Hell

[Marie]

Erroneous Views of Hell

(1) The second chance view – After death there is still a way to escape hell.
Answer: “It is appointed unto men once to die and after that the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27).
(2) Universalism – All are eternally saved.
Answer: It denies the truth of salvation through Christ which means that a person decides to either trust in Christ or else he/she rejects Christ and goes to hell (John 3:16;3:36).
(3) Annihilationism – Hell means a person dies like an animal – ceases to exist.
Answer: It denies the resurrection of the unsaved (John 5:28, etc. – see above). It denies conscious torment (see above).
Objections to the Biblical View of Hell

(1) A loving God would not send people to a horrible hell.
Response: God is just (Romans 2:11).

• God has provided the way of salvation to all (John 3:16,17; 2 Corinthians 5:14,15; 1 Timothy 2:6; 4:10; Titus 2:11; 2 Peter 3:9).
• Even those who haven’t heard of Christ are accountable for God’s revelation in nature (Romans 1:20). God will seek those who seek Him (Matthew 7:7; Luke 19:10).
• Therefore God doesn’t send people to hell, they choose it (Romans 1:18,21,25).

(2) Hell is too severe a punishment for man’s sin.
Response: God is holy-perfect (1 Peter 1:14,15).

• Sin is willful opposition to God our creator (Romans 1:18-32).
• Our sin does merit hell (Romans 1:32; 2:2,5,6).
• What is unfair and amazing is that Christ died for our sin and freely offers salvation to all (Romans 2:4; 3:22-24; 4:7,8; 5:8,9).

bible.org: What the Bible Says About Hell


H7585

<DIR>שׁאל / שׁאול
she'ôl
</DIR>BDB Definition:
<DIR>1) sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit
<DIR>1a) the underworld
1b) Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
<DIR>1b1) place of no return
1b2) without praise of God
1b3) wicked sent there for punishment
1b4) righteous not abandoned to it
1b5) of the place of exile (figuratively)
1b6) of extreme degradation in sin

</DIR></DIR></DIR>Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H7592
Same Word by TWOT Number: 2303c

H7845

<DIR>שׁחת
shachath
</DIR>BDB Definition:
<DIR>1) pit, destruction, grave
<DIR>1a) pit (for catching lions)
1b) pit (of Hell)
</DIR></DIR>Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H7743
Same Word by TWOT Number: 2343.1c, 2370d

G1067

γέεννα
geenna
gheh'-en-nah
Of Hebrew origin ([H1516] and [H2011]); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.

G5020

ταρταρόω
tartaroō
tar-tar-o'-o
From ΤάρταροςTartaros̄ (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment: - cast down to hell.
<DIR><DIR>G86

<DIR>ᾅδης
hadēs
</DIR>Thayer Definition:
<DIR>1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell
</DIR>Part of Speech: noun proper locative
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G1 (as negative particle) and G1492
Citing in TDNT: 1:146, 22





</DIR></DIR>Hell - Does the Bible teach that there is a place of Eternal Torment?

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Erroneous Views of Hell

(1) The second chance view – After death there is still a way to escape hell.
Answer: “It is appointed unto men once to die and after that the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27).

That second chance is what is meant by "the judgement".

That judgement is what is meant by the second chance.

(2) Universalism – All are eternally saved.
Answer: It denies the truth of salvation through Christ which means that a person decides to either trust in Christ or else he/she rejects Christ and goes to hell (John 3:16;3:36).

That is putting a condition when it is unconditional.

And it puts a punishment when the penalty is already paid in full.

(1) A loving God would not send people to a horrible hell.
Response: God is just (Romans 2:11).

• God has provided the way of salvation to all (John 3:16,17; 2 Corinthians 5:14,15; 1 Timothy 2:6; 4:10; Titus 2:11; 2 Peter 3:9).
• Even those who haven’t heard of Christ are accountable for God’s revelation in nature (Romans 1:20). God will seek those who seek Him (Matthew 7:7; Luke 19:10).
• Therefore God doesn’t send people to hell, they choose it (Romans 1:18,21,25).

Burning people in Hell for all eternity based on anything is not justice at all.

It would be called an act of a monster that only pretends to be a loving Father God.

Hell - Does the Bible teach that there is a place of Eternal Torment? [Link]

The word "Hades" comes from the Greek language and the Greek God called Hades link HERE and the notion of "Hell" came from that same place.

Jesus taught us God's way when He said to love our enemies link HERE and not to burn them.

Therefore Jesus and God does not do as the Greeks claim.

 

[Starman3000m]

That second chance is what is meant by "the judgement".

