Know anyone quitting over the Federal Employee vaccine mandate?

[OccamsRazor]

How come you went to SS benefits instead of welfare benefits. Not arguing or anything, just wondered about the reasoning.

My initial reply (as you are referring to) was because it is easy to tell someone to "stand up" or "Walk away" when it is NOT your life/family/money on the line. I took a guess that this person is probably of the age where SS or retirement income is being had. The proverbial "Put YOUR money where your mouth is."

 

[Merlin99]

My initial reply (as you are referring to) was because it is easy to tell someone to "stand up" or "Walk away" when it is NOT your life/family/money on the line. I took a guess that this person is probably of the age where SS or retirement income is being had. The proverbial "Put YOUR money where your mouth is."

I'm sorry the question really should have gone to OccamsRazor since he'd asked the original question.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

And what if the administration put forth an action that states "Get the jab or no SS benefits?" or implemented a tax on retirement unless you got the jab?

Couldn't if they wanted, equal protection clause of the Constitution.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

My initial reply (as you are referring to) was because it is easy to tell someone to "stand up" or "Walk away" when it is NOT your life/family/money on the line. I took a guess that this person is probably of the age where SS or retirement income is being had. The proverbial "Put YOUR money where your mouth is."

So you are assuming something not known? I've walked off many a job for reasons that went against by beliefs when employed, (without another job lined up), and stopped serving customers, or refused to return to a repeat customer, as self-employed, for a variety of reasons. What you fail to understand, is that I, and many others, have lived life knowing that there are, and will be, times where the rubber meets the road, decisions must be made, and have planned accordingly, so as to not put self/family financial matters in harms way, when any affront to self determination is hindered. I am sure, you, and the majority of this Nation, have not lived as I and others have, as I can sense you are of those that live above your means and as a result fear any retaliation or reduction to your standard of living, and lack the courage to stand and fight for your beliefs for that very fear of losing those measly scraps from the table of your masters.

 

[Grumpy]

If I may ...


So you are assuming something not known? I've walked off many a job for reasons that went against by beliefs when employed, (without another job lined up), and stopped serving customers, or refused to return to a repeat customer, as self-employed, for a variety of reasons. What you fail to understand, is that I, and many others, have lived life knowing that there are, and will be, times where the rubber meets the road, decisions must be made, and have planned accordingly, so as to not put self/family financial matters in harms way, when any affront to self determination is hindered. I am sure, you, and the majority of this Nation, have not lived as I and others have, as I can sense you are of those that live above your means and as a result fear any retaliation or reduction to your standard of living, and lack the courage to stand and fight for your beliefs for that very fear of losing those measly scraps from the table of your masters.

Making alot of assumptions yourself there, bubba.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

Making alot of assumptions yourself there, bubba.

Yup. I figured I'd give back what I got.

 

[HemiHauler]

And what if the administration put forth an action that states "Get the jab or no SS benefits?" or implemented a tax on retirement unless you got the jab?

Social Security is a welfare program run by the federal government. No one has a natural right to receive money from the program, it is a benefit (welfare is a better term) funded by government.

As such, the government can amend the rules any time for any reason.

Now it would be political suicide to be certain. But by and large, the government can change the rules and run the program as they see fit.

 

[Grumpy]

Social Security is a welfare program run by the federal government. No one has a natural right to receive money from the program, it is a benefit (welfare is a better term) funded by government.

Here ya go, you're an idiot

 

[HemiHauler]

Here ya go, you're an idiot
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Folks always get so angry when hit with a truth bomb. This one in particular brings out the worst in people.

 

[Grumpy]

Folks always get so angry when hit with a truth bomb. This one in particular brings out the worst in people.

Tell me why you aren't an idiot, I'm curious with your rationale about Social Security? It's a moot point, really, but I want to hear you out.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Social Security is a welfare program run by the federal government. No one has a natural right to receive money from the program, it is a benefit (welfare is a better term) funded by government.

As such, the government can amend the rules any time for any reason.

