Jesus is either the biggest fraud in history or He is exactly who He claims to be.

[Marie]

It is not my job in life to tell anyone what they should/should not think, feel, believe, they're going to hell, etc. And I have not told 2A his beliefs are jacked up, nor anyone else. I've simply stated (as others have) that if he is sincere in his desire to "do God's work" and "spread the word", then he ought to reconsider his choice of words and tone in doing so -- period. And not to misrepresent his "beliefs" as "facts". There is a difference, and sadly enough, there are people out there who are stupid enough to not understand the difference.

Wow What A differnt philosphy, Mine is that was the very reason we were created was to tell others, thats the whole purpose of mans exsistence!

 

[tommyjones]

Wow What A differnt philosphy, Mine is that was the very reason we were created was to tell others, thats the whole purpose of mans exsistence!

WoW, your god must really have an inferiority complex.....

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Jesus is either the biggest fraud in history or He is exactly who He claims to be.

It is unfair to make that into an either-or question because there is a large amount of middle ground.

Who Jesus claimed to be is a separate question in itself.

Jesus called himself the "son of man" and others called Him the "son of God" link HERE.

Just because the Orthodox Christianity interpretation of Christ is wrong does not make Jesus into a fraud.

 

[Giantone]

It is unfair to make that into an either-or question because there is a large amount of middle ground.

Who Jesus claimed to be is a separate question in itself.

Jesus called himself the "son of man" and others called Him the "son of God" link HERE.

Just because the Orthodox Christianity interpretation of Christ is wrong does not make Jesus into a fraud.

I will admit if anyone knows fraud it would be you .You constant babble proves you to be an ignorant fruad and abuser.

 

[2ndAmendment]

It is unfair to make that into an either-or question because there is a large amount of middle ground.

Who Jesus claimed to be is a separate question in itself.

Jesus called himself the "son of man" and others called Him the "son of God" link HERE.

Just because the Orthodox Christianity interpretation of Christ is wrong does not make Jesus into a fraud.

There is no middle ground when it comes to Jesus. He said so. He said if you are lukewarm He will spit you out of His mouth.

Revelation 3:14-24

14"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:

15'I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot.

16'So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.

17'Because you say, "I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing," and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked,

18I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.

19'Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.

20'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

21'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

22'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'"

You are either for Him or against Him.

 

[JPC sr]

There is no middle ground when it comes to Jesus. He said so. He said if you are lukewarm He will spit you out of His mouth.

You are either for Him or against Him.

That is mis-using the text.

Being "Laodicean lukewarm" link HERE does not mean that we must accept the Orthodox Christian interpretation of Jesus or else it is a fraud.

That was the point, and it still is the topic of this thread.

 

[Giantone]

That is mis-using the text.

Being "Laodicean lukewarm" link HERE does not mean that we must accept the Orthodox Christian interpretation of Jesus or else it is a fraud.

That was the point, and it still is the topic of this thread.

Since you act like you know all ,what do you think Jesus would think about how you treated your family,how you ran out on your son , or ran out when your ex dying of cancer asked for help with your own son and you refused to help,or how you promote child neglect and abuse by telling parents not to pay child support???

 

[Giantone]

You are either for Him or against Him.

Amen!

 

[2ndAmendment]

Jesus is either the... 10-09-2007 07:23 PM if you knew anything, you would know that god does not need our praise or us forcing his word on others. God will help people, you will only disgrace his name with your hate. TJ

TJ (tommyjones),
I don't hate anyone. If you knew me, you would know that. But I will not assume a politically correct stance on the Bible. The Bible is the Word of God. It stands and I stand on it.

We are instructed to praise God in the Bible.

Psalm 100
All Men Exhorted to Praise God.
A Psalm for Thanksgiving.
1Shout joyfully to the LORD, all the earth.
2Serve the LORD with gladness;
Come before Him with joyful singing.
3Know that the LORD Himself is God;
It is He who has made us, and not we ourselves;
We are His people and the sheep of His pasture.
4Enter His gates with thanksgiving
And His courts with praise
Give thanks to Him, bless His name.
5For the LORD is good;
His lovingkindness is everlasting
And His faithfulness to all generations.

Psalm 150
A Psalm of Praise.
1Praise the LORD!
Praise God in His sanctuary;
Praise Him in His mighty expanse.
2Praise Him for His mighty deeds;
Praise Him according to His excellent greatness.
3Praise Him with trumpet sound;
Praise Him with harp and lyre.
4Praise Him with timbrel and dancing;
Praise Him with stringed instruments and pipe.
5Praise Him with loud cymbals;
Praise Him with resounding cymbals.
6Let everything that has breath praise the LORD.
Praise the LORD!

