Jesus is either the biggest fraud in history or He is exactly who He claims to be.

[Tonio]

It is not my job in life to tell anyone what they should/should not think, feel, believe, they're going to hell, etc. And I have not told 2A his beliefs are jacked up, nor anyone else. I've simply stated (as others have) that if he is sincere in his desire to "do God's work" and "spread the word", then he ought to reconsider his choice of words and tone in doing so -- period. And not to misrepresent his "beliefs" as "facts".

 

[Chasey_Lane]

If I were to say it is OK to sin. Just do what ever you want and you'll still go to heaven would be very evil because it is not true.

I'll pray about it.

Not true! You said yourself that those who repent will see God.

 

[crabcake]

Wow, again that to me sounds so judgmental that instead of being able to say, Lord, I brought as many wayward sheep back into your flock as I could through my testimony of what you have done in my life," you would rather say, "Lord, I preached your word according to the Bible, and I don't know that I change anyone's life or led them back to you, but at least they can't come before you and say they didn't know what their sins where."

The thing is - I can't help but think that you have gotten to this point of your faith in God and the Bible not only through reading and studying, but first because of life experiences and the goodness that God has bestowed upon you. But instead of relating any of that to us, you only quote scriptures that mostly send a negative overature about living a sinful life. The Bible full of scriptures that don't talk about one's sins. My favorite is:

1 Corinthians 13
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

I think this verse gives people hope and understanding of what God's love is all about and what God wants for their lives. Not for a person to be in an abusive situation. And it is not about just stating the good, this verse is also the truth, and I would venture to say that if I past this message on to a group of individuals that were struggling with their belief in God versus a message from you saying fornication is a sin and you should repent and change immediately or you will be destined for hell, that I would probably convert more of those individuals. Once they see and witness the goodness of God, then they will be more open to read and hear about sins they may be committing. For me personally, that is how I felt. Once I saw His goodness, I was willing to whole heartedly embrace His total message. That doesn't mean I am without fault and sin, it is just that I strive to reach His goal and purpose for my life.

Excellent Post! I've thought for a long time that 2A's posts have likely driven more away than drawn those like me who are "on the fence" to any semblance of a religious faith.

 

[Chasey_Lane]

Excellent Post! I've thought for a long time that 2A's posts have likely driven more away than drawn those like me who are "on the fence" to any semblance of a religious faith.

CG has already sold me! I'd have to problem sitting down with her and learning more about her beliefs.

 

[carolinagirl]

If you say so, but those of the Bible who proclaimed the Truth were always hated by those that were proclaimed to unless they were of the Spirit.

If I were to say it is OK to sin. Just do what ever you want and you'll still go to heaven would be very evil because it is not true.

I'll pray about it.

2A - with all due respect, you have made a comment similar to this before. It makes me think that you feel you are like some sacrifical lamb for God and that His mission for you is to spread the word and be hated. His purpose for your life, may in fact be to spread his word, but I think you should definitely be open to how you spread that message. Think about it this way, time and time again you come on here and post after post people go back and forth with you about the delivery of your message. It always ends up with the same comments from you and us. Maybe there is a reason for that, maybe God does not feel like you are listening to Him about your purpose, so through us, He is trying to get you to see that your delivery of His message is wrong. Just a thought.

 

[crabcake]

Maybe there is a reason for that, maybe God does not feel like you are listening to Him about your purpose, so through us, He is trying to get you to see that your delivery of His message is wrong. Just a thought.

: :

 

[Chasey_Lane]

2A - with all due respect, you have made a comment similar to this before. It makes me think that you feel you are like some sacrifical lamb for God and that His mission for you is to spread the word and be hated. His purpose for your life, may in fact be to spread his word, but I think you should definitely be open to how you spread that message. Think about it this way, time and time again you come on here and post after post people go back and forth with you about the delivery of your message. It always ends up with the same comments from you and us. Maybe there is a reason for that, maybe God does not feel like you are listening to Him about your purpose, so through us, He is trying to get you to see that your delivery of His message is wrong. Just a thought.

Too bad I already gave you green.

 

[mAlice]

If you say so, but those of the Bible who proclaimed the Truth were always hated by those that were proclaimed to unless they were of the Spirit.

If I were to say it is OK to sin. Just do what ever you want and you'll still go to heaven would be very evil because it is not true.

I'll pray about it.

Well then...you must be doing something wrong because I don't think anyone here hates you.

No one is saying for you to teach that it's okay to sin. They're suggesting you find a more loving approach.

I've studied the bible. Even if I'm wrong, and there really is a god, he's not taking you to heaven with him.

 

[crabcake]

Too bad I already gave you green.

I not-so-sinfully smacked her with some.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Thank you all, especially elaine and CG.

 

[mAlice]

You're welcome.

 

[dems4me]

How can someone that has claimed to have read the Bible and studied Theology ask such a stupid question.
There is no way you could have possibly read the New Testament and not know what Paul done

A: Do you play stupid for attention ?
B: Do you have a problem comprehending what you read ?
C: Do you just like to hear yourself talk ?
D: All of the above ?

D. Ya' really got me pegged

 

[dems4me]

If you say so, but those of the Bible who proclaimed the Truth were always hated by those that were proclaimed to unless they were of the Spirit.

