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Living Waters said:
Sinners often accuse God of being unjust, because they assume that everyone will receive the same punishment in hell. God’s judgment, however, will be according to righteousness (Acts 17:31). This verse shows that there will be degrees of punishment. See also Mark 6:11.


2ndAmendment said:
There are no distinctions between sins. One sin is as bad as another. And all sin is deserving of the same consequence - death - separation for eternity from God - casting into the lake of fire. (Post.)
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SpriteZero

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I do not attribute God to anything bad.... I attribute Satan the father of all evil to the horrors of this earth.

Hope thats better.

I always believe that if you embrace God as goodness, then you must also embrace ( acknowledge) Satan as evil.

One can not exist without the other.

Where there is lack of faith in the heart, Satan is able to move in and gradually take over your soul. There can be not be "total emptiness", either you believe 100% or you dont beleive.

God creates all there is, he is goodness, he is love. God gave man free will.
God creates, man destroys. God does not jump in and prevent man from doing wrong, He continues to love man despite his failings and doubts.
Embracing the love and grace of God is what God wants, where Satan wants us to turn away from God and do wrong.
 
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2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
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Romans 3:21-31

21But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,

22even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

24being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;

25whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;

26for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

27Where then is boasting? It is excluded By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,

30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.

31Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.
Romans 6:16-22

16Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

17But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed,

18and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

19I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification.

20For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.

21Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death.

22But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life.

23For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

I have no idea what Living Waters is posting about.
Living Waters said:
Sinners often accuse God of being unjust, because they assume that everyone will receive the same punishment in hell. God’s judgment, however, will be according to righteousness (Acts 17:31). This verse shows that there will be degrees of punishment. See also Mark 6:11.
Neither of the verses referenced says what is posted in any way.
Acts 17: 31because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead."
Mark 6:11"Any place that does not receive you or listen to you, as you go out from there, shake the dust off the soles of your feet for a testimony against them."
 

Marie

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Attached is an interesting article on hell both what the Bible teaches and what men and Hollywood play it off as.
See attached!
Unregenerate men often hate to think about hell as much as they hate to think about God, the Cosmic Warden of hell. For those who are unregenerate, or not born from above by the blood of Jesus Christ, it is a ghastly topic to think through,
Even the Christian has a disdain for the doctrine of hell, and rightly so. He is certainly glad he is not going to hell. The sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross has delivered him from that awful fate, and he is outwardly joyful for that deliverance. Hell is not a common theme in which Christians choose for their local Bible study. When is the last time you thought deeply about hell? When is the last time the pastor of your church preached a series, or even one sermon, on the doctrine of hell? Certainly, it is not a popular topic.

Though many people deny the doctrine of hell who call themselves Christians, the Bible is filled with texts on the subject. We will look at many of them in this brief study.

Jesus taught that there was a real place called hell. He taught the reality of a literal holding place of the wicked. This doctrine surmised over 13% (or 1/6th) of his overall teaching in general. It would be fair and accurate to say that if Jesus were to pick six topics to preach upon in the entire course of his ministry while walking the earth, one of those six topics is the topic of a literal and real hell.

"Do you know where your going to, do you like the things that life is showing you? Where are you going to, do you know?" Diana Ross
 

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Marie

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Hell, What Is It Like?

<TABLE class=bg1 cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=4 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=bg1 width=500>Hell, What Is It Like? by David Wilkerson <TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Interestingly he states that the cross will be the biggest cause of anguish because of it's simplicty and freely given.
Lust that can never be quenched in an eternal body.


http://64.34.176.235/sermons/SID8183.mp3
<TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Scripture(s): Matthew 11:23, 2 Peter 2:17, 2 Thessalonians 1:9 </TD><TD class=bg1 align=right></TD></TR><TR><TD class=bg4 colSpan=2>Description: This is a very sobering message on the reality of hell. Barely any preachers these days would even dare to preach on this subject but how sad that falls from the new testament normal of hell as a normal doctrine taught and discussed. Jesus spoke of hell more then heaven, listen carefully and know that there is a eternal hell.
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Dougstermd

ORGASM DONOR
this is one hell of a fread. is there any entertainment for someone who cant prove that heaven or hell exsist?
 

