Hell

[Kain99]

That is not a fair representation of what the Jehovah Witnesses teach.

They teach the Kingdom of God to come on earth as it is in Heaven.

Therefore they teach the 144,000 will be ruling with Christ in Heaven while the rest of mankind are in the Kingdom of God on earth as an earthly paradise.

The Witnesses are over 6 million members and they expect all 6 million to enter the Kingdom on Judgement Day.

"Jehovah's Witnesses teach that when they die they will be resurrected to life on earth, and that only the 144,000 will go to heaven. The Bible's teaching on where the saved go after death is so different from that of the men who formed the Jehovah's Witnesses' doctrines that you may find this chapter hard to accept."

"Answers To My Jehovah's Witness Friends" - Chapter 3

You have a different take on pretty much every fact known to man JPC.

My post was taken from the worlds funniest female stand up comedian.... While based on truth, it was a joke.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

"Jehovah's Witnesses teach that when they die they will be resurrected to life on earth, and that only the 144,000 will go to heaven. The Bible's teaching on where the saved go after death is so different from that of the men who formed the Jehovah's Witnesses' doctrines that you may find this chapter hard to accept."

"Answers To My Jehovah's Witness Friends" - Chapter 3

You have a different take on pretty much every fact known to man JPC.

My post was taken from the worlds funniest female stand up comedian.... While based on truth, it was a joke.

I must say that I do not find the false representation of a BIG world religion as being funny or as a joke.

And since it is a mis-representation then it is hard to claim it is based on "truth" - and thus not a joke for a respectable audience.

The Jehovah Witness website is not too well done but it is much more accurate then that link it HERE.

 

[This_person]

... and thus not a joke for a respectable audience.

And, thus, perfect for you.

 

[Kain99]

I must say that I do not find the false representation of a BIG world CULT as being funny or as a joke.

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JW leadership claims its victims by asserting itself to be the sole Christian religion and authority on the earth today, as well as God's mouthpiece or prophet. The Watchtower further disrupts families through its harsh and unbiblical interpretation of "disfellowshipping" and the practice of "shunning." Family members who are former JWs are labeled by Watchtower adherents as "apostates" and prevented from even social contact. Disfellowshipped or disassociated children, parents, and grandparents are kept from any type of communication with active members of the organization. Divorces are common within the sect when one member becomes disillusioned with Watchtower teaching and mind-control.

Not only has the name of this cult been changed time and again, but they also change their doctrines regularly -- between 1917 and 1928, they changed their doctrines 148 times! (Prior to 1931, Jehovah's Witnesses had also gone by the names of Millennial Dawn, People's Pulpit Association, The Brooklyn Tabernacle, and the International Bible Students Association.)


Historically, the JWs are best known for their practices of refusing: (1) to serve in the military; (2) to salute the flag; (3) to celebrate Christmas, birthdays, or other holidays; and (4) to give or to accept blood transfusions. the Watchtower has caused the deaths of many of its members throughout its history.

This is funny as shiat an you know it JPC!! Read on

Interestingly, vaccinations and organ transplants have now been acknowledged by the Watchtower as acceptable practices, contradicting their previous doctrinal position.

 

[mainman]

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JW leadership claims its victims by asserting itself to be the sole Christian religion and authority on the earth today, as well as God's mouthpiece or prophet. The Watchtower further disrupts families through its harsh and unbiblical interpretation of "disfellowshipping" and the practice of "shunning." Family members who are former JWs are labeled by Watchtower adherents as "apostates" and prevented from even social contact. Disfellowshipped or disassociated children, parents, and grandparents are kept from any type of communication with active members of the organization. Divorces are common within the sect when one member becomes disillusioned with Watchtower teaching and mind-control.

Not only has the name of this cult been changed time and again, but they also change their doctrines regularly -- between 1917 and 1928, they changed their doctrines 148 times! (Prior to 1931, Jehovah's Witnesses had also gone by the names of Millennial Dawn, People's Pulpit Association, The Brooklyn Tabernacle, and the International Bible Students Association.)


Historically, the JWs are best known for their practices of refusing: (1) to serve in the military; (2) to salute the flag; (3) to celebrate Christmas, birthdays, or other holidays; and (4) to give or to accept blood transfusions. the Watchtower has caused the deaths of many of its members throughout its history.

This is funny as shiat an you know it JPC!! Read on

Interestingly, vaccinations and organ transplants have now been acknowledged by the Watchtower as acceptable practices, contradicting their previous doctrinal position.

You said shiat in the religion forum...

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[Marie]

You give the preachings and beliefs of others,

but I do not see any personal beliefs of Marie's.

