Amused_despair
New Member
You ignore the words of Jesus, try to justify why they do not apply to you, and then chastise others whom you claim do not follow the words of Jesus either. Remove the beam from your own eye.
You ignore the words of Jesus, try to justify why they do not apply to you, and then chastise others whom you claim do not follow the words of Jesus either. Remove the beam from your own eye.
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Chuckt
Guest
If you're mocking us because you don't believe in God and then hold us to some fallacious opinion of yours from the Bible, doesn't that make you a hypocrite to hold someone to a standard that you apparently don't hold and that you won't adhere to?
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Chuckt
Guest
Lets see. If it is possible, a person can have a work computer, church computer, home computer, library computer, friend's computer, free WiFi, etc. Then there are others who use a network like Tor to hide their I.P. address. So it is possible. Back in the 80's, system operators would voice verify you (dial you on the phone) to make sure you didn't have multiple accounts and they had logs and later they had caller I.D.
cheezgrits
Thought pirate
No, I'm not that jackass. And to your first point, fair enough. I don't hate your message, just the delivery. And I'm far from an atheist, just for reference.
Sounds like a little paranoia settling in.....
Tell us about the rabbits George...........or your lawsuits Chuckie..........
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Chuckt
Guest
I've never sued anyone.
No paranoia here but you must live in a perfect world where there is no such thing as sin.
Radiant1
Soul Probe
Yeah, and? I never said the NT wasn't scripture. What I said was that unlike what you implied Paul wasn't referring to other Christian doctrines, but rather pagan ones.
Yes, and? By all means, let your light shine! Is there some reason that you think the only way someone can do that is by teaching? A good many do that by their upright moral example. Do you suppose those Christians are stupid?
A slothful person who buries them hurts themselves and the Body of Christ. It has nothing to do with Catholicism or thinking for yourself. Heck man, if you desire people to think for themselves, then stop trying to teach them something and let them interpret scripture for themselves. I mean, you do believe in interpreting scripture for oneself, right? So why are you being a hypocrite?
I'm pretty sure I told you about Saints Cyril and Methodius who actually created an alphabet in order for people to read scripture in their own language. I'm also fairly certain I told you why the bible wasn't largely distributed in the first 1440 years because a printing press didn't exist, not to mention the majority of people didn't know how to read anyway and this is why the Church taught in pictures. In addition, you may not be aware of basic history but Christian education existed from the very earliest of days. What do you think an epistle was or the writings of the Church Fathers were? Even during the Dark Ages in Western Europe the Catholic monks did what they could to educate people when they weren't too busy scrapping for an existence.
You have either conveniently forgotten about such things, are woefully ignorant of such things, or choose to make false accusations anyway. I'll be generous and assume you're just ignorant. In fact, regardless of all the book learning you claim to have it's an easy enough assumption. A lot of people tend to look at history through today's lens as if people in the past had all of our civilized modernization and benefits. You are obviously one of those.
And while I'm at it, Jesus said that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church. If Catholicism got it oh so wrong and it wasn't made right until the Protestant Reformation, then doesn't that mean that the gates of hell prevailed for 1500 years? You might want to be careful about inadvertently calling Jesus a liar. Just sayin'.
It continues to interest me that Catholicism is still the standard on which Protestants rely. After all, a Protestant has to protest something, right? As shown in the following testimony, which is worthy of posting again (thank you onel), hatred of Catholicism is actually taught by Protestant schools. So, chuckt, is hatred is what you're teaching that you're so proud of? Gee, let your not-so-pure light shine, brother!
http://chnetwork.org/2012/02/a-prot...urch-conversion-story-of-a-david-anders-ph-d/
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Chuckt
Guest
That is an interpretation. There is so much written on Matthew 16:18 that I would have to start unraveling it for you.
"Moreover, as for myself, I also am saying to you, You are Rock [petros, masculine in gender, a detached but large fragment of rock], and upon this massive rock [petra, feminine in gender, feminine demonstrative pronoun cannot go back to masculine petros; petra, a rocky peak, a massive rock] I will build my Church. And the councils of the unseen world shall not overpower it." - "The New Testament (An Expanded Translation) by Dr. Kenneth Weust (NASB Translator).
