Is Roman Catholic Christian?

[Radiant1]

I think you would blame every non-Catholic in making themselves their own Pope if they didn't believe in Catholicism.

I wouldn't because I believe in the office of pope and the Apostolic blessing. I'm ok with it if you think yourself a pope, but don't be a hypocrite by dissing the pope when you've already made yourself into one.

God wrote His word down because people lie

Yes, and it's possible people have lied to you and you in turn have lied to others (I'm witness to your having done so), and the way I read scripture Satan can pose as an angel of light so I'm not sure what reassurance you have that you are on the right path.

and if the Bible agreed with Catholicism then Catholics wouldn't need the organization "Catholic Answers".

At the risk of this being a personal attack...you're being ####ing stupid. The same could be said for Protestants and the gotquestions.org site, which you happened to have quoted from in this very thread. By your logic that is evidence that the bible doesn't agree with you!

I'm fallible just like the pope and I'm glad you compared me to the Pope because I'm fallible. I make mistakes.

First, yes you are fallible just as the pope is in and of himself (he goes to confession after all). Second, I didn't compare you to the pope, there is no comparison because he far excels at being an exceptional human being than you could ever dream of. Third, yes, you make mistakes and don't forget that when you're telling people how right you are (see your quote directly below).

I should start making a list why I'm not wrong.
(1) The Bible disagrees with Catholicism.
(2) God has my address and didn't call me to Catholicism.
(3) God has called some of us and we have heard His voice through scripture:

And someone should believe you why? Simply because you've declared yourself a pope? But remember, people lie! Well guess what? I've declared myself my own pope and I think the bible disagrees with you. So who is right, you or me? And how do you know for sure? The bible doesn't tell you how to interpret it. Oh, and by the way, you may not know my story and I don't feel the need to sully it by sharing it with you, but be assured that God called me and led me directly to Catholicism and I heard His voice through scripture, so you're not the only one in His address book. So how do you know I was the one hoodwinked by Satan and not you? Because you're your own pope and you say so? But that can't be because I'm my own pope too and I say differently. We have quite the conundrum here don't we?

-The Westminster Confession of Faith (1647) by Various | Reformed Theology Articles at Ligonier.org

They can hear God's voice. I heard God speaking through scripture in Church, called up a friend in another country, spoke the scripture and it had the same effect here that it had there because people are conscious of God's voice speaking through scripture. They get startled and their conscience is pricked.

The revivals were started because they heard God's word speaking through scripture.

That's nice. How do you know for sure it was the Holy Spirit? Remember, people lie. The way I read scripture good trees bring forth good fruit, and I think it's kind of evident that your fruit here is quite rancid.

 

[inkah]

In order to understand Christianity, you have to understand blood atonement. In the old testament, you slaughtered an animal and placed your hands on the neck of the animal and felt its blood drain out and that sacrificed was a temporary covering for your sins that allowed you to approach a holy God.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Except means no other excuses. Unless you are born from God above, you cannot see the kingdom of God. Many people have different interpretations of what born again means but it means second birth or born from above and you can't live forever without it because when Adam ate the fruit, we all died spiritually so unless you are born a second time, you won't be alive spiritually. I didn't just believe but the light turned on.

Repentance was a step and asking forgiveness for my sins was a step but it wasn't the cure.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Salvation is something that Jesus purchased for you through His once and for all sacrifice on the cross and gives his gift freely so the formula is grace through faith through Christ alone plus nothing. The faith is placed upon Jesus' finished work upon the cross that Jesus died, was buried, and rose again and your faith and trust in Him is what saves you.

So how do you believe in someone you don't know about. You read the Bible and learn who God is and faith comes from the Word of God.

When you place your faith on your ability or efforts, you negate his gift.

Believing the gospel is in 1 Corinthians 15 and works are not mentioned for salvation.
Hebrews 11 over and over says "by faith" and not "by faith and baptism".

Jesus wants you to identify publically with Him through baptism.
And then you put on the new man.

But you have to examine yourself and see if you really are saved and you can have assurance that you are saved.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

That sounds REALLY complicated.

But let me give it a shot...