I know already the horrid beliefs of the Orthodox Christians and I already showed it to be dead wrong.

It is not honest to say that other people (preachers) speak for you because we all die alone.

This question is what does Marie believe - that human beings are being tormented in a fire Hell by our loving Father God?

That Orthodox claim that Hell equals some form of "justice" by God is so far from the truth that it needs to be denounced in certain terms.

I say a very hard spanking of a child is abusive, to hang a prisoner is cruel punishment, to simply call a person nasty names is unloving and unGodly.

To believe in Hell is to believe in a cruel and vicious doctrine of extreme violence against people.

But for me to believe in everybody getting saved is believing in unconditional love link HERE.

JPC,

You know what I believe and I wouldnt post anything from anyone that wasnt correct with my beliefs. What I posted was much more eloquant then I could have said and the first post was hebrew as well as Greeek definations of the words. I wanted to put it out there planely for you so its not just what I am saying.
What I found is the Univeralist, The JWS are the two CULTS that hold similar views to yourself thats important if you reconize them as cults!.
Have you looked up the 3 wills of God yet?

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

JPC,

You know what I believe and I wouldnt post anything from anyone that wasnt correct with my beliefs. What I posted was much more eloquant then I could have said and the first post was hebrew as well as Greeek definations of the words. I wanted to put it out there planely for you so its not just what I am saying.

Alright, I guess I can accept that.

What I found is the Univeralist, The JWS are the two CULTS that hold similar views to yourself thats important if you reconize them as cults!.

I do not see them as "cults" and I do not like that term any way.

Have you looked up the 3 wills of God yet?

No, I must have missed them.

 

[Marie]

hey I have an open mind and I am willing to listen but you have to give me something to believe in. Where is God now? Why are the head games?

With science proving everyday the wonders of the world and how they happen I cannot think of a man sitting on a throne in the "heavens" looking down upon us all. While if you do one thing bad you go into a pit of fire.

I recomend you reading Lee Strobels The Case For Faith
Lee is a Chicago Tribune investagative repoter and devoute athiest that turned Christian.
''Traveling more than 26,000 miles, Strobel sat down with scientists and science philosophers, asking them the tough questions he had as an atheist and forcing them to provide answers in everyday language that non-scientists can understand.''
“My conclusion,” said Strobel “is that science and faith are not at war. The truth is that when science is done right, it points toward God as the Creator of the universe and the Author of life.”




If you would like something from a athiest scientist turned Christian try
Irreducible Complexity and Michael Behe on Intelligent Design

Ex-Atheist.com. Christian Apologetics, Logic and Debate!

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

I like to think I have an open heart. I have tried so many times to read the bible and I just dont get it. I guess I am just not smart enough to understand it.

Everybody is smart enough to understand the Bible.

Just skip any difficult part and go from the beginning to the end.

Many of the difficult parts are explained in the middle or in the New Testiment part.

I like the old King James Bible with the "thee", "thou", "doeth", words in it.

It is a book written from a Father to His daughter when you read it.

 

[2ndAmendment]

That second chance is what is meant by "the judgement".

That judgement is what is meant by the second chance. That is putting a condition when it is unconditional.

And it puts a punishment when the penalty is already paid in full. Burning people in Hell for all eternity based on anything is not justice at all.

It would be called an act of a monster that only pretends to be a loving Father God. The word "Hades" comes from the Greek language and the Greek God called Hades link HERE and the notion of "Hell" came from that same place.

Jesus taught us God's way when He said to love our enemies link HERE and not to burn them.

Therefore Jesus and God does not do as the Greeks claim.

You are totally wrong again. The judgment is not a second chance. The judgment is when those that are already in God's kingdom observe those that did not accept Jesus as Savior and Lord and those that did not hear and chose to do harm rather than good, go to the lake of fire with satan. That is the judgment.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Hell: A pretty good Squirrel Nut Zippers song.

Just thought I'd let you know that when I am not posting back to you I am not being rude, you have gone to the "adding nothing so can be ignored" list along with a few others.

Bye.

 

[2ndAmendment]

You give the preachings and beliefs of others,

but I do not see any personal beliefs of Marie's.

I know already the horrid beliefs of the Orthodox Christians and I already showed it to be dead wrong.

It is not honest to say that other people (preachers) speak for you because we all die alone.

This question is what does Marie believe - that human beings are being tormented in a fire Hell by our loving Father God?

That Orthodox claim that Hell equals some form of "justice" by God is so far from the truth that it needs to be denounced in certain terms.

