LETS CANCEL SPACEX's CONTRACTS!!!!

Clem72

Well-Known Member
Doubt that, but I would have to know what you mean by "personal favor impropriety optics". As it pertained to me most of what I would call "waste" came from projects being unable to keep to their scheduled test event timing resulting in overtime or sit around and wait time, but they got the bill, not us.
My favorite example of waste for competed contracts, that I personally saw dozens and dozens of times, was to propose a half-arsed solution that sounds plausible to people without knowledge of the system/requirements and lowball the cost. Then spin your wheels for a year, spend all the money, and pull the "one more contract mod will fix it" approach until the system is finally delivered years late and multiple times the original budget.

And for contractors who don't need to compete because they have been the sole source for 20-30-40 years and are the only ones with the knowledge, documentation, etc. to actually do the job. They don't even bother to pretend to be reasonable. "Sorry, it's $100k to update a drawing, even if it's just to change the date". Oh, you'll do it yourself? Okay, pay us $50k and will deliver the drawing package as required based on inherited CDRL specifications from 1983. Have fun scanning and editing this 22x34 plotter paper drawing.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Huh? You are saying it is incumbent on the person who has the opportunity and stands to profit to make sure they don't profit?
Well, at least you admit that there is a chance for it to happen which is exactly what I am saying.

Another reason you need SpaceX.


If you are going to need a crap load of battle sats, who do think can make them? The people who make 2-3 sats every five years or the company that's building 120 a month? And has rapid design baked into its core principles. Yeah, lead with that....
 

WingsOfGold

Well-Known Member
Must have done a correspondence course while riding Amtrak.
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22AcaciaAve

Well-Known Member
I'm not critical of DOGE because...I agree with it. I WANT it. I VOTED for it. That it makes little proggies cry is just a bonus. Honestly it never occurred to me that would be the hill Democrats want to die on.

DOGE has firmly cemented Democrats as the Party of waste, fraud, and abuse. Also the Party of violence and domestic terrorism. They - not just Dembot voters, but Dembot elected officials - openly cheer for this on camera and in their own words on social media.

Conservatives telling them they need to stop - yeah, STFU with that, you pantywaists. Let them show the world what they are, particularly American voters. Let them be the Party of terrorism and theft. Force them to run on that and stop giving them advice. They're doing just fine peachy keen.

I am not in disagreement with you as far as rooting out waste and fraud. But I am in disagreement with the way it is being done. We have a person who destroyed Twitter for the fun of it and is now doing the same to the government. Conservatives, and especially Reagan conservatives, have understood that government needs to be limited, but they also understood that government is a necessary part of a great society.

I don't know what MAGA has transformed into. I am not part of that. I guess that makes me the enemy. I am conservative. I agree with a lot of President Trump's policies. I voted for him. But I suppose that disagreeing with any one of his puts me on the enemy list. Sorry to hear that. I haven't agreed with all of any President's policies in my life. I have my own mind and I do not walk in lock step of any political party.

The MAGA movement can't conceive of doing anything that their President does not support. And they bitch about the progressive, woke democrats who do the same thing. 70% of America is either MAGA, or Democrat. That leaves the rest of us in the 30% to try to figure out how to best neutralize the radical parts of both parties. It's not easy.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
I am not in disagreement with you as far as rooting out waste and fraud. But I am in disagreement with the way it is being done. We have a person who destroyed Twitter for the fun of it and is now doing the same to the government. Conservatives, and especially Reagan conservatives, have understood that government needs to be limited, but they also understood that government is a necessary part of a great society.

I don't know what MAGA has transformed into. I am not part of that. I guess that makes me the enemy. I am conservative. I agree with a lot of President Trump's policies. I voted for him. But I suppose that disagreeing with any one of his puts me on the enemy list. Sorry to hear that. I haven't agreed with all of any President's policies in my life. I have my own mind and I do not walk in lock step of any political party.

The MAGA movement can't conceive of doing anything that their President does not support. And they bitch about the progressive, woke democrats who do the same thing. 70% of America is either MAGA, or Democrat. That leaves the rest of us in the 30% to try to figure out how to best neutralize the radical parts of both parties. It's not easy.

Funny you should mention that.


For fun? You think he did that for fun? Again, you seem to be letting your emotions regarding Musk override your logic. And I get that it is messy. Keep in mind, they are fighting the Blob that Stossel speaks so well about. And you never take the Blob on head on and never by their own rules.

Just like the reno of a old house, its going to be messy. Papering over the Blob doesn't work. Once you work within the Blobs rules, setting up selection boards and committees and 5,000 pages or paper for each real act done, you are done. The Blob has you. You have to get down to the framing and cut out the rotten parts.

Does anyone really think our tax code needs to over 6,000 pages? With the regulations covering those 6,000 pages making it over 75,000 freaking pages? Do we really need 2,000 federal agencies? Do you think any of this accumulated crap will ever go away without the chainsaw? By the time your first scalpel cut is planned the Blob will have your hand wrapped up in so much red tape you never cut a thing.

