Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Is it possible for gays to go to heaven?
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Whatever helps you sleep at night.
MDSupremacist
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evidence of your claims would help me sleep better.
bcp
In My Opinion
bcp
In My Opinion
Not sure, I dont read that much fiction.
But, I think that its listed right there with the goats, its ok if there are no women or children available.
cheezgrits
Thought pirate
Read most this single thread and see how you christians can't even agree with each other over definitions of sin and tell me again how mocking you people for not having common sense is wrong...
And I did not mean to mock, meant to show an example of the truth as I see it.
Starman3000m
New Member
Islamic theology allows Muslims to implement Sharia Law against such transgressors and we see this happening today. Sharia Law calls for:
1.) Stoning homosexuals and adulterers to death.
2.) Killing an unruly child and anyone who strays from the faith of Islam.
3.) Whipping a person for being caught drinking wine. Whipping them again the second time they are caught. Killing them the third time they are caught.
4.) Cutting off the hand of a thief.
5.) ....gee, this is sure sounding like what the old Mosaic Laws called for before Jesus established The New Covenant between God and mankind.
BTW: The four (4) capital punishments in Islam for major offenders are these:
1. Decapitation by the sword;
2. Stoning them to death;
3. Strangulation to death;
4. Burning them to death
Sure sounds like Old Testament Orthodox Punishments - the ones that Christ did away with through The New Covenant between God and mankind.
bcp
In My Opinion
Yes, as far as I can remember its only called out once. But it is there.
Of course you also have to consider that there was (to my knowledge) no word for homosexual in that time, but I think the wording in original was something like man laying with man.
as far as the sins from the OT, they are still sins, but we no longer are the ones to judge them. Jesus specifically made that clear.
Homosexuality is no greater sin than the others, the only unforgivable sin is to take the Lords Name in vain, or, denounce him totally.
But, this is somewhat of a conflict to me.
If for instance you, take the Lords name in vain, and you denounce him, yet next year you find Christ and accept him as your Saviour, you are saved by his own words.
So to answer the original question can gays go to heaven? Yes they can. Because if they cant because of being homosexuals, then Im going to hell with them or some of the things I have done/do.
MDSupremacist
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And all of the atheists, evolutionists, Muslims, Pagans, and Indians agree among themselves? That is rich.
Funny, when Catholics claim the pope is infallible, people scream "no man can always be right." But when regular people disagree you complain about that too. Why are you so desperate to prove Christians wrong? Like sodomites you have some nagging feeling that you are wrong and you are trying with all your might to drown it out. give it up, you'll never believe yourself.
MDSupremacist
New Member
What difference does it make. Does Scripture have some verse that states things have to be in there twice to be true? Or is this a rule you invented?
hotcoffee
New Member
Cheezgrits is only pointing out the obvious.
Read the thread....
Also.... had you read the entire thread... instead of going off half/cocked you would know that Cheezgrits is not a Catholic or a Protestant.... Cheezgrits is an American Indian.
I might point out that some people on this thread [you included] make remarks that are totally untrue, totally unfounded, or totally misinformed [i.e. the remark quoted here] and defend their ignorant remark to the end, no matter how insane it makes them look. It's as if those same people [you included] really do believe anything that they let pour out of their mouths.
If in debate of discussion someone with an opposing viewpoint makes a well organized, well researched, and reasonable stand.... they should receive recognition. Cheezgrits made an excellent observation.
I wish people who only claim to be Christians [those who have never asked Jesus to enter their lives] wore a sign so they could be easily identified and dismissed as a fraud.
thurley42
HY;FR
Cheezgrits is only pointing out the obvious.
Read the thread....
Also.... had you read the entire thread... instead of going off half/cocked you would know that Cheezgrits is not a Catholic or a Protestant.... Cheezgrits is an American Indian.
I might point out that some people on this thread [you included] make remarks that are totally untrue, totally unfounded, or totally misinformed [i.e. the remark quoted here] and defend their ignorant remark to the end, no matter how insane it makes them look. It's as if those same people [you included] really do believe anything that they let pour out of their mouths.
If in debate of discussion someone with an opposing viewpoint makes a well organized, well researched, and reasonable stand.... they should receive recognition. Cheezgrits made an excellent observation.
I wish people who only claim to be Christians [those who have never asked Jesus to enter their lives] wore a sign so they could be easily identified and dismissed as a fraud.
Boom!!!!
"Saying it in the OT is enough. It is a natural law. Unlike disciplines, those laws don't change."
So we're back to saying the OT laws don't change? Keep that in mind next time you get your hair cut.
Oh, Judas killed himself? Can you be a bit more specific? Did he hang himself? Was this in a field he bought?
Oh, and who was Joseph's father again?
(For the others - I don't care that bible has contradictions. That neither proves nor disproves anything to me. I'm merely pointing out some of these contradictions since MD seems to think they don't exist.)
bcp
In My Opinion
Most of the contradictions are not actually contradictions, they are either new ways to do things, like the stoning someone for being a ho in the OT but not stoning her in the NT. Not a contradiction, and not hypocritical for us not to stone her now, there were many changes that came along after the birth of Christ. The old testiment has become more of a history, and the New is the current way to live.
I'm good with that too. There are some contradictions that I have found or heard of (such as Joseph's father) that I haven't gotten a satisfactory answer to yet. But again, it doesn't even matter. The bible was written by god through men, who are flawed.
I'm just not a huge fan of organized religion in general. It's left a very sour taste in my mouth, mainly with how hypocritical the church is. Of course, it didn't help that my experience with organized religion was with the Roman Catholic church.
bcp
In My Opinion
We could have a serious conversation on this one where we would both be on the same page. I actually walked out of a church and never returned due to the hypocrisy and better than you attitude that came out during an "issue" It actually caused me to step back and question things. But in the end I realized that the people involved at that church were the hypocrits and that what they did was not in accordance to Gods will or direction.
P.S.
None of the above issues were aimed in my direction,, well, at least not at first.
PsyOps
Pixelated
Radiant1
Soul Probe
Unless rmorse ascribes something to the Church that isn't true, then he/she is entitled to their opinion and I'm not touchin' it!