1. Understand the Old Testament.
2. Wait till "the light turns on".
3. In the meantime, repent and believe (??)
4. Get baptized. (after the light?)
5. Second guess yourself.

Seems pointless...

 

[cheezgrits]

That sounds REALLY complicated.

But let me give it a shot...

1. Understand the Old Testament.
2. Wait till "the light turns on".
3. In the meantime, repent and believe (??)
4. Get baptized. (after the light?)
5. Second guess yourself.

Seems pointless...

I love this post!

 

[Chuckt]

That sounds REALLY complicated.

But let me give it a shot...

1. Understand the Old Testament.
2. Wait till "the light turns on".
3. In the meantime, repent and believe (??)
4. Get baptized. (after the light?)
5. Second guess yourself.

Seems pointless...

No. What is frustrating is that people are spiritually dead and I can't perform a miracle to make them born again because only God can do that.
You can communicate the gospel but some people need to hear it as many times because they don't understand since I'm trying to communicate spiritual concepts and they understand material concepts. To others it sounds like a stumbling block.
In the meantime, repent and believe? No. You have the order wrong. Repentance is a step for salvation and most of the time as a result of salvation. How would you repent of the sin of ignorance? If you don't know something, how would you repent of it?

Get baptized? Yeah, get baptized. Baptism is a picture:

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

A like figure is a picture and pictures record events like birthdays and pictures of birthdays don't cause birthdays. Pictures record birthdays. The same with baptism. Catholics get baptized thinking that the like figure will cause an event when it is really a like figure or photograph of what happened in their spirit (death, burial, resurrection and coming back to new life). Baptism represents death (Romans 6:3-4).

Second guess yourself?

King James Bible
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
http://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/13-5.htm

Yeah, you should. Whose fault is it if you miss heaven? It is yours.

What I did in my life was listen to the different positions that people held on the Bible and I did my own systematic theology.
Then I grew up. I wore out my first Bible. I spent probably 20 hours a week studying from different pastors.

I was reading some online posts from a man who made his own educational computer and sold it. He basically said that if you want to learn, you have to turn off the television and spend some time learning the black art of computer design.

So if you aren't learning on your own and if you have no Bible dictionaries or Bible tools, all you have is what other people's positions are. All you have is every wind of doctrine. It is sort of like this. There are people who believe you can't lose your salvation and there are people who believe you can lose your salvation. There are people who believe salvation is based on grace and others who believe salvation is based on works. There are people who are pre-tribulation, mid tribulation, post tribulation and no tribulation.

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

The forum users need to be able to defeat me with real Biblical doctrine or else those who disagree with me are being tossed to and fro if they are correct and the reason is they don't know their Bible well enough to defend what they believe so that is why some show a parrot because they've run out of arguments. They can't make the Bible say what they have said. And that is a problem because they've been fed something by years of other ignorant people just agreeing to get along.

I like a lot of books and I'm in a Christian bookstore looking through doctrinal books I want to buy and God just convicts me.

Hebrews 5:12 ¶ For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

When you have a clergy dominating the people, about 99% of Catholics can't be teachers so they can't fulfill this verse. Some of my own disowned pastors are like, "what?" I pretty much told them they can't fulfill this verse because only certain people are allowed to teach and there are few opportunities.

You're supposed to be discipled and grow up. Someone even fought me on another forum saying, "don't you do that in your church?" Oh really? How biblicaly illiterate is that?

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

We're supposed to go into all the world and:

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

And we're supposed to teach them. Teach them to do what? You mean there is a right and wrong? If there isn't a right or wrong then why can't I teach what I want?

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

We're supposed to go into all the world and teach them what Jesus commanded us.

People don't want that and I don't really see a lot of this here in the religion forum because most of you haven't demonstrated that you can and:

King James Bible
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. - James 4:17
http://biblehub.com/james/4-17.htm

Therefore if you call yourself a Christian and you aren't doing it, maybe it is sin.

 

[b23hqb]

Funny joke passed on to me:

A couple were driving to a church to get married. On the way, they got into a car accident and died. When they arrive in heaven, they see St. Peter at the gate. They ask him if he could arrange it so they could marry in heaven. St. Peter tells them that he'll do his best to work on it for them.

Three months pass by and the couple hear nothing. They bump into St. Peter and ask him about the marriage.

