Govt Work at Home May Be Over

SamSpade

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We moved into our new HQ at a little after COVID started. I run the 24/7 Emergency Operations Center, so we have to report to work. Our building has been empty and than 20% occupied since COVID restrictions were lifted. We have people who moved out of the NCR "teleworking" and was collecting DC pay in low cost of living areas. Some have been caught and are now getting their pay garnished for I'e seen up to $700 a pay period. I see many offices with boxes from the move 5yrs ago still unpacked. Time to get back to work!

My brother who works for DHS has not set foot in his building since the start of COVID and moved to Texas to telework. Now he's freaking out since adminstartion is saying get back to the office., I love it! Plus I just sold my rental house that he was living in for the last 10yrs.
We were just discussing this whole issue in one of our meetings today - and we mentioned we've been teleworking since 2015.
It had absolutely nothing to do with COVID - it was a space saving decision, since we were adding new agencies to an already overcrowded building.

My sister has been working at the same job for over twenty years - from the privacy of her home office. It's a small company and their "product" is electronic - so wasting money on an brick and mortar office would be stupid.

Most of the numbers cited by people like Joni Ernst are at best distortions - but otherwise - just wrong. The overwhelming majority of most federal workers are ineligible for telework - ever. For example, the 6% figure cited comes from an ONLINE SURVEY at Federal News Network where self-selecting respondents described their situation and they got 6338 responses. A survey made up of people clicking on a website. I don't need to tell you - that kind of statistic is less than worthless.

Critics of Ernst’s report are quick to point to a report on telework published by the White House Office of Management and Budget in August. According to this report, roughly half of the federal workforce is not even eligible for telework or remote work and therefore must report to work in person.

The OMB report states, “As of May 2024, approximately 50 percent of federal workers worked every day in roles that are not eligible for telework, including those who work onsite providing healthcare to our veterans, inspecting our food supply, and managing Federal natural resources. At the same time, telework-eligible personnel spent approximately 60 percent of regular, working hours in-person, at agency-assigned job sites.”



So - anything else? Yeah

The OMB report also includes these figures:
The federal government employed 2.28 million civilian personnel.
  • Of these 2.28 million personnel, the majority – 1.2 million or 54% – worked fully on-site,
    as their jobs require them to be physically present during all working hours.
  • The remaining 1.1 million or 46.4% of civilian personnel were telework-eligible.
  • Of the total 2.28 million personnel, 228 thousand or 10% of civilian personnel were in
    remote positions where there was no expectation that they worked in-person on any
    regular or recurring basis.
  • Among all federal employees, excluding remote workers that do not have a work-site to
    report to, 79.4% of regular, working hours were spent in-person.
  • Among the subset of federal workers that are telework-eligible, excluding remote
    workers, 61.2% of regular, working hours were spent in-person.

Bear in mind - "teleworking" is distinctly DIFFERENT from "remote working". Remote work means, away from the office, at all times. Teleworking means a hybrid of in person and at home work. A fraction telework - meaning they do report in person at least part of their pay period if not most.
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My thoughts are THIS -

If the problem IS - that you have slacking employees not doing their work - if you DON'T HAVE THE MEANS - or the will - to deal with them when they are full time in person, bringing them all back into the office won't do you any good. I've been with the federal government since the 80's - there have been people who are lazy and don't work hard before we even had computers or the Internet. And they got away with it, because no one ever did anything about it. If your objection is that people are being non-productive by being at home - well the ones who WORK are - but there will always be those who don't AS LONG AS the agency lacks to will to DO something.
 

PeoplesElbow

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We moved into our new HQ at a little after COVID started. I run the 24/7 Emergency Operations Center, so we have to report to work. Our building has been empty and than 20% occupied since COVID restrictions were lifted. We have people who moved out of the NCR "teleworking" and was collecting DC pay in low cost of living areas. Some have been caught and are now getting their pay garnished for I'e seen up to $700 a pay period. I see many offices with boxes from the move 5yrs ago still unpacked. Time to get back to work!

My brother who works for DHS has not set foot in his building since the start of COVID and moved to Texas to telework. Now he's freaking out since adminstartion is saying get back to the office., I love it! Plus I just sold my rental house that he was living in for the last 10yrs.
I know several people that some how got away with working from hundreds of miles away permanently. One is freaking out, its pretty funny. I really don't want those people back "in the office" though because they will call more meetings, and get involved in things simply to be involved and make my life more difficult. Working on-site has been so much better with a reduction in traffic, over crowded buildings back under capacity, etc. Teams meetings where I can just let it run in the background and do something else have made me more productive than sitting through a 2 hour meeting just to space out when people that like to hear themselves talk ramble on.
 