We are to proclaim the Gospel in season and out, in other words, all the time to everyone.

Matthew 28:18-20

18And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

19"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

20teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

2 Timothy 4:1-4
"Preach the Word"
1I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom:

2preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.

3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,

4and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

The words "reprove, rebuke, exhort" are not exactly passive are they?

Main Entry: re·prove
Pronunciation: <tt>ri-'prüv</tt>
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): re·proved; re·prov·ing
Etymology: Middle English repreven, reproven, from Anglo-French reprover, from Late Latin reprobare to disapprove, condemn, from Latin re- + probare to test, approve -- more at [SIZE=-1]PROVE[/SIZE]
transitive verb
1 : to scold or correct usually gently or with kindly intent
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3 obsolete : [SIZE=-1]DISPROVE[/SIZE], [SIZE=-1]REFUTE[/SIZE]
4 obsolete : [SIZE=-1]CONVINCE[/SIZE], [SIZE=-1]CONVICT[/SIZE]
intransitive verb : to express rebuke or reproof
- re·prov·er noun
- re·prov·ing·ly /<tt>-'prü-vi[ng]-lE</tt>/ adverb
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Main Entry: ¹re·buke
Pronunciation: <tt>ri-'byük</tt>
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): re·buked; re·buk·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French rebucher, rebouker to blunt, check, reprimand
1 a : to criticize sharply : [SIZE=-1]REPRIMAND[/SIZE] b : to serve as a rebuke to
2 : to turn back or keep down : [SIZE=-1]CHECK[/SIZE]
synonym see [SIZE=-1]REPROVE[/SIZE]
- re·buk·er noun <!-- The Heathline Ads --> <script type="text/javascript"> <!-- var healthlineSearchTerm = "rebuke"; var healthlineHost = 'www.healthline.com'; --> </script> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.healthline.com/js/partner/mw/link.js"></script>

Main Entry: ex·hort
Pronunciation: <tt>ig-'zort</tt>
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French exorter, from Latin exhortari, from ex- + hortari to incite -- more at [SIZE=-1]YEARN[/SIZE]
transitive verb : to incite by argument or advice : urge strongly <exhorting voters to do the right thing>
intransitive verb : to give warnings or advice : make urgent appeals
- ex·hort·er noun

 

[tommyjones]

TJ (tommyjones),
I don't hate anyone. If you knew me, you would know that. But I will not assume a politically correct stance on the Bible. The Bible is the Word of God. It stands and I stand on it.

We are instructed to praise God in the Bible.We are to proclaim the Gospel in season and out, in other words, all the time to everyone.
The words "reprove, rebuke, exhort" are not exactly passive are they?</the></gently></it>

word of men about their feelings on god.

I could say that god directed me to write this, doesn't make it so.....

and i've read your posts, you hate plenty

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Since you act like you know all ,what do you think Jesus would think about how you treated your family,

Well I have repented of my wrong doing to the best of my abilities and I am open to do more in that regard if I find more to do.

My repentance is because Jesus said to repent or else I would still be lost and confused.

So I hope that Jesus aproves of my efforts to repent as I feel very grateful to Him for telling me to do that and making it posible that I could do it.

It is never too late, but the later one repents the harsher it is - told from experience.

how you ran out on your son ,

That does pain me and I wish there was some way to fix that.

He needed his father and I was not there. Pitiful indeed.

or ran out when your ex dying of cancer asked for help with your own son and you refused to help,

I did not do that. My ex was already married again and had another child and I her dying of cancer was a surprise to me. I heard she was sick but she was only 37 and I never expected her to die.

Our son was 17 at that time.

There was nothing I could have done for her anyway.

or how you promote child neglect and abuse by telling parents not to pay child support???

In my perspective we all have a religious and moral duty that over-rides the demands of society or of the gov,

and that is especially true when the society standard is corrupt and the gov is unjust and morally destructive as they are in the child support system.

The children are not neglected nor abused by not receiving the child support and it is sinful to voluntarily pay a thief.

The population has a right to protect themselves from the thieving gov and I promote that.

 

[2ndAmendment]

word of men about their feelings on god.

I could say that god directed me to write this, doesn't make it so.....

and i've read your posts, you hate plenty

So you don't believe the Bible? OK. I accept that. We have no common grounds of communication on God.

I love enough to tell the Truth and not peddle what people want to hear. Is it hate or love to tell someone they seem to be on the road to perdition? Is it love or hate to tell someone that it is OK to do anything they like because everyone goes to heaven?

I don't expect you to agree with me, because we do not have a common frame of reference.

 

[tommyjones]

So you don't believe the Bible? OK. I accept that. We have no common grounds of communication on God.