Marie

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this is one hell of a fread. is there any entertainment for someone who cant prove that heaven or hell exsist?

Jesus spoke more about hell than heaven heres your proof, God cant lie! It's not one of his attributes also in all the recorded years of the Bible he never once did.
 

Marie

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Objections to Hell Dismissed

Objections.

It is urged that it cannot be consistent with the justice of God to inflict a really infinite penalty on such a creature as man. It is very obvious to remark on this subject: —
1. That we are incompetent judges of the penalty which sin deserves. We have no adequate apprehension of its inherent guilt, of the dignity of the person against whom it is committed, or of the extent of the evil which it is suited to produce. The proper end of punishment is retribution and prevention. What is necessary for that end, God only knows; and, therefore, the penalty which He imposes on sin is the only just measure of its ill desert.
2. If it be inconsistent with the justice of God that men should perish for their sins, then redemption is not a matter of grace, or undeserved mercy. Deliverance from an unjust penalty, is a matter of justice. Nothing, however, is plainer from the teaching of Scripture, and nothing is more universally and joyfully acknowledged by all Christians, than that the whole plan of redemption, the mission, the incarnation, and the sufferings and death of the Son of God for the salvation of sinners, is a wonderful exhibition of the love of God which passes knowledge. But if justice demand that all men should be saved, then salvation is a matter of justice; and then all the songs of gratitude and praise from the redeemed, whether in heaven or on earth, must at once cease.
3. It is often said that sin is an infinite evil because committed against a person of infinite dignity, and therefore deserves an infinite penalty. To this it is answered, that as sin is an act or state of a finite subject, it must of necessity be itself finite. Men are apt to involve themselves in contradictions when they attempt to reason about the infinite. The word is so vague and so comprehensive, and our ideas of what it is intended to express are so inadequate, that we are soon lost when we seek to make it a guide in forming our judgments. If the evil of a single sin, and that the smallest, lasts forever, it is in one sense an infinite evil, although in comparison with other sins, or with the whole mass of sin ever committed, it may appear a mere trifle. The guilt of sin is infinite in the sense that we can set no limits to its turpitude or to the evil which it is adapted to produce.
4. Relief on this subject is sought from the consideration that as the lost continue to sin forever they may justly be punished forever. To this, however, it is answered that the retributions of [879] eternity are threatened for the sins done in the body. This is true; nevertheless; it is also true, first, that sin in its nature is alienation and separation from God; and as God is the source of all holiness and happiness, separation from Him is of necessity the forfeiture of all good; secondly, that this separation is from its nature final and consequently involves endless sinfulness and misery. It is thus final, unless on the assumption of the undeserved and supernatural intervention of God as in the case of the redemption of man; and thirdly, it is also true that from the nature of the case “the carnal mind is death.” Degradation and misery are inseparably connected with sin. As long as rational creatures are sinful, they must be degraded and miserable. There is no law of nature more immutable than this. If men do not expect God to reverse the laws of nature to secure their exemption from wanton transgression of those laws, why should they expect Him to reverse the still more immutable laws of our moral constitution and of his moral government? The doom of the fallen angels teaches us that one act of rebellion against God is fatal, whether we say that all they have suffered since, and all they are to suffer forever, is the penalty of that one act, or the inevitable consequence of the condition into which that one act brought them, makes no difference.
The Goodness of God.

A still more formidable objection is drawn from the goodness of God. It is said to be inconsistent with his benevolence that He should allow any of his creatures to be forever miserable. The answer to this is: —
1. That it is just as impossible that God should do a little wrong as a great one. If He has permitted such a vast amount of sin and misery to exist in the world, from the fall of Adam to the present time, how can we say that it is inconsistent with his goodness, to allow them to continue to exist? How do we know that the reasons, so to speak, which constrained God to allow his children to be sinful and miserable for thousands of years, may not constrain Him to permit some of them to remain miserable forever? If the highest glory of God and the good of the universe have been promoted by the past sinfulness and misery of men, why may not those objects be promoted by what is declared to be future?
2. We have reason to believe, as urged in the first volume of this work, and as often urged elsewhere, that the number of the finally [880] lost in comparison with the whole number of the saved will be very inconsiderable. Our blessed Lord, when surrounded by the innumerable company of the redeemed, will be hailed as the “Salvator Hominum,” the Saviour of Men, as the Lamb that bore the sins of the world.
3. It should constrain us to humility, and to silence on this subject, that the most solemn and explicit declarations of the everlasting misery of the wicked recorded in the Scriptures, fell from the lips of Him, who, though equal with God, was found in fashion as a man, and humbled Himself unto death, even the death of the cross, for us men and for our salvation.
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Future Punishment