I say a very hard spanking of a child is abusive, to hang a prisoner is cruel punishment, to simply call a person nasty names is unloving and unGodly.

To believe in Hell is to believe in a cruel and vicious doctrine of extreme violence against people.

But for me to believe in everybody getting saved is believing in unconditional love link HERE.

You are a liar. Everyone does not get saved.

 

[2ndAmendment]

hey I have an open mind and I am willing to listen but you have to give me something to believe in. Where is God now? Why are the head games?

With science proving everyday the wonders of the world and how they happen I cannot think of a man sitting on a throne in the "heavens" looking down upon us all. While if you do one thing bad you go into a pit of fire.

And there is the fallacy in your statement. God is not a man.

Science has been "proving" the wonders of the world for centuries and has changed its "proofs" for centuries. Remember, the best scientists thought the earth was flat. The Bible said it was round. The best scientists thought that the Assyrians were a mythical people that only existed in the Bible until they found the Assyrian city of Nineveh where the Bible said it was.

The evidence of God is all around. I see it in the trees, stars, a baby's face, the wonder of life.

Science may some day clone a human. I expect that there are scientists trying right now. That will still not negate that God is.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I like to think I have an open heart. I have tried so many times to read the bible and I just dont get it. I guess I am just not smart enough to understand it.

I sympathize with you. I tried many times and failed too. My motives were wrong. The Bible is of the Spirit. You have to read it in faith or with an open heart truly seeking God. Then the pages of the Bible will be opened to you.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Think of God as the Intelligent Entity behind the big bang, or the Prime Mover. Biblical explanations of God are allegorical. He's not literally an old man in the sky on a throne.

Hell is reserved for those who do not repent of doing something they knew was wrong, meaning they aren't sorry for it. Most likely you feel bad when you screw someone over, right?

Just throwing some thoughts out there for you to ponder on.

Or not. I believe God made all things visible and invisible. I believe God made the heavens and the earth. I believe the account of creation; it took six days. I don't think it is all allegorical. I think when there are allegories, they are called out as parables or the text will say something to the effect that "the kingdom of heaven is like."

I think those that try to put God into the box of human understanding (big bang, etc) miss a lot. They miss the miraculous nature of God. They miss the power and majesty of God.

 

[2ndAmendment]

That is not a fair representation of what the Jehovah Witnesses teach.

They teach the Kingdom of God to come on earth as it is in Heaven.

Therefore they teach the 144,000 will be ruling with Christ in Heaven while the rest of mankind are in the Kingdom of God on earth as an earthly paradise.

The Witnesses are over 6 million members and they expect all 6 million to enter the Kingdom on Judgement Day.

Wrong again.

the WTB&TS teaches that only an elite group of Witnesses, known as "the 144,000," or the "anointed ones" are presently credited with Christ's righteousness. Only the 144,000 are born again and expect to reign with Christ in heaven. For the vast majority of remaining Jehovah's Witnesses, known as the "other sheep" or the "great crowd," the atoning sacrifice of Christ only provides a chance at eternal life on earth.

Jehovah's Witnesses : The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society

 

[2ndAmendment]

Everybody is smart enough to understand the Bible.

Just skip any difficult part and go from the beginning to the end.

Many of the difficult parts are explained in the middle or in the New Testiment part.

I like the old King James Bible with the "thee", "thou", "doeth", words in it.

It is a book written from a Father to His daughter when you read it.

Here. This is for you. :clue:

 

[FerretRescue]

And there is the fallacy in your statement. God is not a man.

Science has been "proving" the wonders of the world for centuries and has changed its "proofs" for centuries. Remember, the best scientists thought the earth was flat. The Bible said it was round. The best scientists thought that the Assyrians were a mythical people that only existed in the Bible until they found the Assyrian city of Nineveh where the Bible said it was.

The evidence of God is all around. I see it in the trees, stars, a baby's face, the wonder of life.

Science may some day clone a human. I expect that there are scientists trying right now. That will still not negate that God is.

but if God gets the credit for all the wonderful things, then why not the not so wonderful things? You know the old arguement of how can God let innocent people suffer, babies born to be crack addicts and so on.

Where is all the love? People can be so heartless. How did we all get so lost?

 

[Kain99]

but if God gets the credit for all the wonderful things, then why not the not so wonderful things? You know the old arguement of how can God let innocent people suffer, babies born to be crack addicts and so on.

Where is all the love? People can be so heartless. How did we all get so lost?

Thank God I beleive I Hell! Am am honestly able to attribute all horrors to evil...

 

[Pandora]

Thank God I beleive I Hell! Am am honestly able to attribute all horrors to evil...

huh?