I love enough to tell the Truth and not peddle what people want to hear. Is it hate or love to tell someone they seem to be on the road to perdition? Is it love or hate to tell someone that it is OK to do anything they like because everyone goes to heaven?

I don't expect you to agree with me, because we do not have a common frame of reference.

I believe in the bible, i just understand that it is not the word of god, but instead the words of people.


Just because you claim its the "truth" doesn't mean its not hateful.

discrimination, hate and judging are not christian values, too bad so many think htey are just following the word of god when they do these things

 

[2ndAmendment]

I believe in the bible, i just understand that it is not the word of god, but instead the words of people.


Just because you claim its the "truth" doesn't mean its not hateful.

discrimination, hate and judging are not christian values, too bad so many think htey are just following the word of god when they do these things

You say you believe in the Bible but not as the word of God. It is just another book, so what would you know of Christian values when Christian values are defined in the Bible.

Discrimination and hate are in the Bible. In some instances as examples of what not to do. In some instances as what to do as in "hate sin," discern between good an evil. Judging of others is many fold. Christians are to act as judges in some instances where Christian and Christian are involved. Christians are warned not to judge non believers. Christians are also told that Christians will be the judges in the life to come. If you read the Bible, you would know these things.

So many say the Bible says this or that or talk of Christian values without the knowledge of actually having read the Bible.

 

[tommyjones]

You say you believe in the Bible but not as the word of God. It is just another book, so what would you know of Christian values when Christian values are defined in the Bible.

Discrimination and hate are in the Bible. In some instances as examples of what not to do. In some instances as what to do as in "hate sin," discern between good an evil. Judging of others is many fold. Christians are to act as judges in some instances where Christian and Christian are involved. Christians are warned not to judge non believers. Christians are also told that Christians will be the judges in the life to come. If you read the Bible, you would know these things.

So many say the Bible says this or that or talk of Christian values without the knowledge of actually having read the Bible.

and some many try to use the bible to justify their hate.
keep it up and you WILL find yourself being judged, not doing the judging as you are now.

 

[2ndAmendment]

and some many try to use the bible to justify their hate.
keep it up and you WILL find yourself being judged, not doing the judging as you are now.

Thanks for judging.

Again, I don't hate anyone. I dislike some. I don't know you, but I don't find you and the way you post appealing. Your intellect seems like it might be lacking by the manner in which you post. That may not be the case, but it is my first impression of you.

Even though you don't know me, you obviously don't like me because you are attacking me. That is OK; I expect it from non believers.

I tell people the Truth from the Bible. I believe the Bible. It is my source of absolute Truth. It defines what sin is. It instructs Christians on how to live and what to do. You say I hate by proclaiming the Truth from scripture. I say it is love. In some cases, hard love, but love just the same.

I pray you find salvation through Jesus and the Truth of God's word, and I bid you goodbye. Which by the way, through word history means God be with you.

 

[tommyjones]

Thanks for judging.

Again, I don't hate anyone. I dislike some. I don't know you, but I don't find you and the way you post appealing. Your intellect seems like it might be lacking by the manner in which you post. That may not be the case, but it is my first impression of you.

Even though you don't know me, you obviously don't like me because you are attacking me. That is OK; I expect it from non believers.

I tell people the Truth from the Bible. I believe the Bible. It is my source of absolute Truth. It defines what sin is. It instructs Christians on how to live and what to do. You say I hate by proclaiming the Truth from scripture. I say it is love. In some cases, hard love, but love just the same.

I pray you find salvation through Jesus and the Truth of God's word, and I bid you goodbye. Which by the way, through word history means God be with you.

I say you hate becasue you are filled with hate and judgement, if you think thats the "truth" in the bible i urge you to read more closely.

your intellect is obviously lacking considering you can't think for yourself, try reading critically sometime, you just might find that you are not so in line with the spirit of the bible and christianity.

now back to your judging

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

We are to judge between right and wrong link HERE.

When Christ said not to judge he was only telling the guilty to stop it link HERE, the righteous want to be judged.

 

[This_person]

We are to judge between right and wrong link HERE.

When Christ said not to judge he was only telling the guilty to stop it link HERE, the righteous want to be judged.

Who do you suppose he sees as guiltless of sin? Do you think Jesus sees any human as having no sin, and there fore has no beam in his own eye?

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Who do you suppose he sees as guiltless of sin? Do you think Jesus sees any human as having no sin, and there fore has no beam in his own eye?

Those that do as Christ said and repent and make ammends as in taking the beam out of our own eye and then the sin is gone.

Jesus gives absolution through repentance.

Thus guiltless and innocent there-after.

When I judge others then I expect to be judged myself, and rightly so.