It's time for an Amish Barn Raising

[Hank]

Don't know about the vendor's license, but according to the other posts they do not pay federal and state income taxes the way you and I do.

Well, then I have a problem with the stinky ####ers!

 

[bilbur]

Please allow me to quote fomr the source you cited "The Amish believe in self-sufficiency and communal help within the order. Although they do pay most taxes, they are exempt from paying some federal and state taxes because of their religious beliefs."

Succinctly, the do not pay taxes because of their religious belief AND occupy a PUBLIC space to do their business. Man---how do I get in on that arrangement...NO STATE or FEDERAL TAXES...and I get to set up on public land...simply beautiful! I will compliment the Amish on this point, they are playing the sympathies of the community like champs!

"The US Congress exempted the Amish from participating in Social Security in 1965 because the Amish viewed it as a form of commercial insurance, which they opposed. They believe that members of the church should care for each others’ physical and material needs. Thus, most of them do not pay into Social Security or receive payments from it. In some states, the Amish have also been exempted from workers compensation (insurance for on-the-job injuries) for the same reason." Elizabeth College

Clearly, I concede they pay some taxes BUT definitely not as much as the average Joe.

Are you sure Amish don't pay income taxes? I looked it up and found a site that claims Amish pay everything except social security.

Q: Do the Amish pay taxes?
A: Yes. They pay all the taxes—income, property, sales, estate, corporate, school—that other people do. In fact many of them pay school taxes twice—for both public and private Amish schools. The US Congress exempted the Amish from participating in Social Security in 1965 because the Amish viewed it as a form of commercial insurance, which they opposed. They believe that members of the church should care for each others’ physical and material needs. Thus, most of them do not pay into Social Security or receive payments from it. In some states, the Amish have also been exempted from workers compensation (insurance for on-the-job injuries) for the same reason.

 

[fatratcat]

Does anyone know if they're open tomorrow or not? I usually go on Saturdays but I'm on CWS tomorrow so....

I think the are open. They were when I stopped by today and bought vegetables.

 

[fatratcat]

Are you sure Amish don't pay income taxes? I looked it up and found a site that claims Amish pay everything except social security.

I think they do pay incomes taxes but it seems to get murky quick on most cites. Ragardless, I'm fairly certain they do not pay Social Security, Workman's Comp., vehicle or road taxes, etc. I think the cite below from Wiki does a good job explaining.

But even though their buggies, bicyclists, and pedestrians use public highways, the Amish need not pay either motor vehicle registration fees or motor fuel taxes.[56] Under their beliefs and traditions, generally the Amish do not agree with the idea of Social Security benefits and have a religious objection to insurance.[57] On this basis, the United States Internal Revenue Service agreed in 1961 that they did not need to pay Social Security-related taxes. In 1965, this policy was codified into law.[58] Self-employed individuals in certain sects do not pay into, nor receive benefits from, United States Social Security. This exemption applies to members of a religious group that is conscientiously opposed to accepting benefits of any private or public insurance, provides a reasonable level of living for its dependent members and has existed continuously since December 31, 1950.[59] The U.S. Supreme Court in 1982 clarified that Amish employers are not exempt, but only those Amish individuals who are self-employed

That last lines sits uneasy with me, since most Amish are self-employed. This makes me think most or a good portion DO NOT pay those taxes. However, this all kinda getting off my point. A permament solution (ie a permanent commercial space) should be identfied or they can build their own. My point is not without precedent. Just take a ride through Lancaster county and you'll see they a number of markets explicitly for their commerce.

 

[fatratcat]

Wow! I wasn't going to get in on the argument that has progressed from your OP, but I gagged when I read your (bolded) comment, above. Maybe, you should move. JMO

No. I'm not moving until I'm good and ready, but the answer to your question is "yes" Amish are exempted from Obamacare. See below:


There is a “religious conscience” clause for such groups as the Old Order Amish or Old Order Mennonites, who restrict or bar contact with modern society and also have never paid into Social Security or Medicare.

Read more: 'Obamacare' alternative: Exemptions offer way out; health-sharing ministries among excused - Washington Times
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[buddscreek]

they were looking into 7ac on thompson corner rd to build a store/auction
facility. but to many owners of the property couldn't agree on a price.

 

[fatratcat]

they were looking into 7ac on thompson corner rd to build a store/auction
facility. but to many owners of the property couldn't agree on a price.

Well. I wish them luck and hope they can get something. It's also reassuring to know they are working the issue.

 

[fatratcat]

Thanks! Convenient location isn't it?

I can't say that's true. Try crossing the parking lot with a 4 y/o to get into the library on a weekend. First, you park where you can. Second, the traffic on the walking trail also helps populate the parking lot. I have no problems with the trail and am glad to have it. Makes sense to me b/c it's a county trail & a county parking lot. Third, the merge of horse and buggies into the lot with regular vehicles isn't all that smooth. I was there on day when a horse spooked a few years ago. A horse and buggy with no driver came off of 6 into the parking lot. The horse slipped an fell giving an Amish guy the chance to "cow boy" up. He jumped right on the horse stopping the buggy from running me, my 4 year old, and bunch of other folks over. If he didn't stop that carriage it would have been bad times for all.

 

[mitzi]

No. I'm not moving until I'm good and ready, but the answer to your question is "yes" Amish are exempted from Obamacare. See below:


There is a “religious conscience” clause for such groups as the Old Order Amish or Old Order Mennonites, who restrict or bar contact with modern society and also have never paid into Social Security or Medicare.

