Gospel of Inclusion.

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

This has nothing to do with my point that believing in the truth requires any amount of effort.

Well you certainly are consistant - and I do like that.

When I said link HERE that it takes little effort to respect the truth then I mean that you are only respecting those that agree with your beliefs and your buddies and like that is no effort at all to cheer on your own band.

And sinners respect those that respect them because it takes no effort to love thy friends and respect those that share your own beliefs - your own truths even when the truths are violent or nasty or sinful.

The trick or challenge is to love thy enemies (like respect the enemy) even though their truths are different then your truths. Therefore give respect to those whom are considered as being wrong (having untruths).

It takes effort to respect those that are wrong, link HERE.

But actions don’t count more than faith. You can have all the good actions in the world, but without faith and belief in Christ your action mean nothing.

That parable of the "good Samaritan" said otherwise.

The high priest did not act on his faith while the Samaritan was acting on his human compassion.

Faith without works is dead, but in works without faith there is praise from God.

Jesus also said that lusting after someone is also adultery. So, just the thought of it is a sin.

The thought is sinful but the sinful thought in action is worse.

Was God being violent and abusive when He flooded the earth drowning every living being? Was God being violent and abusive when He used his power to defeat the Egyptians when the Hebrews were freed? Was God being violent and abusive when he used Moses to defeat the Amalekites? What about when God helped David defeat the Philistines? Was it violent, abusive and tortuous to allow his own son to die on the cross?

The violence and abuse are a functioning part of this world, so God makes ammends and He repents and He has regrets and His mistakes and His own guilt.

The fact that God has feelings is a big part of the reason that everyone gets saved in the end.

You know, with all of these things, you can call Bush (or anyone else) a liar and evil and but God has a larger purpose that I trust. My faith takes me way beyond what Bush or any other world leader does.

I see many people doing that of mis-using their faith to cover up the evils of this world.

Mis-using faith to pretend that the atrocities of the Bush administration are correct and righteous is what makes America into an infidel Country.

What?

When people believe lies and hypocrisies and accept the untruths as their beliefs, then it takes much effort for them to face the real truths.

Some hard truths are absolute but most truths are not.

 

[2ndAmendment]

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Faith without works is dead, but in works without faith there is praise from God. The thought is sinful but the sinful thought in action is worse.

Wrong. They are both sin and all sin carries the same consequence.

The violence and abuse are a functioning part of this world, so God makes ammends and He repents and He has regrets and His mistakes and His own guilt.

God never makes mistakes. You speak of God like He is a human. He is not. God is Holy. God has no guilt. It is true that God has expressed regret. For one, He regretted creating man to live so long (originally forever) that He shortened man's lifespan.

The fact that God has feelings is a big part of the reason that everyone gets saved in the end. I see many people doing that of mis-using their faith to cover up the evils of this world.

LIE!

Some hard truths are absolute but most truths are not.

Truth is absolute. It is not relative. It is humanism that makes truth relative and not absolute. Relative truth may or may not be Truth; Truth is always truth.

 

[~mellabella~]

Faith without works is dead, but in works without faith there is praise from God.

Where did you find this little nugget of bull?

 

[godsbutterfly]

Originally Posted by JPC sr


"Faith without works is dead, but in works without faith there is praise from God."

If that were true we would have God praising Satan! Surely no Faith in the works Satan does! Do you ever read what you write? That's too ludricous for words! Get a Clue!

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Faith without works is dead, but in works without faith there is praise from God.

Where did you find this little nugget of bull?

That "nugget" comes from the parable of the righteous Samaritan link it HERE.

The Samaritans link HERE were examples of sinners and people that did not have the truths of God but that Samaritan showed himself righteous by his actions without true faith.

Thus Jesus told in that parable that a person's rightful works is what defines the person before man and God.

 

[camily]

That "nugget" comes from the parable of the righteous Samaritan link it HERE.

The Samaritans link HERE were examples of sinners and people that did not have the truths of God but that Samaritan showed himself righteous by his actions without true faith.

Thus Jesus told in that parable that a person's rightful works is what defines the person before man and God.

The Parable of the Good Samaritan
25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[c]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[d]"

28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

29But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"

30In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. 35The next day he took out two silver coins[e] and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.'

36"Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?"

37The expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him."
Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise."
That is describing who a neighbor is. Read 25-28. That is the true answer.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

If that were true we would have God praising Satan! Surely no Faith in the works Satan does! Do you ever read what you write? That's too ludricous for words! Get a Clue!

