fear which includes the meaning respect....

Fear and respect are far from being the same thing.

The "fear of God" means like not being afraid of doing a sin like lie, steal, cheat, etc., because we will reap as we sow, and it makes one weaker.

"the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" (Psalm 111.10)

That means like a child fearing a parent and not like fearing a tyrant violent torturer, because then God would be an abuser.

You do not fear God (fear literally or respect literally) and so you please your mind to say no hell, for god would be "unjust" "unmerciful" etc.

I am not afraid of God.

God's truth does not ask for cowardice so I fear His anger but I am not afraid of His sound judgements.

Like I might well get violently punished and tortured by other people but not from our loving Father God.

Like God really cares what you think about Him... He loves you (John 3.16) but will not be changed by or to you.

Yes, God does care about what you and me and everyone think about Him, and He cares about what we each say and do too.

The old drunken bum laying in a gutter will one day be a Prince of the most High except the lost soul does not know it, and neither does the people that scorn the guy (or gal).

your thread here has accused Jesus of lieing and for this you need to repent.

I never ever said Jesus lied at any time.

I have only said that Christianity has made mistakes in interpreting the scriptures.

You will say "man" wrote it, or "church doctrine" came up with it... etc. And you will reap the eternity you preach - and it won't be salvation.

The human fear threat of torture (Hell) has no effect on me,

because I know better.

Matthew 7:21-23 (NIV) "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Well Judgement Day will not be a complete picnic for everyone as some will need to be cleaned and purified by the lake of fire that save people's souls but even that is an undeserved and an unconditional blessing.

But still, in those passages Jesus is giving a message for now here in this present world because many people are lost now.

The key is "lost" because people are not really evil but just lost in this wicked world.

 

[fredcaudle]

That was my point. That might have some truth to it because the human mind is wicked and thinks up such violent concepts.

Everybody getting saved is far from anything that I could have thought up without seeing it in the Bible.

It is a matter of faith and rightness and not a human thought. Fear and respect are far from being the same thing.

The "fear of God" means like not being afraid of doing a sin like lie, steal, cheat, etc., because we will reap as we sow, and it makes one weaker. That means like a child fearing a parent and not like fearing a tyrant violent torturer, because then God would be an abuser. I am not afraid of God.

God's truth does not ask for cowardice so I fear His anger but I am not afraid of His sound judgements.

Like I might well get violently punished and tortured by other people but not from our loving Father God. Yes, God does care about what you and me and everyone think about Him, and He cares about what we each say and do too.

The old drunken bum laying in a gutter will one day be a Prince of the most High except the lost soul does not know it, and neither does the people that scorn the guy (or gal). I never ever said Jesus lied at any time.

I have only said that Christianity has made mistakes in interpreting the scriptures. The human fear threat of torture (Hell) has no effect on me,

because I know better. Well Judgement Day will not be a complete picnic for everyone as some will need to be cleaned and purified by the lake of fire that save people's souls but even that is an undeserved and an unconditional blessing.

But still, in those passages Jesus is giving a message for now here in this present world because many people are lost now.

The key is "lost" because people are not really evil but just lost in this wicked world.

The verses below are Jesus' own words... your thread here has accused Jesus of lieing and for this you need to repent. You will say "man" wrote it, or "church doctrine" came up with it... etc. And you will reap the eternity you preach - and it won't be salvation.

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

 

[This_person]

The verses below are Jesus' own words... your thread here has accused Jesus of lieing and for this you need to repent. You will say "man" wrote it, or "church doctrine" came up with it... etc. And you will reap the eternity you preach - and it won't be salvation.

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Once again, Fred, Jimmy is better than the Bible - he knows where it's right, and where it's wrong:

There are large sections of the Bible that are untrue and some complete books of the Bible are fakes. ... persons put their shallow faith in the Bible and not in God. ... God is not in the Bible. ... I find it incredibly strengthening to see that the fake parts reveal the truth more precisely.

 

[fredcaudle]

Once again, Fred, Jimmy is better than the Bible - he knows where it's right, and where it's wrong:

I know... I was just sitting here praying that he would look into matters rather than being hard hearted.