How many Presidents have tried the committee and scalpel route? Clinton did okay, but that was before hyper partisanship became a thing. And he had the "peace dividend" to help him along.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Oh, look here. One booster did two NASA satellites and then 9 days later launched with a bunch of nro star shield satellites. Sure would suck to lose that capability wouldn't it. Can we put this cancel SpaceX contracts b******* behind us at this point? Do you understand exactly how badly we need them? Everybody else in the world is throwing boosters away at the end of every mission.


 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
For your consideration ...


I am not in disagreement with you as far as rooting out waste and fraud. But I am in disagreement with the way it is being done. We have a person who destroyed Twitter for the fun of it and is now doing the same to the government. Conservatives, and especially Reagan conservatives, have understood that government needs to be limited, but they also understood that government is a necessary part of a great society.

I don't know what MAGA has transformed into. I am not part of that. I guess that makes me the enemy. I am conservative. I agree with a lot of President Trump's policies. I voted for him. But I suppose that disagreeing with any one of his puts me on the enemy list. Sorry to hear that. I haven't agreed with all of any President's policies in my life. I have my own mind and I do not walk in lock step of any political party.

The MAGA movement can't conceive of doing anything that their President does not support. And they bitch about the progressive, woke democrats who do the same thing. 70% of America is either MAGA, or Democrat. That leaves the rest of us in the 30% to try to figure out how to best neutralize the radical parts of both parties. It's not easy.


Pray tell, how did he destroy it? It is way better now than it was before.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
But I am in disagreement with the way it is being done.

I keep hearing the leftprogs say that but they never say what specifically should be done instead. Shutting down programs and stopping payments to bogus entities - what other way would it be done?
We have a person who destroyed Twitter for the fun of it

Why do you say that? Twitter wasn't destroyed. The only thing that changed is now conservatives get to use it too and won't be banned for their opinions.

and is now doing the same to the government

There's still plenty of government. Too much. More chainsaw is needed.

But I suppose that disagreeing with any one of his puts me on the enemy list.

It's what you disagree with and your method of expressing yourself that outs you as a hater. Disagreeing with making government more efficient and weeding out the fraud and waste....that's a loser take because that's one of the specific reasons most people voted for Trump.

The nonstop griping about Elon Musk is just infantile parrotism. "Oh, nobody elected him!" Yeah, nobody elects any of them - the President appoints them. It was that way for previous presidents as well. "Oh, Elon Musk is a Nazi!" Yeah, he's totally invading countries and shoveling people into ovens.....GTFOH with that mindless nonsense.

The MAGA movement can't conceive of doing anything that their President does not support.

MAGA *is* Trump. He invented that and took his cues from what We the People said we wanted. Why would we go against what we said we wanted? That's Democrats you're thinking of.

And they bitch about the progressive, woke democrats who do the same thing.

MAGA isn't torching cars, vandalizing property, and assaulting people. Trump and Republican officials aren't out there calling for the literal death of anyone and encouraging people to assault any opposition they encounter. If you can't see the difference, you are indeed part of the problem and not "independent" in any demonstrable way.
 

OccamsRazor

Well-Known Member
Opportunity?...yes...Probability of it happening? Doubtful...
There has been an OPPORTUNITY for bad things to happen under Biden & Obama...AND THEY DID HAPPEN...
It MIGHT happen now, definitely happened in the past but... WILL CERTAINLY NOT happen in the future. Got it! :yay:
As far as clarifying an opinion on what you believe...what is it that you believe? You won't even clarify that...you PREFER to keep it vague...
Its all laid out in my posts here. Maybe go back and read it all before rabidly rushing to post a nonsense rebuke.
BTW...your last 2 on that list are NOT facts...those are YOUR assumptions...which is why nobody here wishes to play your little obfuscation games...you're a fraud, just like any other Democrat...
So, DJT does NOT accept Musk's findings. DJT does NOT make decisions based on Musk's findings. And, Musk absolutely CANNOT profit from any decisions DJT makes based on those findings. Got it :yay:
 

seekeroftruth

Well-Known Member
I read [AI probably] that we are going to shoot rockets off the coast of Alaska. It's supposed to be [AI probably] an experiment concerning the aurora.

Now I've also read [AI probably] that Putin is building a system that will allow him to fire rockets from a satellite and target anywhere on earth.

I would assume China is working on the same technology.

Will we be busy monitoring who can read what books in what library [AI probably] or who has what under their skirt, so that we don't put our money in the pot to protect ourselves against Putin's rockets?

Are we testing the story [AI probably] by firing off a couple rockets of our own? Did we hear that you can see Russian from Alaska?

I think muskythump has one good idea. Musk already has rockets. The US already has satellites. Muskythump could build us a system better than theirs. After all we are America, the greatest nation on earth!

So my vote.... goes with keeping muskythump working on the Space Program thump started during his first term.

:coffee:
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
I am not in disagreement with you as far as rooting out waste and fraud. But I am in disagreement with the way it is being done. We have a person who destroyed Twitter for the fun of it and is now doing the same to the government. Conservatives, and especially Reagan conservatives, have understood that government needs to be limited, but they also understood that government is a necessary part of a great society.