That judgement is what is meant by the second chance. That is putting a condition when it is unconditional.

And it puts a punishment when the penalty is already paid in full. Burning people in Hell for all eternity based on anything is not justice at all.

It would be called an act of a monster that only pretends to be a loving Father God. The word "Hades" comes from the Greek language and the Greek God called Hades link HERE and the notion of "Hell" came from that same place.

Jesus taught us God's way when He said to love our enemies link HERE and not to burn them.

Therefore Jesus and God does not do as the Greeks claim.

The Judgment brings about the second death:

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

Also reference:

Rv:2:11: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Rv:20:6: Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rv:20:14: And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Judgement Day is when all mankind will be brought unto account.
Yes, every knee shall bow and every tongue confess the Lordship of Yeshua at that time, but then the division occurs for those who rejected Yeshua and whose names were blotted out of the Lamb's Book of Life.

Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 10:32)

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. (Revelation 3:5)


Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. (Revelation 3:20)

God Did For Mankind What Abraham Was Going To Do For God.

 

[Xaquin44]

Hell: A pretty good Squirrel Nut Zippers song.

 

[Marie]

That second chance is what is meant by "the judgement".

That judgement is what is meant by the second chance. That is putting a condition when it is unconditional.

And it puts a punishment when the penalty is already paid in full. Burning people in Hell for all eternity based on anything is not justice at all.

It would be called an act of a monster that only pretends to be a loving Father God. The word "Hades" comes from the Greek language and the Greek God called Hades link HERE and the notion of "Hell" came from that same place.

Jesus taught us God's way when He said to love our enemies link HERE and not to burn them.

Therefore Jesus and God does not do as the Greeks claim.

The Doctrine Of A Second Chance
Thomas Allen Robertson, Mclean, Texas
The doctrine of a second chance is one of the most alluring and attractive heresies offered to a gullible public by the "Jehovah's Witnesses" cult. They teach that Christ died that men might have a second chance at salvation beyond the grace. "Pastor" Russell wrote, "Those who do not receive a full knowledge and, by faith, an enjoyment of this favor of God in the present time (and such are the great majority, including children and heathen) will assuredly have these privileges in the next age, or "world to come," the dispensation or age to follow the present. To this end, "all that are in their graves . . . shall come forth." (Studies in the Scriptures, Series 1, pp. 129-130) When in 1872 I came to examine the subject of Restitution from the standpoint of the ransom price given by our Lord Jesus for Adam, and consequently for all lost in Adam, it settled the matter of restitution completely, and gave me the fullest assurance that ALL must come forth from their graves and be brought to a clear knowledge of the Truth, and to a full opportunity to gain everlasting life through Christ." (Autobiography, as quoted in Studies in the Scriptures, Series 7, pp. 53, 54) And "Judge" Rutherford wrote, "Then the mighty Executive Officer of Jehovah God, he who holds the keys, shall open the doors of hell and death, and bring forth the countless millions that are there, that they may be given the truth and have their trial, a full opportunity to be reconciled to God and to live forever." (Reconciliation, p. 311) During that time, "There will be none there to influence him to disobey. If he willfully disobeys the law, however, he shall suffer. It seems clear from the Scriptures that the Lord will grant him a hundred years to prove whether he will or will not try to do right." (Ibid, p. 322) Such a theory is so foolish and untaught in Scripture as to hardly deserve an answer.
The Bible teaches that, "He that believeth not is condemned already." (John 3:18) "Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." (Luke 13:3) "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment." (Heb. 9:27) This language is definite; the only thing left after death is the judgment. There is no room here for any kind of a second chance. When Christ comes again it will be "in flaming fire, taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ." (II Thess. 1:8) The Bible further teaches that salvation is offered now, and asks the question, "How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation." (Heb. 2:3) Christ said, "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still; and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still; and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still; and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give to every man according to his work shall be." (Rev. 22:11, 12) When Christ comes again it will be to reward every man according to his works—not to give him a second chance to amend or change or modify those works. Whatever condition a man is in when the Lord comes, that is the condition in which he will be judged. And by that judgment his eternal destiny is fixed. There will be no second chance for anybody.

