Jesus is either the biggest fraud in history or He is exactly who He claims to be.

[nomoney]

God gives each of His people a mission if they will accept it. Some preach to the choir so they can get "Amens". I often post the harsh Truth. I don't do so to hurt or judge. I do so because many people go to church every Sunday and do not have a personal relationship with God. Some people pray and wonder why it seems God is not listening. He is always listening. He answers His children and those seeking to be His child. All I am trying to do is shake the sleepers into waking up.

2A; this is my stance:IMO, trying to tell someone (that did not ask your opinion) that their religion is flawed is in the same league as volunteering to someone (who did not ask you) that they chose their spouse poorly, and should discard them. I do not join in the religion talks mostly for these feelings. I think you get the hate and discontent because you are not telling these people the harsh truth ; you are quite matter factly pushing your own beliefs on others who believe quite strongly in their own beliefs. You have no way to prove that anything is actual fact until you meet your creator face to face. Until then many may be upset with the fact that you keep posting about certain types of people needing to find your god before they perish in the pits of hell.
My motto : "you do your thing and I'll do mine" . I figure-why do I want to over populate my final resting place with a bunch of loony's that had to be told the "right way" to begin with. :shrug:

 

[Chasey_Lane]

I figure-why do I want to over populate my final resting place with a bunch of loony's that had to be told the "right way" to begin with. :shrug:

That's a great persepective, nomo!

 

[2ndAmendment]

2A; this is my stance:IMO, ...r factly pushing your own beliefs on others who believe quite strongly in their own beliefs. ...

Everything I post or base my posts on in the Religion forum is from the canonical Bible. It is the Truth. If others don't believe, that is their free will.

There is either absolute Truth, or every person is free to decide what is truth and there is no truth at all. At that point, I could decide that there is no such thing as murder and just start hunting people. No big deal; it would be OK with my truth.

 

[crabcake]

Everything I post or base my posts on in the Religion forum is from the canonical Bible. I believe it is the Truth. If others don't believe, that is their free will.

fixed

See how easy that is? :shrug: Unless you're the God you proclaim you believe in, you don't know what is truth/fact and not; you believe it to be truth/fact.

BIG difference.

 

[2ndAmendment]

fixed

See how easy that is? :shrug: Unless you're the God you proclaim you believe in, you don't know what is truth/fact and not; you believe it to be truth/fact.

BIG difference.

Don't fix my posts, please. I know that the Bible is the Truth.

 

[Chasey_Lane]

Don't fix my posts, please. I know that the Bible is the Truth.

No, you don't. You BELIEVE it to be true.

 

[crabcake]

Don't fix my posts, please. I know that the Bible is the Truth.

No, you believe it. Did you travel back in time? Were you there when it was written? Did you listen in on the discussions between God and those who put it to print? Did God speak directly to you and say, yes, it's the truth; and if you say yes, can you prove it wasn't just a mental dillusion?

Why must you insist that your way is the ONLY way? :shrug:

 

[2ndAmendment]

No, you believe it. Did you travel back in time? Were you there when it was written? Did you listen in on the discussions between God and those who put it to print? Did God speak directly to you and say, yes, it's the truth; and if you say yes, can you prove it wasn't just a mental dillusion?

Why must you insist that your way is the ONLY way? :shrug:

Why must you insist that I don't know what I know? I have a personal relationship with Jesus. I know He is real; He answers my prayers; He has given me gifts of the Holy Spirit to do things I cannot do in my own power. I know Him and He knows me. That is how I know the Bible is real. Let me put it to you this way, if someone were to hold a gun to my head and say renounce God and the Bible, or I will kill you; they would just have to kill me.

 

[Chasey_Lane]

I know Him and He knows me.

Ask him what he had for dinner last night.

 

[crabcake]

Why must you insist that I don't know what I know? I have a personal relationship with Jesus. I know He is real; He answers my prayers; He has given me gifts of the Holy Spirit to do things I cannot do in my own power. I know Him and He knows me. That is how I know the Bible is real. Let me put it to you this way, if someone were to hold a gun to my head and say renounce God and the Bible, or I will kill you; they would just have to kill me.

If you're not the "all-knowing, all powerful" ... then you believe. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with what you believe. But your choice of words (e.g., "I KNOW" "it's FACT") when you are not all-knowing is highly arrogant ... you're saying that unless I or others believe what you claim to "know" we're all wrong and going to hell. And I believe THAT is wrong!

And you wonder why you get the responses you do when you post.

 

[crabcake]

Ask him what he had for dinner last night.

we need a :snort: smilie.

 

[2ndAmendment]

CC, I leave you and Chasey to your beliefs. It is obvious that what I know is not what you believe. Have enjoyable lives. God is ready and able when you are.

 

[carolinagirl]

2A -I agree that it is not what you say, it is how you say it. I consider myself a believer, but I am also a sinner as are all mortal men/women. It is fine to believe and be strong in the abundance of faith that you have. I commend you for taking such a strong stance in favor of God especially in this day and age. But as my pastor has always stated, you must also remember that each person is on his or her own journey, whether it be toward God or toward Hell. It is not for anyone else to judge and it is not for any of us to say repent now or you go to hell. It is also not for us to tell people that are saved that they now have to follow the letter of the law (in this case the Bible). Each person's walk with God, is just that - THEIR walk with God.