I don't know what MAGA has transformed into. I am not part of that. I guess that makes me the enemy. I am conservative. I agree with a lot of President Trump's policies. I voted for him. But I suppose that disagreeing with any one of his puts me on the enemy list. Sorry to hear that. I haven't agreed with all of any President's policies in my life. I have my own mind and I do not walk in lock step of any political party.

The MAGA movement can't conceive of doing anything that their President does not support. And they bitch about the progressive, woke democrats who do the same thing. 70% of America is either MAGA, or Democrat. That leaves the rest of us in the 30% to try to figure out how to best neutralize the radical parts of both parties. It's not easy.
He probably has two years to get changes made that have to last, so he's taking a weedeater to the whole thing. It's not all going to hold up, probably about half, but that's more than anyone has tried ever. As for the last paragraph he's been in office for three months, they haven't had a chance to see if they have any ideas that run counter to his, give them a chance before you condemn the whole bunch.
 

BOP

Well-Known Member
Isn't this EXACTLY what Obama & Biden did with Zuckerburg & Bill Gates?
Oh that's right!!!....they forgot to be TRANSPARENT with the American People when they actually did this!!!

Or do you believe Gates HASN'T been entrenched in what you describe when it comes to health & vaccines? While profiting from the Gov't using his Microsoft products?
Or do you believe Zuckeberg & Dorsey weren't entrenched in making Policy regarding Misinformation & Disinformation...while profiting from the Gov't's use of their products?

So, to answer your question truthfully...I'm good with Elon being right where he is....I VOTED FOR IT...
The rest of us ought to get free MS products and lifetime support for the amount of money that the Gov't spends, not only on MS products, including the OS and Office suites, but upgrading those to meet Gov't specific requirements, since it can't be used COTS.
 

herb749

Well-Known Member
He probably has two years to get changes made that have to last, so he's taking a weedeater to the whole thing. It's not all going to hold up, probably about half, but that's more than anyone has tried ever. As for the last paragraph he's been in office for three months, they haven't had a chance to see if they have any ideas that run counter to his, give them a chance before you condemn the whole bunch.


I looked it up. In 2022, 23 & 24 Biden added 1.4 million federal jobs. Half that total in 2024 alone. They can start there with letting people go.
 

BOP

Well-Known Member
Ah ok, I use to travel all the time and contractors were most of my labor pool.

In the case I mentioned above I wanted to ride their bus because I had never been on travel before and had no clue what to do. It also pissed them off because they had to go everywhere together and here was this kid with the freedom to do whatever he wanted over those two weeks.
Like everything else the Government is involved in, it's a lot more complicated and nuanced than it first appears. On top of that, like anything written in stone and brought down from the mountain, ask 10 different Governement employees any question about any edict, and you'll get 13 different answers. At least.

It can provide the appearance of a "gift" from the contractor to the government employee for the contractor to offer transportation. Even when not in an official capacity, such as to or from a meeting, site inspection, or whatever. Say, going to lunch when the meeting breaks up for that purpose.

The rule of thumb I always heard was "government employees may ride with contractors (on reimbursable contracts), but contractors may not ride with government workers on same."

Like I said, 13 different answers.

The government is reimbursing the contractor for transportation. It saves the government money from having to also pay the GS back for separate transportation. If the GS is driving, and the contractor is along for the ride, that's misappropriation because they're riding for free AND getting reimbursed for travel.

Even if they're not claiming it - and, by and large, I've found contractors to be straight-forward and scrupulous about such things - as OC keeps harping, it's the optics of the thing.

I've been told that even meetings out in town where services contractors are going to a facility that's been rented from a (presumably) 3rd party contractor (not involved in the program's business), that could be one of those optics things. Which is BS, because I'm not getting reimbursed by the government for travel, and neither is my contractor buddy I'm driving or riding with.

Related: I've seen the Gov't do things that cost the Gov't (taxpayers) MORE money, because of their interpretation of regulations. I went round-and-round with the Navy travel officer, who argued that what I was trying to do with my travel plans violated the JTR. Her mistake was sending me what she thought was the relevant passage from the JTR. I looked through it, and read around it, and it said no such thing. I went over her head (which I would have never dreamed of doing while I was in uniform), and her commander (O-5) told the lieutenant (O-3) to calm down. Er, stand down. Yeah, yeah, that's what I meant.

I had sent him the spreadsheet showing where what she wanted to deny would have cost the Government almost half again as much money. The same spreadsheet I had sent her.

Lieutenants - can't live with them, and fragging them will get you brig time. Or stockade time.
 

BOP

Well-Known Member
I looked it up. In 2022, 23 & 24 Biden added 1.4 million federal jobs. Half that total in 2024 alone. They can start there with letting people go.
I'd like to see that link. What you're saying is that he doubled the work force.

Of course, that's coming from a guy who claimed that people going back to work after the plandemic was "job creation."
 
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