The Apostle Paul did say that Satan's work would save the sinner on Judgement Day link HERE,

and that is the point of this whole thread - that everything works for the salvation of all.

Even the Devil gets saved in the end.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

The Parable of the Good Samaritan
25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[c]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[d]"

28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

29But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"

30In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. 35The next day he took out two silver coins[e] and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.'

36"Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?"

37The expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him."
Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise."
That is describing who a neighbor is. Read 25-28. That is the true answer.

Amen sister C.

Faith without works is dead, and Jesus' parable of the righteous Samaritan praises the Godly works done by one of wrong beliefs.

 

[camily]

Amen sister C.

Faith without works is dead, and Jesus' parable of the righteous Samaritan praises the Godly works done by one of wrong beliefs.

Faith without works is dead, but you won't get to heaven on works alone. He said the Samaritan helped the man, he didn't say the samaritian was saved.

 

[godsbutterfly]

The Apostle Paul did say that Satan's work would save the sinner on Judgement Day link HERE,

and that is the point of this whole thread - that everything works for the salvation of all.

Even the Devil gets saved in the end.

That is not what it says. It says that a man who sleeps with his father's wife (you know - like probably his own mother) should have his flesh destroyed by Satan so he - the man - NOT Satan - can be saved.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Faith without works is dead, but you won't get to heaven on works alone. He said the Samaritan helped the man, he didn't say the samaritian was saved.

That is mixing up Jesus actual teaching about being saved now in this present world - for that wrong and useless message of being saved after death.

Refer to post #1 of this thread.

Jesus message is salvation now and the Samaritan saved the man that was robbed and left as half dead.

The Samaritan was not trying to save himself for "Heaven", but the injured victim of crime was the one that got saved.

Jesus tells us to save people now in this world - save people from violence, injustices and pain in this world now, and not after death.

Could we not immagine the Priest that got there before the Samaritan arrived and the Priest asking or telling the guy to have faith and believe and be saved after death while leaving the man half dead in the ditch.

Because the faithful Priest had no works and had the wrong message too.

The Samaritan gave no message but had actions more powerful then words and Jesus praised the righteous Samaritan for his works without faith.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

That is not what it says. It says that a man who sleeps with his father's wife (you know - like probably his own mother) should have his flesh destroyed by Satan so he - the man - NOT Satan - can be saved.

Yes, I see that.

The point was that Satan is working the savation of that man at Paul's instruction shows.

Therefore even Satan is doing works for the salvation of mankind.

I put the last part about even the Devil getting saved just because I say people need to know that truth too.

 

[2ndAmendment]

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and that is the point of this whole thread - that everything works for the salvation of all.

Even the Devil gets saved in the end.

Lies!!!

 

[2ndAmendment]

The Apostle Paul did say that Satan's work would save the sinner on Judgement Day link HERE,

1 Corinthians 5
Immorality Rebuked
1It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father's wife.

2You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.

3For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present.

4In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus,

5I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6Your boasting is not good Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough?

7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed.

8Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;

10I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world.

11But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a one.

12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?

13But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.

Context is everything. JPC, this is one reason you were rebuked from the pulpit not once but twice.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Context is everything. JPC, this is one reason you were rebuked from the pulpit not once but twice.

The context does not change anything I said in my post so I am still right and correct.

Plus the Bible link I gave does give anyone full access to the entire Bible if they want or need it.

Plus I get rebuked here too and it does not work because I am right.

 

[This_person]

Therefore even Satan is doing works for the salvation of mankind.

Wow.

 

[~mellabella~]

The context does not change anything I said in my post so I am still right and correct.

Plus the Bible link I gave does give anyone full access to the entire Bible if they want or need it.

Plus I get rebuked here too and it does not work because I am right.

You are WRONG. And the reason you get rebuked daily-no make that hourly- is being you are preaching untruths. And let me tell you this, if anyone fails to come to Christ because of your lies and deceit, then their blood is on your hands JPC. And I can only pray that you don't learn that the hard way.

 

[2ndAmendment]

The context does not change anything I said in my post so I am still right and correct.

Plus the Bible link I gave does give anyone full access to the entire Bible if they want or need it.

Plus I get rebuked here too and it does not work because I am right.

You are right only in your own mind. You truly need help.

Do you have anyone that really loves you? Not out of Christian compassion or because they feel sorry for you, but someone that really loves you? If you do, you need to ask them to have you committed.

 

[~mellabella~]

you need to ask them to have you committed.

ouchies!

 

[This_person]

ouchies!

Maybe, but I think we all believe it to be true, to some degree, for him.

It's really just sad.