If I were to say it is OK to sin. Just do what ever you want and you'll still go to heaven would be very evil because it is not true.

I'll pray about it.

2A, I used to be just like you when teaching others about the word of God. I had to learn - as it too was drummed to me -- that "you attract more flies with honey..." than the way I was going about it... I understand its something close to your heart and that's fine, I too have that passion, but what may help you as has helped me in the past, is to stop and pray for the correct words before you speak. Pray before you speak, and you will notice your message comes out alot better received. It did for me... the deafer the ears my message would fall on the more determined I'd get... when all I needed to do was realize it wasn't working my way (your way too) and stop and pray for the right words.

 

[dems4me]

2A - don't feel bad... the red-devil left some red marks on me too throughout this thread... this was the latest.. at least it was funny!!!


Red Square -- Pray before you speak, and you will notice your message comes out alot better received -- please apply this to typing as well. TIA




It's a good thing I rarely type

 

[Nickel]

So, are you saying rather than to give a testimony, you feel God has called you to point out others faults through versus?

Not being sarcastic, just asking for clarification.

Apparantly it's the biblical version of "Mean Girls".

 

[K_Jo]

Apparantly it's the biblical version of "Mean Girls".

That is SO fetch!

 

[newtosomd]

If you say so, but those of the Bible who proclaimed the Truth were always hated by those that were proclaimed to unless they were of the Spirit.

If I were to say it is OK to sin. Just do what ever you want and you'll still go to heaven would be very evil because it is not true.

I'll pray about it.

2nd, I think your intentions are good and I believe it says somewhere in the Bible that God knows(is able to discern) your motives. I simply stick to the Bible. I have been taught to pray for understanding and I depend on God(Holy Spirit) to help me understand his word. I learn more every time I read.

 

[Common Sense]

I have far more common sense than most.

No, I'm pretty sure you don't. And I would know.

 

[Marie]

The Father could mean anything. I think he called himself a Shepherd too. But he was a Carpenter. Where did he himself claim to be the only base born child of "God"? Yes, I know his followers said. Yes, I know the Romans put a sign up, yes, I know the "stories" of how he was created. But what I want is where he himself declared that he was the Messiah, the Christ, not where other folks claimed it for him.

He said I am, (meaning God)This was a enough for the Pharisee to want to stone him for Blashmey.
Joh 8:58 Jesus sayd unto them, Verely, verely I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 8:59 Then tooke they vp stones, to cast at him, but Iesus hid himselfe, and went out of the Temple: And hee passed through the middes of them, and so went his way.
This is Spelled out in Exodus 3:14
Exo 3:14 And God answered Moses, I Am That I Am. Also he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

Then there was Gods Direct Claim That This Is My Son Of Whom I well pleased
at his Baptism and on two other occassions. Thats enough validation right there when God speaks.

These all support the trininty Not Christ self proffession

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heauen and the earth.
Elohim(God) in Hebrew is plural used with a singular verb

Gen 1:26 Furthermore God said, Let vs make man in our image according to our likenes, and let them rule ouer the fish of the sea, and ouer the foule of the heauen, and ouer the beastes, and ouer all the earth, and ouer euery thing that creepeth and moueth on the earth.


Gen 3:22 And the Lord God said, Beholde, the man is become as one of vs, to knowe good and euill; nowe lest he put foorth his hand, and take also of ye tree of life & eate & liue for euer,


Gen 11:7 Come on, let vs goe downe, and there confound their language, that euery one perceiue not anothers speache.


Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heauens and of the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lorde God made the earth and the heauens,


Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended vp to heauen, and descended? Who hath gathered the winde in his fist? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the endes of the world? What is his name, and what is his sonnes name, if thou canst tell?

Ecc 12:1 Remember nowe thy Creator in the daies of thy youth, whiles the euill daies come not, nor the yeeres approche, wherein thou shalt say, I haue no pleasure in them:
(original Plural Creators)
Isa 48:16 Come neere vnto me: heare ye this: I haue not spoken it in secret from the beginning: from the time that the thing was, I was there, and now the Lord God and his Spirit hath sent me.


Isa 63:9 In all their troubles he was troubled, and the Angel of his presence saued them: in his loue and in his mercie he redeemed them, and he bare them and caried them alwayes continually.
Isa 63:10 But they rebelled and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore was hee turned to be their enemie and he fought against them.

Westminister confession of faith chapt 2

III. In the unity of the Godhead there be three Persons of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.[38] The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; [39] the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son. [40]


[38] (Traditionally, I John 5:7 is placed here, but we have, for obvious reasons, omitted it in our online edition) MATT 3:16-17 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. MATT 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. II COR 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

[39] JOHN 1:14,18 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

[40] JOHN 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, He shall testify of me. GAL 4:6 And Because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.


False Veiews of the trinity are Modelism like TD Jakes Believes & Tri-Thesism

The doctrine of the trininty was made popular about the time of the council of Nicea AD 325

 

[Marie]

Dazed, instead of simply disparaging us for our beliefs, would you instead elaborate on what you believe in? I'd be interested to know what you think is the truth.

Not My Words, But this says it all a complete faith statement.

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried.
He descended into hell.
The third day He rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.
From thence He will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Christian[3] Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.[4]