He says, "I'm still working on it."

Two years pass by and no marriage.

St. Peter again assures them that he's working on it.

Finally after twenty long years, St. Peter comes running with a priest and tells the couple it's time for their wedding.

The couple marry and live happily for a while. But after a few months the couple go and find St. Peter and tell him things are not working out, and that they want to get a divorce.

"Can you arrange it for us?" they ask.

St. Peter replies, "Are you kidding?! It took me twenty years to find a priest up here. How am I gonna find you a lawyer?"

 

[Radiant1]

Get baptized? Yeah, get baptized. Baptism is a picture:

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

A like figure is a picture and pictures record events like birthdays and pictures of birthdays don't cause birthdays. Pictures record birthdays. The same with baptism. Catholics get baptized thinking that the like figure will cause an event when it is really a like figure or photograph of what happened in their spirit (death, burial, resurrection and coming back to new life). Baptism represents death (Romans 6:3-4).

Let's take a look at your verse in it's context, which is not about baptism specifically but rather Christian suffering:

1 Peter 3:18For Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the sake of the unrighteous, that he might lead you to God. Put to death in the flesh, he was brought to life in the spirit. 19In it he also went to preach to the spirits in prison, 20who had once been disobedient while God patiently waited in the days of Noah during the building of the ark, in which a few persons, eight in all, were saved through water. 21This prefigured baptism, which saves you now. It is not a removal of dirt from the body but an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him.

It clearly states Noah was saved through water, that Noah prefigured baptism, and baptism saves us now, which means baptism is more than a symbolic gesture and actually does something. I don't know how the heck you got a "picture" out of that, and if anything Noah would be the "picture" not baptism. Good thing that according to you we are all our own pope and can discern scripture for ourselves because that means I don't have to listen to your non-rational cherry picking.

Then I grew up.

Are you sure about that?

So if you aren't learning on your own and if you have no Bible dictionaries or Bible tools, all you have is what other people's positions are. All you have is every wind of doctrine.

What do you suppose bible tools are? Are they not other people's position? It amuses me that you just gave your position on baptism above, and then turn around and tell someone not to listen to other people's position. Heh.

It is sort of like this. There are people who believe you can't lose your salvation and there are people who believe you can lose your salvation. There are people who believe salvation is based on grace and others who believe salvation is based on works. There are people who are pre-tribulation, mid tribulation, post tribulation and no tribulation.

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Again, let's look at this in it's context, which is about the gifts and renewal of Christ:

Ephesians4:7But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8Therefore, it says: “He ascended on high and took prisoners captive; he gave gifts to men.” 9What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended into the lower [regions] of the earth? 10The one who descended is also the one who ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things. 11 And he gave some as apostles, others as prophets, others as evangelists, others as pastors and teachers, 12to equip the holy ones for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, 13until we all attain to the unity of faith and knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the extent of the full stature of Christ, 14so that we may no longer be infants, tossed by waves and swept along by every wind of teaching arising from human trickery, from their cunning in the interests of deceitful scheming. 15Rather, living the truth in love, we should grow in every way into him who is the head, Christ, 16from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, with the proper functioning of each part, brings about the body’s growth and builds itself up in love.

17So I declare and testify in the Lord that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds; 18darkened in understanding, alienated from the life of God because of their ignorance, because of their hardness of heart, 19they have become callous and have handed themselves over to licentiousness for the practice of every kind of impurity to excess. 20That is not how you learned Christ, 21assuming that you have heard of him and were taught in him, as truth is in Jesus, 22that you should put away the old self of your former way of life, corrupted through deceitful desires, 23and be renewed in the spirit of your minds, 24and put on the new self, created in God’s way in righteousness and holiness of truth.

Paul was talking about the various doctrines of the Gentiles, not Christianity. Heck, even if you want to twist Paul's words around to mean other Christian doctrines, then you might want to take a look at the verses again because Paul is stating a list of various people with various gifts. It's the same as he did in 1Corinthians.

1Corinthians 12:27Now you are Christ’s body, and individually parts of it. 28Some people God has designated in the church to be, first, apostles; second, prophets; third, teachers; then, mighty deeds; then, gifts of healing, assistance, administration, and varieties of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work mighty deeds? 30Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31Strive eagerly for the greatest spiritual gifts.