Now it would be political suicide to be certain. But by and large, the government can change the rules and run the program as they see fit.

If they refunded my money I put in and stop taking it, I'd happily give it up.

Until that point, yes I'd be angry, very angry.

 

[HemiHauler]

Tell me why you aren't an idiot, I'm curious with your rationale about Social Security? It's a moot point, really, but I want to hear you out.

There are many reasons I'm an idiot, many of them valid -- just ask my wife.

But stating my position that SS is welfare is not one of them. There is nothing wrong with what we might characterize as "traditional welfare" - temporary help in a time of extreme need, or however one might describe it. What we generally dislike is the generational aspect of it - kids of life-long recipients going on to run the same game. They know how the system works and how to extract maximum benefits, etc.

Socialist Insecurity is NO DIFFERENT. There is no real way to opt out and it is generational. The government is taking from some and giving to others. When you have SS withheld, it's not like it's put in a numbered account with your name on it. It is given to others under the threat of a gun by government.

You don't seem like the type likely to change your views given new information, so no tome today.

A much better solution to SS is Universal Basic Income, but we'll cover that another day.

 

[GURPS]

A much better solution to SS is Universal Basic Income, but we'll cover that another day.

I doubt it ... we have seen what happens when people can collect the equivalent of $ 15 bucks an hour to do nothing

10 million jobs unfulfilled ... wage offerings are up, lazy millennials are still at home

 

[HemiHauler]

I doubt it ... we have seen what happens when people can collect the equivalent of $ 15 bucks an hour to do nothing

10 million jobs unfulfilled ... wage offerings are up, lazy millennials are still at home

Exactly, job landscape has changed and is changing dramatically. We're moving rapidly towards a top-tier, highly paid knowledge worker class and and a lower-tier person-to-person service worker class, think healthcare and similar industries. Traditional service industries are getting replaced by robots, the non-human ones.

 

[GURPS]

..... and and a lower-tier person-to-person service worker class,

To be filled by imported Biden Voters ..... in the major cities

 

[HemiHauler]

To be filled by imported Biden Voters ..... in the major cities

Ah yes ... as usual, can't even set your tribalism aside for just a moment.

Carry on...

 

[GURPS]

Ah yes ... as usual, can't even set your tribalism aside for just a moment.

you are going to sit there and tell me all these illegal immigrants, where allowed, are going to be voting Republican

 

[HemiHauler]

you are going to sit there and tell me all these illegal immigrants, where allowed, are going to be voting Republican

You're boring. Go find some flying bugs you can pull the wings off and watch them die slowly.

 

[OccamsRazor]

Exactly, job landscape has changed and is changing dramatically. We're moving rapidly towards a top-tier, highly paid knowledge worker class and and a lower-tier person-to-person service worker class, think healthcare and similar industries. Traditional service industries are getting replaced by robots, the non-human ones.

I can see the point you are trying to make. My question is what happened to all of these people who left their jobs? There has been no spike in employment (thinking they moved on to better jobs) and there has been no spike in enrollment in higher education institutions (thinking they enrolled to get better educated to get better positions) so.... where did all of these people go?

 

[OccamsRazor]

If I may ...


So you are assuming something not known? I've walked off many a job for reasons that went against by beliefs when employed, (without another job lined up), and stopped serving customers, or refused to return to a repeat customer, as self-employed, for a variety of reasons. What you fail to understand, is that I, and many others, have lived life knowing that there are, and will be, times where the rubber meets the road, decisions must be made, and have planned accordingly, so as to not put self/family financial matters in harms way, when any affront to self determination is hindered. I am sure, you, and the majority of this Nation, have not lived as I and others have, as I can sense you are of those that live above your means and as a result fear any retaliation or reduction to your standard of living, and lack the courage to stand and fight for your beliefs for that very fear of losing those measly scraps from the table of your masters.

I'm still willing to bet that you are currently collecting some form of SS or retirement and if it came to pass that these were threatened, you wouldn't be so bold in your thoughts or actions.