SamSpade

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I know several people that some how got away with working from hundreds of miles away permanently. One is freaking out, its pretty funny. I really don't want those people back "in the office" though because they will call more meetings, and get involved in things simply to be involved and make my life more difficult. Working on-site has been so much better with a reduction in traffic, over crowded buildings back under capacity, etc. Teams meetings where I can just let it run in the background and do something else have made me more productive than sitting through a 2 hour meeting just to space out when people that like to hear themselves talk ramble on.
I’ve done that a lot, with Teams - sometimes work on THE VERY THING we’re talking about at the meeting - whereas previously I just sit there waiting for it to end after I’ve spoken my two minutes worth. Before we went telework I would prefer attending electronically if possible. In most business meetings, if you’re not one of the five people talking - you’re just sitting.
 

glhs837

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I know several people that some how got away with working from hundreds of miles away permanently. One is freaking out, its pretty funny. I really don't want those people back "in the office" though because they will call more meetings, and get involved in things simply to be involved and make my life more difficult. Working on-site has been so much better with a reduction in traffic, over crowded buildings back under capacity, etc. Teams meetings where I can just let it run in the background and do something else have made me more productive than sitting through a 2 hour meeting just to space out when people that like to hear themselves talk ramble on.

We have three remote workers. One in FL, the other in PA, not sure where the third is. Pretty sure all three would just bail. One came to us from Lockheed, and he would go back to them. and would, he lived here for three years and his wife despised it. And it would be our loss, guys one of the best at what he does. The other two are retired from govt and military service and dont need the money. All three are stellar and are always available. Rest of us have telework available, and how much varies. I'm two days in, three out unless I have anything that needs me on base.
 
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  • Among all federal employees, excluding remote workers that do not have a work-site to
    report to, 79.4% of regular, working hours were spent in-person.
  • Among the subset of federal workers that are telework-eligible, excluding remote
    workers, 61.2% of regular, working hours were spent in-person.
Calling :bs: on these numbers...

If workers DO NOT have a place to go for in-person work, then where are they spending these 80% of their working hours?

Of the dozen or so government workers that I personally know, only 1 of them spends more than 1 day a week going to in-person work.

EDIT: I think there will be a bit of blow back if in-person work in mandated. For instance, I am quite sure there are a lot (not a majority, but quite a few) of these remote teleworkers that are scamming. Either by drawing locality pay that is undeserved OR working 2 jobs without reporting it. Serious issues for those people! Besides that, I am sure there will be a lot of people who decide to retire or even quit due to the "hardship" of having to actually go into work :bawl:Regardless, at least this will free up some positions that others can advance in to.
 
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PeoplesElbow

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Calling :bs: on these numbers...

If workers DO NOT have a place to go for in-person work, then where are they spending these 80% of their working hours?

Of the dozen or so government workers that I personally know, only 1 of them spends more than 1 day a week going to in-person work.

EDIT: I think there will be a bit of blow back if in-person work in mandated. For instance, I am quite sure there are a lot (not a majority, but quite a few) of these remote teleworkers that are scamming. Either by drawing locality pay that is undeserved OR working 2 jobs without reporting it. Serious issues for those people! Besides that, I am sure there will be a lot of people who decide to retire or even quit due to the "hardship" of having to actually go into work :bawl:Regardless, at least this will free up some positions that others can advance in to.
There is a qualifier to that 80% number saying it excludes those workers with no office to go to.
 

PeoplesElbow

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Just curious what people's hard-on is for not liking the idea that people can telework?

I've seen the "not fair to those who can't" but that sounds like some whiny Democrat crap to me.....it's not fair Bob makes more than Betty.....

As I've said many times I spend 95% of my hours in the office and I simply don't want all those people back in the office.
 

DaSDGuy

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Just curious what people's hard-on is for not liking the idea that people can telework?

I've seen the "not fair to those who can't" but that sounds like some whiny Democrat crap to me.....it's not fair Bob makes more than Betty.....