Read more: 'Obamacare' alternative: Exemptions offer way out; health-sharing ministries among excused - Washington Times
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

So what is the problem? They don't pay into SS or Medicare and they won't receive it when they reach the eligible age.

 

[mitzi]

I can't say that's true. Try crossing the parking lot with a 4 y/o to get into the library on a weekend. First, you park where you can. Second, the traffic on the walking trail also helps populate the parking lot. I have no problems with the trail and am glad to have it. Makes sense to me b/c it's a county trail & a county parking lot. Third, the merge of horse and buggies into the lot with regular vehicles isn't all that smooth. I was there on day when a horse spooked a few years ago. A horse and buggy with no driver came off of 6 into the parking lot. The horse slipped an fell giving an Amish guy the chance to "cow boy" up. He jumped right on the horse stopping the buggy from running me, my 4 year old, and bunch of other folks over. If he didn't stop that carriage it would have been bad times for all.

And bad times had it been a car. You're in a parking lot.

 

[fatratcat]

And bad times had it been a car. You're in a parking lot.

Haven't seen many cars driving down Rt. 6 without a driver.

 

[fatratcat]

So what is the problem? They don't pay into SS or Medicare and they won't receive it when they reach the eligible age.

Exempt from OBamacare, no social security taxes, don't have to pay for the road used to transport goods, and use public land to absorb the overhead for your business...gee does the farmer a mile away get this deal?

 

[Gilligan]

It's an eyesore to have a shanty town on the lawn of a public building.

I think it looks just fine. Every time I shop there.

Judging from your complete failure to gather up any like-minded supporters in favor of kicking the Amish off the property, looks like I can count on being able to shop there for some time to come.

 

[dontknowwhy]

Oh! I'm sorry! I didn't know that seniority enhanced citizenship or civic roles? Could you please point out the portions of the US or Maryland constitutions giving "senior land owners" a greater right or a bigger voice in community forums, decisions, or other affairs? All one needs to do is go sit in on the weekly Commissioner's meetings to see that, those with the most, make the most rules...you know, senior land owners that have had their land for quite some time...maybe you should get more familiar with life & less familiar with "fairness"If what you say is true, the Amish need to give their farms back to the native americans immediately. Why? didn't you read they settled here in 1939?...LONG after MY people rightfully stole it from the Native Americans...you lack serious comprehension on literary, historic, & civic matters As far as shutting me up? Good luck with that precious! kinda like a woman...no matter how much us men wished you would quit whining & crying, all I can offer is a kiss on your forehead, a pat on your ass, & point you in the direction of the kitchen where you would be most useful You're a keyboard coward. Oh, so I guess you're standing out in front of the Library just waiting for me to show up?You can't defend your thoughts, so you resort to bullying to silence opposition. Says the idiot who almostbecame a DI but was probably afraid of getting slapped when he tried to bully some of those good ol country boys I served withWell, I'm not impressed. BTW- please feel free to define the "us" you referred to because it smacks of racism. glad your Liberal, racist, NIMBY ass found racism where there isn't any...What other code words gave me away? Falafal & Al Salmon Saladressing clearly tells me you're Al Quaeda, now doesn't it? One last thought, "Who appointed you to speak on their behalf?" The exact same people who appointed you as the zoning police fagraghead

hope this clears up any confusion

 

[fatratcat]

hope this clears up any confusion

So, you just make things up to support your world view? Nice. Pretty clear I've won the debate. As for you're "country boys" when I was a drill sergeant...none of them ever bucked. Wonder why? Probably, because the one's that graduated from my platoon were stronger than you and didn't pee on themselves at the first sign of opposition. Frankly, you may have been a laundry and bath specialist or a cook but never fool yourself into thinking you were a soldier. Soldiers are stoic in the face of opposition..not cowardly racists. Soldiers are bigger than that. BTW- in the Army, we're drill sergeants not DI's (that's the Marines). Had you actually been a soldier, you would be well acquainted with that fact. I'm calling BS and demand your DD-214. One last though about your racist rant...it shows you are a freightened little inept man. Real men have bigger hearts and greater tolerance for others you refer to as "fagragheads." I don't think my opposition in this debate is a bunch of racists or homophobes, but you sure are the weak link on their side of the debate. Anybody want to step forward and support this cowards racist positions?

 

[Gilligan]

Pretty clear I've won the debate."

Clear to whom?

 

[Gilligan]

Real men have bigger hearts and greater tolerance for people like the Amish

Inorite?

 

[fatratcat]

Inorite?

I actually have a number of Amish friends. I don't hate them. The question is whether or not they should be permanently ceded a piece of public property. For what it's worth, I agree with the US Supreme Court and think government should avoid significant entanglements with any specific religion (mine included).

 

[aps45819]

I actually have a number of Amish friends. I don't hate them. The question is whether or not they should be permanently ceded a piece of public property. For what it's worth, I agree with the US Supreme Court and think government should avoid significant entanglements with any specific religion (mine included).

No one has "ceded" any property to the Amish
Claiming that has happened is something a person would say

 

[Gilligan]

The question is whether or not they should be permanently ceded a piece of public property. For what it's worth, I agree with the US Supreme Court and think government should avoid significant entanglements with any specific religion (mine included).

Good thing that none of drivel that is even relevant. Anyone can set up and sell produce there. You too. I heard a couple Muslims are going to start selling goat cheese there.