LETS CANCEL SPACEX's CONTRACTS!!!!

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OccamsRazor

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BOP said:
Even if they're not claiming it - and, by and large, I've found contractors to be straight-forward and scrupulous about such things - as OC keeps harping, it's the optics of the thing.

I've been told that even meetings out in town where services contractors are going to a facility that's been rented from a (presumably) 3rd party contractor (not involved in the program's business), that could be one of those optics things. Which is BS, because I'm not getting reimbursed by the government for travel, and neither is my contractor buddy I'm driving or riding with.
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Not JUST the optics but, the repercussions....

What happens if Contractor buddy is riding with you AND that famous SOMD bad driver T-bones the vehicle?
 
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CPUSA

CPUSA

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OccamsRazor said:
It MIGHT happen now, definitely happened in the past but... WILL CERTAINLY NOT happen in the future. Got it! :yay: That is definitely a stretch...As well as your own delusional lie....

Its all laid out in my posts here. Maybe go back and read it all before rabidly rushing to post a nonsense rebuke. If that were the case, everyone would be able to clearly see it...yet, nobody can...the onus is on you for that one...You're about as clear as a mud puddle...

So, DJT does NOT accept Musk's findings. DJT does NOT make decisions based on Musk's findings. And, Musk absolutely CANNOT profit from any decisions DJT makes based on those findings. Got it :yay: There you go, reaching for the stars again...are you related to SMC79? You sound like a twin of theirs....
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You know what? You do you booboo...I'm done entertaining retards...at the end of the day, you're still a retard...there really is no hope for you

And you dodged your assumptions that you claimed are facts...that alone tells everyone you're a waste of our time...
Here's a dollar kid...now go away. Us adults have things to discuss that you obviously know NOTHING about...
 
BOP

BOP

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OccamsRazor said:
Not JUST the optics but, the repercussions....

What happens if Contractor buddy is riding with you AND that famous SOMD bad driver T-bones the vehicle?
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A valid question, however, it's no doubt resolved the way these things always get resolved - with the policy holder getting screwed and the insurance company reducing their "exposure," as they say.

I honestly can't recall if that was ever a consideration.

It used to be that I'd talk to contractors, and former contractors, as well as retired GS'ers. It never failed to amaze me at how little they apparently retained of the knowledge they'd accumulated over most of a lifetime. A buddy of mine serves as an example. He was military for a regular tour. Supply chain management, overseas. He then went to work as a GS'er; retired as a 14. He then put in enough time as a services contractor - both in logistics positions.

I'd ask him a question that he should have known then answer to, and he would say "it's like a sort of amnesia that creeps in, once you retire."

I've been retired for 5 and a half years now, and I now know where he's coming from. I struggle to remember basic terms and concepts that I could (and probably did) rattle off in my sleep. Some days, I think I'm turning into Joe Biden levels of senility.
 
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OccamsRazor

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CPUSA said:
You know what? You do you booboo...I'm done entertaining retards...at the end of the day, you're still a retard...there really is no hope for you

And you dodged your assumptions that you claimed are facts...that alone tells everyone you're a waste of our time...
Here's a dollar kid...now go away. Us adults have things to discuss that you obviously know NOTHING about...
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Literally agreed with everything you said and still... vitriol. You be you. Stay classy!
 
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OccamsRazor

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BOP said:
A valid question, however, it's no doubt resolved the way these things always get resolved - with the policy holder getting screwed and the insurance company reducing their "exposure," as they say.
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The path that I was alluding to was where the CTR buddy tries to sue the GOV if injured. Would/could that be a thing??
 
CPUSA

CPUSA

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OccamsRazor said:
Literally agreed with everything you said and still... vitriol. You be you. Stay classy!
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No, you didn't Patches O'Hoolihan...you re-worded what I said to suit YOUR narrative...then ACKNOWLEDGED it as though that's what I said...but never said, "you know what? I see your point and agree with it." ...THAT would be LITERALLY agreeing with it...
Here kid, have another dollar and go the phuck away...you're not smart enough to play this word association game with me...or even 5 yr olds...
 