Truly, I wish you had considered this before you said what you did below about Catholics.

The forum users need to be able to defeat me with real Biblical doctrine or else those who disagree with me are being tossed to and fro if they are correct and the reason is they don't know their Bible well enough to defend what they believe so that is why some show a parrot because they've run out of arguments. They can't make the Bible say what they have said. And that is a problem because they've been fed something by years of other ignorant people just agreeing to get along.

If I might speak for other forum users...we don't *need* to do anything, and I'm willing to bet that the majority of us don't view our discussions with you as a game where one must be defeated although apparently you do. In addition, the majority of us can disagree and still get along because we're grown ups too!

I know my bible well enough to know that you can't prove from the bible that doctrine is to come from only the bible. In other words, you can't even do what you're asking from others. I'd laugh at the absurdity of this but it's really kind of sad when you think about it. Considering that there are well over 20,000 denominations since Protestantism arose it's fairly clear that people can make scripture say whatever they want to, most especially if they are their own pope. If it were not so, we would all believe the same things and have no need for different denominations, and you wouldn't find yourself in this conundrum.

I like a lot of books and I'm in a Christian bookstore looking through doctrinal books I want to buy and God just convicts me.

Hebrews 5:12 ¶ For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

When you have a clergy dominating the people, about 99% of Catholics can't be teachers so they can't fulfill this verse. Some of my own disowned pastors are like, "what?" I pretty much told them they can't fulfill this verse because only certain people are allowed to teach and there are few opportunities.

First of all 1Corinthians 12 (see above) makes it clear that not all people are given all gifts of the Spirit (which includes teaching). If the Spirit gives gifts to whom He will, then why would you condemn someone for not being a teacher? As for being teachers, Catholics aren't kept from it. Not only have we tried to teach you about the faith here on this forum, but parents do so for their children, catechists for school-age children, friends during conversations, etc and so forth, the list is endless; and this is what evangelization is. I don't know where this 99% statistic you're talking about came from so you might want to cite your source.

Since you aren't a Catholic you would be wise to stick with your own personal doctrines and not attempt to tell people what Catholics do or do not believe. Truly, you don't know what the hell you're talking about and you're very cunning and crafty while tossing people to and fro. Stop feeding your ignorance to others.

 

[Chuckt]

Let's take a look at your verse in it's context, which is not about baptism specifically but rather Christian suffering:

1 Peter 3:18For Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the sake of the unrighteous, that he might lead you to God. Put to death in the flesh, he was brought to life in the spirit. 19In it he also went to preach to the spirits in prison, 20who had once been disobedient while God patiently waited in the days of Noah during the building of the ark, in which a few persons, eight in all, were saved through water. 21This prefigured baptism, which saves you now. It is not a removal of dirt from the body but an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him.

It clearly states Noah was saved through water, that Noah prefigured baptism, and baptism saves us now, which means baptism is more than a symbolic gesture and actually does something. I don't know how the heck you got a "picture" out of that, and if anything Noah would be the "picture" not baptism. Good thing that according to you we are all our own pope and can discern scripture for ourselves because that means I don't have to listen to your non-rational cherry picking.

They placed their faith in the ark (Jesus). The baptism drowned everyone else. That is the picture.

 

[Amused_despair]

They placed their faith in the ark (Jesus). The baptism drowned everyone else. That is the picture.

No it is not. That is your interpretation of it, you really should not pretend to speak for God.

Jesus said all that there is needed to be said. Honor the Lord, thy God, and love thy neighbor. The two most important commandments according to one who would know what the most important were. Not bible study or theology lessons or anything that seeks to bring glory to the man and not God. "Sell all that you own, give the proceeds to the poor and follow me."

 

[Bird Dog]

I found a picture of Chuckie in his Pope hat

 

[inkah]

No. What is frustrating is that people are spiritually dead and I can't perform a miracle to make them born again because only God can do that.
You can communicate the gospel but some people need to hear it as many times because they don't understand since I'm trying to communicate spiritual concepts and they understand material concepts. To others it sounds like a stumbling block.
In the meantime, repent and believe? No. You have the order wrong. Repentance is a step for salvation and most of the time as a result of salvation. How would you repent of the sin of ignorance? If you don't know something, how would you repent of it?

