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[glhs837]

So am I, NiMH is less affected by the cold, but doesn't have the capacity, they are excellent for hybrids though.

Nice thing is that that can be mitigated in at couple of ways. One is the latest innovation that Tesla fielded, the octovalve heat pump. Moves heat and cool around to I think four different places in the vehicle depending where it needs to be. Cabins, battery, outside, and motor are the four locations. That tech rolled out in the Model Y, but has since been rolled into newer editions of the Model 3 and can be expected to be incorporated into all models going forward. That plus "preconidtioning" the battery for your normal morning routine can help.

 

[rmorse]

Imagine if we’re heading from electric vehicles to gas vehicles lmao.

“Wait, you can’t recharge at the house? You have to leave to go get fuel?”

“You have to jack the car up and remove the oil and a filter every 3,000 miles? What if you don’t have tools or a garage? You take it to a shop and spend $100 and trust the high school kid isn’t going to ruin your car?”

“You have to change an air filter and transmission fluid and differential fluid and spark plugs and coil packs on a regular basis?”

“Wait, if you go to a gas station and get bad fuel, you have to pay thousands of dollars to drop the tank and flush out the lines?”

“If you fill up after a fuel tanker just filled the gas station, you run the risk of hurting your fuel pump? Or at the very least, you put a bunch of crud into the fuel filter, which you need to change out?”

“If you go overseas for a couple years on deployment, the gas in your car can get gummy?”

“If you lend your high compression car to someone and they put in lower octane gas, you can predetonate and mess up your motor?”

“If you do a lot of low mileage drives and never fully warm up the motor, you can get condensation buildup in the oil which strips the cylinder walls and can cause premature wear?”

 

[PeoplesElbow]

That’s surprising and a bummer. I hadn’t heard that yet about the new ones.

It's getting better, just don't believe everything Elon Musk says, he is his own biggest fan. I respect him as a do-er but he is a bit of a used car salesman.

 

[glhs837]

He usually meets or exceeds goals, it's timelines he has trouble with......

 

[WingsOfGold]

How far can you drive before you have to recharge all night? So - no long drives to anywhere?
How long does that battery last before you have to completely replace it?
How does it do in freezing weather? Can you pull a trailer through the snow? A half ton? To my relatives in the South or Southwest.
How big do they make those things?

And can I afford one that does all that?

I'll wait until the technology catches up.

I LIKE my smog spewing, gas guzzling, tire burning, roaring V8's!

 

[glhs837]

I LIKE my smog spewing, gas guzzling, tire burning, roaring V8's!

And there's nothing wrong with that. Loved mine back when I had one. Loved my overpowered turbo 4, and love my 99 and 98 BMW inline sixes and the sons 2010 turbo BMW inline six. Love the opposed twin in my motorcycle. We'll all be be dead when gas engines stop being relevant, but our kids (depending, of course) will see the day that gas engines will be as rare as body on frame cars, and thier grandkids will see the day they are as rare as steam cars.

 

[PsyOps]

I’m a total gearhead but electric is the future man. The new electric bikes and cars are sick. Instant torque, different maps and adjustable torque/hp curves, individually powered wheels, way better maintenance, etc.

I owned a hybrid for about 5 years. After that 5 years, the batteries weren't charging properly. I'd lose power and gas mileage. I took the car in to have it checked, and the guy said the batteries need to be replaced - $5000!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't save anywhere near that in gas mileage. I traded the thing in for a regular gas car.

The battery technology is still not there. While Telsa has it down for distance and performance, I don't even want to think about the cost of replacing the batteries. Then there is the disposal part. If we all go electric, we'll have to open specific landfills just for dead batteries. Environmentalists will go nuts over that.

Then there is the cost for installing charging stations EVERYWHERE. I think about people that live in apartments or townhomes. My daughter and her husband live in an apartment in CA and have to park on the street along with hundreds of other cars. I don't even see a feasible way of installing changing stations for every single parking place.

 

[glhs837]

I owned a hybrid for about 5 years. After that 5 years, the batteries weren't charging properly. I'd lose power and gas mileage. I took the car in to have it checked, and the guy said the batteries need to be replaced - $5000!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't save anywhere near that in gas mileage. I traded the thing in for a regular gas car.

The battery technology is still not there. While Telsa has it down for distance and performance, I don't even want to think about the cost of replacing the batteries. Then there is the disposal part. If we all go electric, we'll have to open specific landfills just for dead batteries. Environmentalists will go nuts over that.

Then there is the cost for installing charging stations EVERYWHERE. I think about people that live in apartments or townhomes. My daughter and her husband live in an apartment in CA and have to park on the street along with hundreds of other cars. I don't even see a feasible way of installing changing stations for every single parking place.

Here's some info on batteries. Tesla warranty on the battery is 8 years or 100K, I think but folks are seeing much better than that.

A look at Tesla battery degradation and replacement after 400,000 miles

In this new installment of our series on the highest-mileage Tesla Model X (and one of the highest mileage EVs...

electrek.co

AS for disposal, you dont, you recycle, one of Tesla alumni has stood up the first recylcling system in Sparks next to Giga Nevada.

With range, you dont need them everywhere. Apartments and condos will require solution, but that will come over time, still millions upon millions of people who live in houses or can charge at work. So, not there, but getting there. Nobody is saying lets turn in all the gas cars by 2025. But start the shift now. If this next gen of batteries charges as fast as we think they will, you can literally charge like a gas car, in which case you dont need every parking space.

 

[PsyOps]

Here's some info on batteries. Tesla warranty on the battery is 8 years or 100K, I think but folks are seeing much better than that.

A look at Tesla battery degradation and replacement after 400,000 miles

In this new installment of our series on the highest-mileage Tesla Model X (and one of the highest mileage EVs...

electrek.co

AS for disposal, you dont, you recycle, one of Tesla alumni has stood up the first recylcling system in Sparks next to Giga Nevada.