I have witnessed things about God to my friends and family, but I do it through a testimony as to what God has done for me personally or what He has brought me through. I don't try to take a verse from the Bible and show people what they are doing wrong. That is the difference, on one hand I can say, "hey, I have been through some stuff and this is what God did for me. Versus saying, "Your living in sin and if you don't change, the Bible says your going to hell and God won't bless you.

My opinion iis that is better to show and tell what God has done in your life, than to point out everyone else's fault according to the gospel.

 

[Toxick]

Why must you insist that your way is the ONLY way? :shrug:

Why do people insist that there is not only one way?


I hear people saying things like, "Everybody's belief is as valid to them as yours is to you." And "Why are you stubborn and close-minded and have the AUDACITY to ACTUALLY BELIEVE in your belief system."

Am I the only one who finds these arguments ridiculous - and frankly, stupid?

If he didn't believe (or know) that he was right - why would he follow these beliefs it in the first place?

It's like I said the other day: By definition, everyone who disagrees with those who are correct are INCORRECT. Is it stubborn and close-minded to insist that everyone breath air to survive? Is it stubborn and close-minded to insist that 2+2=4?



If you know (or believe) something to be true, it's pointless and stupid to NOT insist it's the right way.

 

[Chasey_Lane]

It is obvious that what I believe is not what you believe.

Agreed!

 

[crabcake]

CC, I leave you and Chasey to your beliefs. It is obvious that what I know is not what you believe. Have enjoyable lives. God is ready and able when you are.

You have no clue what I believe because you never asked. You only preached what you believe to be the truth, which I never discredited or said was wrong.

I struggle with my own beliefs and would love to have faith in something, because my faith in people is severely diminished. But one thing is for certain -- nobody who claims to know it all and act like some wanna-be God is gonna get very far with convincing me to take a look at what he/she has to say.

 

[2ndAmendment]

2A -I agree that it is not what you say, it is how you say it. I consider myself a believer, but I am also a sinner as are all mortal men/women. It is fine to believe and be strong in the abundance of faith that you have. I commend you for taking such a strong stance in favor of God especially in this day and age. But as my pastor has always stated, you must also remember that each person is on his or her own journey, whether it be toward God or toward Hell. It is not for anyone else to judge and it is not for any of us to say repent now or you go to hell. It is also not for us to tell people that are saved that they now have to follow the letter of the law (in this case the Bible). Each person's walk with God, is just that - THEIR walk with God.

I have witnessed things about God to my friends and family, but I do it through a testimony as to what God has done for me personally or what He has brought me through. I don't try to take a verse from the Bible and show people what they are doing wrong. That is the difference, on one hand I can say, "hey, I have been through some stuff and this is what God did for me. Versus saying, "Your living in sin and if you don't change, the Bible says your going to hell and God won't bless you.

My opinion iis that is better to show and tell what God has done in your life, than to point out everyone else's fault according to the gospel.

That is great ... for you. We are each called to different ministries and approaches.

 

[2ndAmendment]

You have no clue what I believe because you never asked. You only preached what you believe to be the truth, which I never discredited or said was wrong.

I struggle with my own beliefs and would love to have faith in something, because my faith in people is severely diminished. But one thing is for certain -- nobody who claims to know it all and act like some wanna-be God is gonna get very far with convincing me to take a look at what he/she has to say.

Hey, if you knew as I know, then you would not be arguing against but for the Bible; you would not question that I know what I know, because you would know also.

 

[carolinagirl]

That is great ... for you.

So, are you saying rather than to give a testimony, you feel God has called you to point out others faults through versus?

Not being sarcastic, just asking for clarification.

 

[crabcake]

Why do people insist that there is not only one way?


I hear people saying things like, "Everybody's belief is as valid to them as yours is to you." And "Why are you stubborn and close-minded and have the AUDACITY to ACTUALLY BELIEVE in your belief system."

Am I the only one who finds these arguments ridiculous - and frankly, stupid?

If he didn't believe (or know) that he was right - why would he follow these beliefs it in the first place?

It's like I said the other day: By definition, everyone who disagrees with those who are correct are INCORRECT. Is it stubborn and close-minded to insist that everyone breath air to survive? Is it stubborn and close-minded to insist that 2+2=4?



If you know (or believe) something to be true, it's pointless and stupid to NOT insist it's the right way.

I've not said that what he believes is wrong. It's the words and way in which he tries to do "Gods work" that I (and others who've spoken up) dislike. Religion is a personal choice -- as is the choice to not believe in any religion-- and everyone interprets things differently. Nobody is in any position to tell someone else that they are wrong, their beliefs are wrong, or that they are going to hell. There's nothing wrong with saying, "This is what I believe." But to say "This is what is FACT" when there is no way possible for that person to know it's fact is ignorant.