When we look at a translation that is completely literal, it means "assembly" and not "church" and there is a whole different worldview that we read into the verse when we read "Church" because Church literally means the "ekklesia" (ek for out and lesia which is a form of called) or "called out ones" which is an assembly and not a physical structure or building:
Young's Literal Translation
'And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;
http://biblehub.com/matthew/16-18.htm
An example of this would be Revelation 20:8-9 where it says:
Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Camp means "assembly":
http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3925&t=KJV
There are at least two ways to interpret the Bible:
(1) Literal
(2) By what it means and not by what it says.
I can give examples as to where you have to depart from several passages where what it says is not what it means.
King James Bible
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
John 5:31
So you can't take John 5:31 literally by what it says because you have to go by what it means. If you take it literally, Jesus wouldn't be true if He testified about Himself. Jesus is talking about the Law and that the testimony of two or three witnesses is needed for a matter to be established in order to be true according to the law and that is found in Deuteronomy 17:6.
The second reason is that I've seen a Strong's Cyclopedia and it isn't one of those one volume Strong's references and sometimes when you look in the cyclopedia, you see an asterisk like "*" next to a word. That means the word itself comes from a word cluster and certain word clusters can have two or three hundred meanings but the translators then have to make an interpretation as all translations are an interpretation. They have to choose one of the two or three hundred meanings from a word cluster.
Another topic that is too long for discussion is the visible church verses the invisible church and it is true that you can't join a church because you have to be born into it. You might join a church but unless your spirit has been born a second time, you will die spiritually. You are looking at the physical interpretation of the verse instead of possible other meanings that scholars have found.
p. 107, "Reasoning from the Scriptures with Catholics" by Dr. Ron Rhodes.
p. 107, "Reasoning from the Scriptures with Catholics" by Dr. Ron Rhodes.
So those are the easy things for you to confront but there is so much written against what you believe that it can't be true.
http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/bible.show/sVerseID/23691/eVerseID/23691
http://biblehub.com/matthew/16-18.htm
Make sure you answer each scholar in the commentaries for me in those two links so that I know Catholicism is true but the fact is there is a mountain of argumentation against Catholicism and I might talk with you so you know why I don't accept Catholicism but we can start there.
So no. You have an interpretation.
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
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Hey Chuckie,
To answer your original post:
With "no" respect for your wisdom, biblical knowledge, self love, and personal beliefs, I just got home from Mass and had to post this. Yes the Roman Catholic Church is Christian. It was a wonderful celebration of Jesus Christ, with tradition going back 2,000 years. So again yes, the Roman Catholic is Christian.
Sorry for your luck.
To answer your original post:
With "no" respect for your wisdom, biblical knowledge, self love, and personal beliefs, I just got home from Mass and had to post this. Yes the Roman Catholic Church is Christian. It was a wonderful celebration of Jesus Christ, with tradition going back 2,000 years. So again yes, the Roman Catholic is Christian.
Sorry for your luck.
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Chuckt
Guest
I'm glad you had a good time at Church. I really am glad for you.
The problem is that the Mormon and the Jehovah Witness will say the same thing. They will say they enjoy worshiping God, they will claim their Church is Christian, they will have a grand old time.
Unfortunately you have to follow what God says about being born again rather than what an imperfect Church says wrongly about salvation.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
You can't be baptized to be saved because baptism represents death (Romans 6:4).
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Matthew 7:24 ¶ Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Matthew 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Matthew 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Matthew 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
cheezgrits
Thought pirate
Chuckie, Satan is going to have so much fun with you...
To verbose.....you're back to your Squawking parrot mode
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cheezgrits
Thought pirate
At least a parrot squawks, he just cuts and pastes.
Amused_despair
New Member
"fallacious", an interesting description of direct quotes of the words of Jesus Christ.
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Chuckt
Guest
I didn't quote Jesus in your quotation of me.
Amused_despair
New Member
You refer to my quoting Jesus as having a fallacious opinion. How is that beam doing?
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Chuckt
Guest
I think you need to pull the beam out of your own eye first because you are holding someone up to a standard that you don't adhere to.
Amused_despair
New Member
I just wish to ensure that everyone realizes that when they are lectured to by you that they are being lectured to by a hypocrite.
...or just a squawking Parrot. Came out of the gutter, found Jesus, and wants to condemn the the Religion that started it all....
cheezgrits
Thought pirate
He hates Hindus too?
"The world's oldest religion still being practiced today is Hinduism (know to adherents as 'Sanatan Dharma', Eternal Order) but, in what is considered 'the west', the first records of religious practice come from Egypt around 4000 BCE. The Egyptian Creation Myth tells us that, at first, there was only Ocean."
https://www.google.com/webhp?source...espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=what was the first religion