Get baptized? Yeah, get baptized. Baptism is a picture:

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

A like figure is a picture and pictures record events like birthdays and pictures of birthdays don't cause birthdays. Pictures record birthdays. The same with baptism. Catholics get baptized thinking that the like figure will cause an event when it is really a like figure or photograph of what happened in their spirit (death, burial, resurrection and coming back to new life). Baptism represents death (Romans 6:3-4).

Second guess yourself?

King James Bible
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
http://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/13-5.htm

Yeah, you should. Whose fault is it if you miss heaven? It is yours.

What I did in my life was listen to the different positions that people held on the Bible and I did my own systematic theology.
Then I grew up. I wore out my first Bible. I spent probably 20 hours a week studying from different pastors.

I was reading some online posts from a man who made his own educational computer and sold it. He basically said that if you want to learn, you have to turn off the television and spend some time learning the black art of computer design.

So if you aren't learning on your own and if you have no Bible dictionaries or Bible tools, all you have is what other people's positions are. All you have is every wind of doctrine. It is sort of like this. There are people who believe you can't lose your salvation and there are people who believe you can lose your salvation. There are people who believe salvation is based on grace and others who believe salvation is based on works. There are people who are pre-tribulation, mid tribulation, post tribulation and no tribulation.

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

The forum users need to be able to defeat me with real Biblical doctrine or else those who disagree with me are being tossed to and fro if they are correct and the reason is they don't know their Bible well enough to defend what they believe so that is why some show a parrot because they've run out of arguments. They can't make the Bible say what they have said. And that is a problem because they've been fed something by years of other ignorant people just agreeing to get along.

I like a lot of books and I'm in a Christian bookstore looking through doctrinal books I want to buy and God just convicts me.

Hebrews 5:12 ¶ For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

When you have a clergy dominating the people, about 99% of Catholics can't be teachers so they can't fulfill this verse. Some of my own disowned pastors are like, "what?" I pretty much told them they can't fulfill this verse because only certain people are allowed to teach and there are few opportunities.

You're supposed to be discipled and grow up. Someone even fought me on another forum saying, "don't you do that in your church?" Oh really? How biblicaly illiterate is that?

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

We're supposed to go into all the world and:

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

And we're supposed to teach them. Teach them to do what? You mean there is a right and wrong? If there isn't a right or wrong then why can't I teach what I want?

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

We're supposed to go into all the world and teach them what Jesus commanded us.

People don't want that and I don't really see a lot of this here in the religion forum because most of you haven't demonstrated that you can and:

King James Bible
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. - James 4:17
http://biblehub.com/james/4-17.htm

Therefore if you call yourself a Christian and you aren't doing it, maybe it is sin.

There is almost too much here to address. Though I do think it would be an incredibly engaging in-person series of conversations.

Do you really think salvation is this complicated? Religion, yes, but salvation?

You seem very adept at contending, but when it comes down to it, what are you contending for?

If you are local, I am interested in visiting your church if you want to pm it to me.

 

[stgislander]

As a Protestant I'd like to say that I find this Roman Catholic bashing annoying and tedious. Is a Roman Catholic a Christian... really?!! Why don't we have a thread on "Is a Seventh Day Adventist a Christian?" Or how about "Is a Mennonite a Christian?" Three pages of this nonsense is all I can take. I'm done reading.

 

[inkah]

As a Protestant I'd like to say that I find this Roman Catholic bashing annoying and tedious. Is a Roman Catholic a Christian... really?!! Why don't we have a thread on "Is a Seventh Day Adventist a Christian?" Or how about "Is a Mennonite a Christian?" Three pages of this nonsense is all I can take. I'm done reading.

Anybody bashing is annoying. Ya know?

 

[b23hqb]

Salvation is simple. chuckt knows that. Belief, confession, and faith in Jesus Christ, and Him only. No works, no hail mary's, no penance, etc. The entire thrust of the OP.

When you truly believe and know you're saved, you'll change and work service for the Lord. If you feel you have to work for, or work at, being saved, then you'll never achieve that goal.

