"I'm having a hard time finding a job"
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Ok show of hands, who believes this one?
He says he makes drugs for 100,000 people, and works in a lab. I get the impression he's the monkey that pushes the button to start the machine that makes the pills.
Squiddie
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I know I said this, but I looked back on this and it brought upon a few questions.
I am going to act like all of you old people are right about everything with your infinite wisdom, and I am wrong because I'm young. Let's assume that almost every young person is lazy and brainwashed by technology therefore they don't want to work. They are entitled for complaining about work while the cost of living increases.
1. What is the solution to this?
2. Let's assume that I do not have a job, but I want to have an income. How would I procure this?
3. Should young people (18-25) think about enjoyment and socialization as a post-retirement (65+) concept?
I just want an actual answer. You don't have to answer any or all of these, but answers are appreciated. I don't want long diatribe on some personal anecdote from thirty years ago. Being able to answer this without trying to inject a level of snark or sarcasm into it would be respectable. I would actually like insight.
1. First, change your attitude. People are hired to fulfill a need, not to give them money. My plumber and my mechanic, we have a business relationship. They do a job, they get paid. Depending on what kind of job you get, respect and ease of work may never come. It's not a perk of the job.
You might tire of hearing this, but many of us "old folks" have had to do very difficult jobs for little pay and long hours. It developed character, among other things. You may not want to hear anecdotes, but I've done everything to literally shovelling sht, roofing in blistering heat and construction in New England knee deep in snow. You need to change your attitude that you are owed nothing.
2. You already know how to get a job. You asked about getting an income, which is not the same. I'm going to assume you mean the same. Don't be averse to taking a job that is "beneath you". I'm very well paid now - but that's how I got started. I just worked hard enough to get recognition and advance. Years ago, I delivered pizzas for a living. I was far and away their best driver and most reliable employee. They offered me the manager position in their new store - since I was looking for tech work, I turned it down. But this happened a lot - do a good job, and you WILL move up. I've noticed a pattern over at least 30 years of new employees who think the path to the top is nigh immediate. Doesn't happen.
3. Your socialization and your definition of it is your own. Success comes with sacrifice. I have a handful of friends who started their own businesses. It meant minimum 80 hours a week. After a few years, they can hire other people so they don't have to do all the work.
I've heard people use the need for recreation and socialization as a hedge against just about everything - probably most commonly if they get married and have children. They ask when do I get time off for MY friends? Many of them are able to strike a balance; others can integrate their life to be satisfying. It's up to you. I think the happiest, most fulfilled PARENTS I know do things with their children, but as volunteers with sports, school functions, youth groups, Scouts and so on. Same goes for a career.
Maybe you'll get lucky - there do exist jobs out there that pay well with modest effort, but they usually require skills most people don't possess. My youngest thinks she can succeed by nailing one of these kinds of jobs - but she is learning on her own, that being responsible and doing the work has its own rewards. It surprises me, because she's always expected she's owed being rich and pampered.
1. Reinstill a middle class work ethic. The poor and the rich have basically the same sense of entitlement just with differing income sources of income.
Remember that unless you're self employed, your j is to make the person above you look their best.
2. Do you have a skill?
Get a job, any job, get a new job moving towards things that interest you. get another job applying the things that you've learned, get another job. You should be seeing a pattern here if you want 5-10% pay raises stay in a single job, if you want bigger raises be prepared to move on.
3.There's a lot of enjoyment to be had at all stages of life. Not all of them require a huge outlay of money, board games with neighbors, weekend camping, personally my family gets a lot of enjoyment sitting around a campfire drinking coffee and tea (I quit drinking a few years ago) with old tunes playing.
Looking into late pre retirement, these a generally your best income years if you want to travel
They don't want to do that. They want to graduate high school and have the world give them what their parents worked decades to achieve. They want to hang out with their friends and play on their phone all day, and have someone pay them $100k.
I'm generalizing, of course, because I know plenty of young people who are real go-getters and have bright futures ahead of them. They're the ones that have the jobs the whiners insist don't exist. Because if you own a restaurant, say, and you can choose between the kid who busts ass and the kid who sits around bitching about missing Thanksgiving and hanging out with his friends, which one will you go with?
It's very similar to black ghetto punks hanging with their homies and going nowhere, busting on the black kid who "acts white" because he speaks with respect and works hard to get an education.
Squiddie
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Thank you for your response. It was clear and concise, and while I might not agree with some parts of it, I appreciate that you did this in a respectful manner.
1. In your words, what is a middle class work ethic?
2. You say get a job, but the process of getting a job is not as easy as you make it seem. To get an entry level job, most companies tell you to apply online, and then you're lucky to hear back from them at all. There's many, many stories about young people out of college applying for a job that pays 40,000/yr, and going through 4+ rounds of interviews totaling to over two months of time spent just to be denied. Compounded on top of this, many entry-level companies including restaurants and chain stores aren't hiring people who will leave them to pursue better opportunities leading to an overqualification problem. This is not including the H1B visa crisis, where companies are abusing cheap foreign labor to bring into the USA to supplement middle-class American jobs.
3. I agree that life is generally what you make it. However, people like vraiblonde seem to believe that young people can't have any enjoyment at all once they hit working age, and weaponizes false generalizations of an extremely loud minority to apply to an entire generation. My idea of socialization and enjoyment is taking a holiday off to spend time with and bond with family that I don't see often. Not taking vacations every month, just one day off for a special occasion every couple months. While it's true that life doesn't stop for holidays, I do think it is valid for someone to want a holiday off to be with their loved ones.
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Finding a job, so easy even a caveman can do it, and still do.
Squiddie
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Finding a job is different from actually getting it. It's dead easy to "find" a job, but becoming an employee is a whole other beast.
I love how EVERYTHING is so difficult for morons.
Squiddie
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Not really interested in listening to geriatrics moan about people while not answering any questions or offering any solutions. Yell at Fox News for me, okay? Laura Ingraham will listen to you this time, I promise. Let the users with a mental age above 18 sort this out.
Don't try to deflect from your flawed opinions, morons like you come and go from this forum all of the time.
I find your posts extremely entertaining, carry on. LOLOLOL
Sounds to me like you blew the interview.
If you came off at the interview like you do here, I can see why they wouldn’t wanna hire you.
A middle class work ethic is giving more than expected. Most people do the bare minimum, a "C" effort, go above and beyond. If there is more that you can do, do it. Sometimes that means sweeping a floor or cleaning a toilet. Be the person that can be counted on, not the person that's running in the door at the last minute.
I couldn't tell you about getting a job mostly because I've been working for 50 years. When I couldn't get a job that would allow me to move out of the parents house I joined the military and learned a trade, that trade led to a degree and a career. When the daughter was looking for a job during high school she went to work at Wawa and moved on to a bank teller, both of these jobs were walk in and talk to the manager and fill out an application. She did this for a few years while going to college and took an internship with the government through CSM.
I also think you may be a little disingenuous about the job market, the unemployment rate is close to 4% at this time, that's very close to anyone who wants a job has one.
Squiddie
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Thank you for the clarification on your response. I appreciate it. Thank you for abstaining on giving an opinion on getting a job, because the situation has changed in those 50 years you have been working. Some people do not understand that, and it's like trying to talk to a brick wall.
In the same vein, there are a ton of places that are chronically understaffed despite said 4% unemployment rate. It doesn't really tell the whole story with one figure, sadly enough.