 

[Starman3000m]

The Doctrine Of A Second Chance
Thomas Allen Robertson, Mclean, Texas
The doctrine of a second chance is one of the most alluring and attractive heresies offered to a gullible public by the "Jehovah's Witnesses" cult. They teach that Christ died that men might have a second chance at salvation beyond the grace. "Pastor" Russell wrote, "Those who do not receive a full knowledge and, by faith, an enjoyment of this favor of God in the present time (and such are the great majority, including children and heathen) will assuredly have these privileges in the next age, or "world to come," the dispensation or age to follow the present. To this end, "all that are in their graves . . . shall come forth." (Studies in the Scriptures, Series 1, pp. 129-130) When in 1872 I came to examine the subject of Restitution from the standpoint of the ransom price given by our Lord Jesus for Adam, and consequently for all lost in Adam, it settled the matter of restitution completely, and gave me the fullest assurance that ALL must come forth from their graves and be brought to a clear knowledge of the Truth, and to a full opportunity to gain everlasting life through Christ." (Autobiography, as quoted in Studies in the Scriptures, Series 7, pp. 53, 54) And "Judge" Rutherford wrote, "Then the mighty Executive Officer of Jehovah God, he who holds the keys, shall open the doors of hell and death, and bring forth the countless millions that are there, that they may be given the truth and have their trial, a full opportunity to be reconciled to God and to live forever." (Reconciliation, p. 311) During that time, "There will be none there to influence him to disobey. If he willfully disobeys the law, however, he shall suffer. It seems clear from the Scriptures that the Lord will grant him a hundred years to prove whether he will or will not try to do right." (Ibid, p. 322) Such a theory is so foolish and untaught in Scripture as to hardly deserve an answer.
The Bible teaches that, "He that believeth not is condemned already." (John 3:18) "Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." (Luke 13:3) "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment." (Heb. 9:27) This language is definite; the only thing left after death is the judgment. There is no room here for any kind of a second chance. When Christ comes again it will be "in flaming fire, taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ." (II Thess. 1:8) The Bible further teaches that salvation is offered now, and asks the question, "How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation." (Heb. 2:3) Christ said, "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still; and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still; and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still; and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give to every man according to his work shall be." (Rev. 22:11, 12) When Christ comes again it will be to reward every man according to his works—not to give him a second chance to amend or change or modify those works. Whatever condition a man is in when the Lord comes, that is the condition in which he will be judged. And by that judgment his eternal destiny is fixed. There will be no second chance for anybody.

The Jehovah's Witnesses (JW) is another false doctrine which uses quotes from the Bible in an out-of context presentation. Like all other pseudo-Christian cults, their leadership indoctrinates followers with supplemental teachings that supersede the complete context of the New Testament.

According to the group, God's real name is exclusively "Jehovah", thus - Jehovah's Witnesses.
The JW doctrine teaches that there is no Hell. They claim that only 144,000 of their upmost faithful members of their group will go to the celestial heaven. They misconstrue the Biblical teaching of 144,000 found in the Book of Revelation which actually refers to the total number of Jews that will be a witness for Yeshua during the end times. (12,000 from each of the 12 tribes)
Here is what the Holy Bible states in the New Testament:
"And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel." (Revelation 7:4)

According to the JW doctrine, all other members who are not fortunate to go to the celestial Kingdom will still get to live forever - but in a new paradise here on earth. Salvation is earned by works and by faithfully knocking on doors and spreading their doctrinal teachings and selling/distributing publications from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. People who did not accept the JW religion will be annihilated into extinction by Jehovah as there will be no Hell nor eternal punishment, according to their belief.

Like Mormonism, members of the JW society are taught that all other religions are false. JW members are to separate themselves from non-believing friends and family members. JW members are not to be involved in patriotic duties such as voting, serving on a jury nor serving in the military. The most widely known characteristic of this group is that Jehovah's Witnesses are prohibited from giving blood transfusions even if it means that doing so would save the life of a family member.

BTW: In regard to Yeshua, the JW doctrine teaches that He was really the "archangel Michael". Again, this shows how a group can say they believe in Yeshua and yet not be referring to the Yeshua of the Biblical New Testament.

 

[Hello6]

Wow, this thread is actually hell. Good job.

 

[Marie]

Eternal Punishment By Pink

http://www.mountzion.org/PDFs/epun.pdf

 

[transam]

WoW ... you know a lot about hell ... I will add more when I get there ...

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

The Doctrine Of A Second Chance
Thomas Allen Robertson, Mclean, Texas
The doctrine of a second chance is one of the most alluring and attractive heresies offered to a gullible public by the "Jehovah's Witnesses" cult.

http://www.mountzion.org/PDFs/epun.pdf

You give the preachings and beliefs of others,

but I do not see any personal beliefs of Marie's.

I know already the horrid beliefs of the Orthodox Christians and I already showed it to be dead wrong.

It is not honest to say that other people (preachers) speak for you because we all die alone.

This question is what does Marie believe - that human beings are being tormented in a fire Hell by our loving Father God?