Jesus Christ died, Jesus Christ was buried, Jesus Christ was resurrected from the grave. No other ingredients needed for salvation.

Simple faith that Jesus's work is sufficient. All we have to do is "Come".

 

[inkah]

Salvation is simple. chuckt knows that. Belief, confession, and faith in Jesus Christ, and Him only. No works, no hail mary's, no penance, etc. The entire thrust of the OP.

When you truly believe and know you're saved, you'll change and work service for the Lord. If you feel you have to work for, or work at, being saved, then you'll never achieve that goal.

Jesus Christ died, Jesus Christ was buried, Jesus Christ was resurrected from the grave. No other ingredients needed for salvation.

Simple faith that Jesus's work is sufficient. All we have to do is "Come".

How do you know that?

 

[b23hqb]

How do you know that?

Because he has stated as much. He just gets off, dragged off by others as well, on very deep and complicated theological discussions that get off the track of salvation. Salvation is the key. If you aren't saved, you can never be a Christian. If you do not follow the biblical written description of salvation by Jesus himself, and the apostles that had their teaching at the feet of Jesus, one is just as unsaved and not a Christian the same as one who had never heard the Gospel before.

It's called the "Good News" for a reason.

 

[cheezgrits]

Because he has stated as much. He just gets off, dragged off by others as well, on very deep and complicated theological discussions that get off the track of salvation. Salvation is the key. If you aren't saved, you can never be a Christian. If you do not follow the biblical written description of salvation by Jesus himself, and the apostles that had their teaching at the feet of Jesus, one is just as unsaved and not a Christian the same as one who had never heard the Gospel before.

It's called the "Good News" for a reason.

No, it's pretty apparent that neither you or chuckie get dragged off anywhere, you both are antagonistic Catholic haters.

 

[Chuckt]

No it is not. That is your interpretation of it, you really should not pretend to speak for God.

Jesus said all that there is needed to be said. Honor the Lord, thy God, and love thy neighbor. The two most important commandments according to one who would know what the most important were. Not bible study or theology lessons or anything that seeks to bring glory to the man and not God. "Sell all that you own, give the proceeds to the poor and follow me."

My interpretation of that passage was that it wasn't works by giving all the proceeds to the poor but because he was trusting in his riches because he was rich and he wasn't trusting in Jesus alone.

 

[Chuckt]

I found a picture of Chuckie in his Pope hat

Your jokes are getting better but don't quit your day job.

 

[Chuckt]

Paul was talking about the various doctrines of the Gentiles, not Christianity. Heck, even if you want to twist Paul's words around to mean other Christian doctrines, then you might want to take a look at the verses again because Paul is stating a list of various people with various gifts. It's the same as he did in 1Corinthians.

1Corinthians 12:27Now you are Christ’s body, and individually parts of it. 28Some people God has designated in the church to be, first, apostles; second, prophets; third, teachers; then, mighty deeds; then, gifts of healing, assistance, administration, and varieties of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work mighty deeds? 30Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31Strive eagerly for the greatest spiritual gifts.

Your first point is a lie because the new testament is scripture and I have already written small posts proving that and I can re post it if you wish to argue.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - 2 Timothy 3:16
http://biblehub.com/2_timothy/3-16.htm

The second point is that we've been given a light so when you say that you have to be given spiritual gifts to teach, a lot of that is a lie because the foundation of the Church was already laid and that we've been given a light to display that light so if you want to display stupidity then don't study or teach.

Luke 8:16 ¶ No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light.

We've been given talents and we can use them but it is the slothful person that doesn't use them but buries them because they're afraid that the church might start to think for themselves and realize that Catholicism isn't true. That is the whole reason that the clergy hid the scriptures for about 1500 years and didn't translate them into English and why Protestants started schools.

 

[b23hqb]

No, it's pretty apparent that neither you or chuckie get dragged off anywhere, you both are antagonistic Catholic haters.

Not at all. You're typical - don't like the message, scream at the messenger. I have no reason to hate catholics or atheists - they (you), are all sinners like I am. I just believe in the doctrine of God, and not the doctrine of man.

Are you sure you're not onel on another computer?