We make significant and incredible choices today because we don't have to face "tomorrow" in our minds. Only we will face "tomorrow" and be held accountable to everything we thought and did in life. And people are constantly trying to escape this truth.

Keep encouraged...

 

[This_person]

I know... I was just sitting here praying that he would look into matters rather than being hard hearted.

We make significant and incredible choices today because we don't have to face "tomorrow" in our minds. Only we will face "tomorrow" and be held accountable to everything we thought and did in life. And people are constantly trying to escape this truth.

Keep encouraged...

It seems as though Jimmy has a lot of truth to escape, and he has. I fear his mental escape is a permanent condition. The way I personally believe in God, He will care for Jimmy as He would a child, or any other adled adult. Something snapped in Jimmy - whether it was the drugs, the alcohol, or just a weak mental capacity. I think it's called cognitive dissonance, but I'm not sure by any means. I actually pity him, but he makes it very hard to do so kindly.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

The verses below are Jesus' own words... your thread here has accused Jesus of lieing and for this you need to repent. You will say "man" wrote it, or "church doctrine" came up with it... etc. And you will reap the eternity you preach - and it won't be salvation.

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

He is talking about those that claim to be followers of His (Jesus Christ) and are not.

But none of that says the people will then be tortured and burned in a Hell.

The problem I see you making is that Jesus is not the Father God and so Jesus plainly tells us what the Father God does to His enemies link it HERE.

Human beings want to torture and burn others in their mystical Hell but our Father God has plainly said He will love His enemies and that is that.

Jesus is the way to the Father - so if one only makes it to Jesus then you have not made it all the way to the top.

The Father God is in charge and Jesus will do as He is told link HERE.

 

[fredcaudle]

He is talking about those that claim to be followers of His (Jesus Christ) and are not.

But none of that says the people will then be tortured and burned in a Hell.

The problem I see you making is that Jesus is not the Father God and so Jesus plainly tells us what the Father God does to His enemies link it HERE.

Human beings want to torture and burn others in their mystical Hell but our Father God has plainly said He will love His enemies and that is that.

Jesus is the way to the Father - so if one only makes it to Jesus then you have not made it all the way to the top.

The Father God is in charge and Jesus will do as He is told link HERE.

Oh well, you can't say you didn't have chances to repent and accept the Gospel.

Reply back with your foolishness... I'm moving on. This whole thread is man's foolishness trying to reach God by changing the gospel so that everyone can do their own thing - even JPC

 

[2ndAmendment]

Oh well, you can't say you didn't have chances to repent and accept the Gospel.

Reply back with your foolishness... I'm moving on. This whole thread is man's foolishness trying to reach God by changing the gospel so that everyone can do their own thing - even JPC

I suggested a long time ago that everyone totally ignore JPC. Don't reply to him at all in the hope that he will just go away. Very little he says has any merit; most is just his stupidity expressed. It is hard to ignore such stupidity, I know. And when his lies may deceive someone, then it is appropriate to tell them JPC is a liar and does not believe the Bible and leave it at that.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

I suggested a long time ago that everyone totally ignore JPC. Don't reply to him at all in the hope that he will just go away. Very little he says has any merit; most is just his stupidity expressed. It is hard to ignore such stupidity, I know. And when his lies may deceive someone, then it is appropriate to tell them JPC is a liar and does not believe the Bible and leave it at that.

That works for me.

We can all have separate beliefs and I only speak out for those that might want more.

Cheers.

 

[PsyOps]

I suggested a long time ago that everyone totally ignore JPC. Don't reply to him at all in the hope that he will just go away. Very little he says has any merit; most is just his stupidity expressed. It is hard to ignore such stupidity, I know. And when his lies may deceive someone, then it is appropriate to tell them JPC is a liar and does not believe the Bible and leave it at that.

I rather think of him like burning popcorn. Taking out of the microwave stops the burning, but doesn't get rid of the smell. Ignoring him stops the burning, but we are still left with that annoying smell. You can try to ignore it but it's still there. Maybe there is no good solution for some things.

 

[PsyOps]

That works for me.

We can all have separate beliefs and I only speak out for those that might want more.

Cheers.

Because I have to change my kid's diaper doesn't mean I want more of it. But I know I'm going to get it.