That Orthodox claim that Hell equals some form of "justice" by God is so far from the truth that it needs to be denounced in certain terms.

I say a very hard spanking of a child is abusive, to hang a prisoner is cruel punishment, to simply call a person nasty names is unloving and unGodly.

To believe in Hell is to believe in a cruel and vicious doctrine of extreme violence against people.

But for me to believe in everybody getting saved is believing in unconditional love link HERE.

 

[FerretRescue]

I still cannot belive that people think there is a actual hell. Where is the proof in this?

If there is a God and he is loving and forgving then why would he send people to hell to be tortured for all of eternity? For what? Other than the major killing, raping just because you ate meat on a friday or you cursed or had sex without being married?

Come on. Look around, show me proof there is a God.

 

[Kain99]

Jehovas Witnesses:

"Most unselfish Religion , Jehovas Witnesses. They think only 144,000 people are going to heaven. If you beleived that would you go door to door trying to get more converts? I'd be keeping that as a big secret! I hear there are only 8 seats left... SHUT UP!"

Kathleen Madigan

 

[toppick08]

I still cannot belive that people think there is a actual hell. Where is the proof in this?

If there is a God and he is loving and forgving then why would he send people to hell to be tortured for all of eternity? For what? Other than the major killing, raping just because you ate meat on a friday or you cursed or had sex without being married?

Come on. Look around, show me proof there is a God.

It's still not too late for you....

 

[FerretRescue]

It's still not too late for you....

hey I have an open mind and I am willing to listen but you have to give me something to believe in. Where is God now? Why are the head games?

With science proving everyday the wonders of the world and how they happen I cannot think of a man sitting on a throne in the "heavens" looking down upon us all. While if you do one thing bad you go into a pit of fire.

 

[toppick08]

hey I have an open mind and I am willing to listen but you have to give me something to believe in. Where is God now? Why are the head games?

With science proving everyday the wonders of the world and how they happen I cannot think of a man sitting on a throne in the "heavens" looking down upon us all. While if you do one thing bad you go into a pit of fire.

Do you have an open heart? That is what God wants. He talks to EVERYBODY through it. It's not our minds that trouble us, but our hearts. Just a suggestion, make your New Years resolution to read the Bible from start to finish. See if it does'nt answer some of your questions.

 

[FerretRescue]

Do you have an open heart? That is what God wants. He talks to EVERYBODY through it. It's not our minds that trouble us, but our hearts. Just a suggestion, make your New Years resolution to read the Bible from start to finish. See if it does'nt answer some of your questions.

I like to think I have an open heart. I have tried so many times to read the bible and I just dont get it. I guess I am just not smart enough to understand it.

 

[Radiant1]

With science proving everyday the wonders of the world and how they happen I cannot think of a man sitting on a throne in the "heavens" looking down upon us all. While if you do one thing bad you go into a pit of fire.

Think of God as the Intelligent Entity behind the big bang, or the Prime Mover. Biblical explanations of God are allegorical. He's not literally an old man in the sky on a throne.

Hell is reserved for those who do not repent of doing something they knew was wrong, meaning they aren't sorry for it. Most likely you feel bad when you screw someone over, right?

Just throwing some thoughts out there for you to ponder on.

 

[This_person]

I still cannot belive that people think there is a actual hell. Where is the proof in this?

If there is a God and he is loving and forgving then why would he send people to hell to be tortured for all of eternity? For what? Other than the major killing, raping just because you ate meat on a friday or you cursed or had sex without being married?

Come on. Look around, show me proof there is a God.

There Is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind (Hardcover)

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

"Most unselfish Religion , Jehovas Witnesses. They think only 144,000 people are going to heaven. If you beleived that would you go door to door trying to get more converts? I'd be keeping that as a big secret! I hear there are only 8 seats left... SHUT UP!"

Kathleen Madigan

That is not a fair representation of what the Jehovah Witnesses teach.

They teach the Kingdom of God to come on earth as it is in Heaven.

Therefore they teach the 144,000 will be ruling with Christ in Heaven while the rest of mankind are in the Kingdom of God on earth as an earthly paradise.

The Witnesses are over 6 million members and they expect all 6 million to enter the Kingdom on Judgement Day.

 

[toppick08]

I like to think I have an open heart. I have tried so many times to read the bible and I just dont get it. I guess I am just not smart enough to understand it.

Keep Reading it !! That's the Devil that says your not "smart" enough to understand it. You have to to wear your armor daily, because the Devil is relentless. He loves a doubter of the Gospel. That's his way of telling you your not a sinner and your own strength is enough to get you through life.
Ultimate lie !