As I've said many times I spend 95% of my hours in the office and I simply don't want all those people back in the office.
Agree. I have the telework option myself and my program has increased efficiency and production because most of the people are teleworking. Why is that? No 1-1.5 hour BS sessions every morning before actually getting to work. 1-2 hour meetings now reduced to 30-45 minutes on MS Teams, during which I can listen to what is being said while working on a separate monitor. Meanwhile my office space has been converted to the "hotel" pool. I no longer have a desk to go to because it no longer exists. I will gladly return to an office space full time when I get an office space full time. And remember, the entire program will need full time spaces too. We are small, only 18 people, but try and get 18 desks assigned full time. I'm waiting ...
 

PeoplesElbow

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Agree. I have the telework option myself and my program has increased efficiency and production because most of the people are teleworking. Why is that? No 1-1.5 hour BS sessions every morning before actually getting to work. 1-2 hour meetings now reduced to 30-45 minutes on MS Teams, during which I can listen to what is being said while working on a separate monitor. Meanwhile my office space has been converted to the "hotel" pool. I no longer have a desk to go to because it no longer exists. I will gladly return to an office space full time when I get an office space full time. And remember, the entire program will need full time spaces too. We are small, only 18 people, but try and get 18 desks assigned full time. I'm waiting ...
From what I understand the base is "out of phone numbers" and doesn't want to pony up the money required to get another exchange so there were people without a phone. I was moving years ago and someone was freaking out that I put in an order to transfer my number to my new space.
 

Grumpy

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Agree. I have the telework option myself and my program has increased efficiency and production because most of the people are teleworking. Why is that? No 1-1.5 hour BS sessions every morning before actually getting to work. 1-2 hour meetings now reduced to 30-45 minutes on MS Teams, during which I can listen to what is being said while working on a separate monitor. Meanwhile my office space has been converted to the "hotel" pool. I no longer have a desk to go to because it no longer exists. I will gladly return to an office space full time when I get an office space full time. And remember, the entire program will need full time spaces too. We are small, only 18 people, but try and get 18 desks assigned full time. I'm waiting ...
Agree...lost my office also and my whole area(floor) has been turned into a 'hotel' pool
 
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If I may ...
For your consideration ...


Calling :bs: on these numbers...

If workers DO NOT have a place to go for in-person work, then where are they spending these 80% of their working hours?

Of the dozen or so government workers that I personally know, only 1 of them spends more than 1 day a week going to in-person work.

EDIT: I think there will be a bit of blow back if in-person work in mandated. For instance, I am quite sure there are a lot (not a majority, but quite a few) of these remote teleworkers that are scamming. Either by drawing locality pay that is undeserved OR working 2 jobs without reporting it. Serious issues for those people! Besides that, I am sure there will be a lot of people who decide to retire or even quit due to the "hardship" of having to actually go into work :bawl:Regardless, at least this will free up some positions that others can advance in to.

For the class:

Here are some real numbers of very low building utilization percentages ...

Total seating capacity for all listed HQ's = 38,433. Actual occupancy usage total for all HQ's = 2,759. Which is an overall occupancy rate of 7.17%. Which means that about 92.83% of federal workers did not go to their offices. 92%, did not go to their offices!!! That is super crazy.

But just think of the economic revitalization of downtown DC with just those 38 thousand plus returning to their offices? In addition, I'm guessing that a whole bunch of those work from home people that bought newer/new low mpg cars/SUV's/trucks/EV's while skimming from home, will be traded in for better gas mileage vehicles. It's an economic win all around.

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DaSDGuy

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For your consideration ...




For the class:

Here are some real numbers of very low building utilization percentages ...

Total seating capacity for all listed HQ's = 38,433. Actual occupancy usage total for all HQ's = 2,759. Which is an overall occupancy rate of 7.17%. Which means that about 92.83% of federal workers did not go to their offices. 92%, did not go to their offices!!! That is super crazy.

But just think of the economic revitalization of downtown DC with just those 38 thousand plus returning to their offices? In addition, I'm guessing that a whole bunch of those work from home people that bought newer/new low mpg cars/SUV's/trucks/EV's while skimming from home, will be traded in for better gas mileage vehicles. It's an economic win all around.

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For the class: Public Buildings Reform Board. It's mandated to identify opportunities for the Government to reduce significantly its inventory of civilian real property and reduce costs to the Government.

So instead of trying to fill those spaces as you desire, they are mandated to reduce the amount of spaces and their associated costs. Sounds like an even better economic win for the US taxpayers.
 
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