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OccamsRazor

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No, you didn't Patches O'Hoolihan...you re-worded what I said to suit YOUR narrative...then ACKNOWLEDGED it as though that's what I said...but never said, "you know what? I see your point and agree with it." ...THAT would be LITERALLY agreeing with it...
Here kid, have another dollar and go the phuck away...you're not smart enough to play this word association game with me...or even 5 yr olds...
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OccamsRazor

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You'd have to ask a lawyer about that. Every program has one. Aren't they a 11.0 organization?
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No idea. I just know every situation that I have been in to ride with a GOV employee, that has been the "answer." No CTRs in GOV vehicles for official business because if something happens, legal issues can ensue.
 
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herb749

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BOP said:
I'd like to see that link. What you're saying is that he doubled the work force.

Of course, that's coming from a guy who claimed that people going back to work after the plandemic was "job creation."
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I googled federal govt jobs added during Biden Admin. Over 700K in 24.
 
PeoplesElbow

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BOP said:
Like everything else the Government is involved in, it's a lot more complicated and nuanced than it first appears. On top of that, like anything written in stone and brought down from the mountain, ask 10 different Governement employees any question about any edict, and you'll get 13 different answers. At least.

It can provide the appearance of a "gift" from the contractor to the government employee for the contractor to offer transportation. Even when not in an official capacity, such as to or from a meeting, site inspection, or whatever. Say, going to lunch when the meeting breaks up for that purpose.

The rule of thumb I always heard was "government employees may ride with contractors (on reimbursable contracts), but contractors may not ride with government workers on same."

Like I said, 13 different answers.

The government is reimbursing the contractor for transportation. It saves the government money from having to also pay the GS back for separate transportation. If the GS is driving, and the contractor is along for the ride, that's misappropriation because they're riding for free AND getting reimbursed for travel.

Even if they're not claiming it - and, by and large, I've found contractors to be straight-forward and scrupulous about such things - as OC keeps harping, it's the optics of the thing.

I've been told that even meetings out in town where services contractors are going to a facility that's been rented from a (presumably) 3rd party contractor (not involved in the program's business), that could be one of those optics things. Which is BS, because I'm not getting reimbursed by the government for travel, and neither is my contractor buddy I'm driving or riding with.

Related: I've seen the Gov't do things that cost the Gov't (taxpayers) MORE money, because of their interpretation of regulations. I went round-and-round with the Navy travel officer, who argued that what I was trying to do with my travel plans violated the JTR. Her mistake was sending me what she thought was the relevant passage from the JTR. I looked through it, and read around it, and it said no such thing. I went over her head (which I would have never dreamed of doing while I was in uniform), and her commander (O-5) told the lieutenant (O-3) to calm down. Er, stand down. Yeah, yeah, that's what I meant.

I had sent him the spreadsheet showing where what she wanted to deny would have cost the Government almost half again as much money. The same spreadsheet I had sent her.

Lieutenants - can't live with them, and fragging them will get you brig time. Or stockade time.
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Ive had to spend a couple hours trying to explain to travel why I had to buy gas twice in one day...fill the tank before I left Lakehurst and then fill it before turning the car in. The idiot at travel kept insisting I shouldn't have to buy gas twice in one day. So I spent $300ish explaining a $25 claim for gas.

As I've said before simply listening to workers could save the government money.

Buying easy passes for travelers to use instead of the picture of the plates and additional $40 charges to track down the car owner and the fee the rental company charges would help too.
 
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RoseRed

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PeoplesElbow said:
Ive had to spend a couple hours trying to explain to travel why I had to buy gas twice in one day...fill the tank before I left Lakehurst and then fill it before turning the car in. The idiot at travel kept insisting I shouldn't have to buy gas twice in one day. So I spent $300ish explaining a $25 claim for gas.

As I've said before simply listening to workers could save the government money.

Buying easy passes for travelers to use instead of the picture of the plates and additional $40 charges to track down the car owner and the fee the rental company charges would help too.
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Some people use their personal EZ passes.
 
Sneakers

Sneakers

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PeoplesElbow said:
I don't have one, not going to buy one to help them out. I pay a toll for myself about once every three years.
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And that's ok.
But for reference, the transponders are free with no monthly fee. You are required to keep a credit card on file tho with a minimum balance, I think it was $25.
 
RoseRed

RoseRed

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Sneakers said:
And that's ok.
But for reference, the transponders are free with no monthly fee. You are required to keep a credit card on file tho with a minimum balance, I think it was $25.
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Am I wrong thinking that those with an EZPass get a discount?
 
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