by Charles Hodge

Future Punishment, by Charles Hodge
 

Hules

Curly locks!
A still more formidable objection is drawn from the goodness of God. It is said to be inconsistent with his benevolence that He should allow any of his creatures to be forever miserable. The answer to this is: —
1. That it is just as impossible that God should do a little wrong as a great one. If He has permitted such a vast amount of sin and misery to exist in the world, from the fall of Adam to the present time, how can we say that it is inconsistent with his goodness, to allow them to continue to exist?How do we know that the reasons, so to speak, which constrained God to allow his children to be sinful and miserable for thousands of years, may not constrain Him to permit some of them to remain miserable forever? If the highest glory of God and the good of the universe have been promoted by the past sinfulness and misery of men, why may not those objects be promoted by what is declared to be future?

You're answering yourself with more questions??? :confused: That doesn't prove anything!!! :smack:
 

Marie

New Member
To my friend that dosent believe in Hell this is my last post on it, as I have become burnt out on the topic, but I hope it has given you pause for consideration though.
Nothing speaks to the heart like scripture so here goes.

WHAT DID JESUS SAY ABOUT HELL
Luke 12:4-5, "And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
Matthew 5:29-30, "And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell."
Matthew 10:28, "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

WHO WILL END UP IN HELL?
Revelation 20:15 warns "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
2 Thessalonians 1:8b-9 also shows us that those who die without believing in Christ will go to hell: "Them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power."
Revelation 21:8, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
Psalms 9:17, "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Revelation 14:11, "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."

WHY DID GOD CREATE HELL?
Matthew 25:41, "Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels."
2 Peter 3:9 tells us, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Isaiah 5:14, "Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure."

THE BIBLE'S DESCRIPTION OF HELL
Hell is described in the Bible as a place of great despair, sorrow, and agony. Read the following verses, and you will see what I mean.
Matthew 8:11-12, "Many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven: but the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Matthew 13:41-42, "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
Matthew 13:49-50, "So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
Luke 13:28, "There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out." In hell people will learn the true meaning of regret.
Isaiah 28:15, it reads, "Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves."
"For if the word spoken by angels was steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense of reward; how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation" (Hebrews 2:2-3).
Psalms 86:13)? Well, then you'd better make sure your soul has been delivered by Jesus Christ before it is too late!
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Isa 14:9 Sheol beneath is stirred up to meet you when you come; it rouses the shades to greet you, all who were leaders of the earth; it raises from their thrones all who were kings of the nations.
Eze 32:27
And they do not lie with the mighty, the fallen from among the uncircumcised, who went down to Sheol with their weapons of war, whose swords were laid under their heads, and whose iniquities are upon their bones; for the terror of the mighty men was in the land of the living.
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<DIR>Num 16:30 But if the LORD creates something new, and the ground opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that belongs to them, and they go down alive into Sheol, then you shall know that these men have despised the LORD."
Num 16:31 And as soon as he had finished speaking all these words, the ground under them split apart.
Num 16:32 And the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, with their households and all the people who belonged to Korah and all their goods.
Num 16:33 So they and all that belonged to them went down alive into Sheol, and the earth closed over them, and they perished from the midst of the assembly.
<DIR>Mat 18:8And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.
<DIR>Mat 22:13Then the king said to the attendants, 'Bind him hand and foot and cast him into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
<DIR>Mat 25:30And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
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Mat 24:51​
and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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Mar 9:43​
And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire.
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Luk 16:23​
and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.

Luk 16:24​
And he called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.'

Luk 16:25​
But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish.

Luk 16:26​
And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.'

Luk 16:27​
And he said, 'Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house--

<DIR>2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;
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