With range, you dont need them everywhere. Apartments and condos will require solution, but that will come over time, still millions upon millions of people who live in houses or can charge at work. So, not there, but getting there. Nobody is saying lets turn in all the gas cars by 2025. But start the shift now. If this next gen of batteries charges as fast as we think they will, you can literally charge like a gas car, in which case you dont need every parking space.

You can only recycle something so many times. I'm no expert in recycling batteries, but I imagine there are going to be chemicals that don't recycle and be dumped. I imagine those chemicals are caustic and can't just be dumped anywhere.

My checks with the AOC plan (which I believe the left are using as their standard) is she is looking being zero carbon by 2050. We're going to get millions of people out of gas fueled cars and into electric cars by then? We're going to have charging stations completely set up to accommodate this? How do you imagine all the gas cars will be disposed of? An entire industry (oil, natural gas, coal...) out of business? And we haven't even talked about power plants.

We are nowhere near we need to be to have this accomplished by 2050.

 

[rmorse]

I owned a hybrid for about 5 years. After that 5 years, the batteries weren't charging properly. I'd lose power and gas mileage. I took the car in to have it checked, and the guy said the batteries need to be replaced - $5000!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't save anywhere near that in gas mileage. I traded the thing in for a regular gas car.

The battery technology is still not there. While Telsa has it down for distance and performance, I don't even want to think about the cost of replacing the batteries. Then there is the disposal part. If we all go electric, we'll have to open specific landfills just for dead batteries. Environmentalists will go nuts over that.

Then there is the cost for installing charging stations EVERYWHERE. I think about people that live in apartments or townhomes. My daughter and her husband live in an apartment in CA and have to park on the street along with hundreds of other cars. I don't even see a feasible way of installing changing stations for every single parking place.

Let’s say that you got rid of that hybrid yesterday and bought it new. You said you owned it for 5 years; that would make it a 2015 model.

Again. The 2020 EV technology makes the 2015 EV technology look archaic. These are NOT the same EVs.

 

[rmorse]

Also, Psy, you mentioned losing gas mileage as well. The vehicle you’re discussing isn’t relevant to what Tesla is putting out today.

 

[glhs837]

You can only recycle something so many times. I'm no expert in recycling batteries, but I imagine there are going to be chemicals that don't recycle and be dumped. I imagine those chemicals are caustic and can't just be dumped anywhere.

My checks with the AOC plan (which I believe the left are using as their standard) is she is looking being zero carbon by 2050. We're going to get millions of people out of gas fueled cars and into electric cars by then? We're going to have charging stations completely set up to accommodate this? How do you imagine all the gas cars will be disposed of? An entire industry (oil, natural gas, coal...) out of business? And we haven't even talked about power plants.

We are nowhere near we need to be to have this accomplished by 2050.

Well, you can imagine as you wish, imagining is free But we'll just have see, lots of different chemistries in play. I know Tesla is leading the way in reducing the need for bad chemicals, almost cobalt free, reducing lithium in favor of nickel and silicone.

The more progressive folks are on with AOCs GND, but a lot are not. Me, I say let the market decide. No subsidies.

 

[GURPS]

I'll skip the EV car .... give me a quad copter I can ride in n

 

[Bare-ya-cuda]

Here's some info on batteries. Tesla warranty on the battery is 8 years or 100K, I think but folks are seeing much better than that.

A look at Tesla battery degradation and replacement after 400,000 miles

In this new installment of our series on the highest-mileage Tesla Model X (and one of the highest mileage EVs...

electrek.co

AS for disposal, you dont, you recycle, one of Tesla alumni has stood up the first recylcling system in Sparks next to Giga Nevada.

With range, you dont need them everywhere. Apartments and condos will require solution, but that will come over time, still millions upon millions of people who live in houses or can charge at work. So, not there, but getting there. Nobody is saying lets turn in all the gas cars by 2025. But start the shift now. If this next gen of batteries charges as fast as we think they will, you can literally charge like a gas car, in which case you dont need every parking space.

Maybe not 2025 but California has its sights on no longer selling new gas cars in 2035

 

[Bare-ya-cuda]

You can only recycle something so many times. I'm no expert in recycling batteries, but I imagine there are going to be chemicals that don't recycle and be dumped. I imagine those chemicals are caustic and can't just be dumped anywhere.

My checks with the AOC plan (which I believe the left are using as their standard) is she is looking being zero carbon by 2050. We're going to get millions of people out of gas fueled cars and into electric cars by then? We're going to have charging stations completely set up to accommodate this? How do you imagine all the gas cars will be disposed of? An entire industry (oil, natural gas, coal...) out of business? And we haven't even talked about power plants.

We are nowhere near we need to be to have this accomplished by 2050.

Zero carbon by 2050 is laughable. They can’t even pay out benefits for Covid relief!

 

[Bare-ya-cuda]

Also, Psy, you mentioned losing gas mileage as well. The vehicle you’re discussing isn’t relevant to what Tesla is putting out today.

I think it’s awesome Tesla is advancing the technology, however not everyone’s paychecks are advancing enough To afford a Tesla. A quick search for a base model Tesla came up with 39k msrp.

 

[rmorse]

I think it’s awesome Tesla is advancing the technology, however not everyone’s paychecks are advancing enough To afford a Tesla. A quick search for a base model Tesla came up with 39k msrp.

Agreed. Not everyone could afford a computer or a gas car when they came out either.

Tesla is making electric vehicles that directly compete with comparable gas vehicles. I’m not trying to say they’re affordable for everyone; a car isn’t affordable for everyone either. I was simply saying that EV are the future and that people shouldn’t be sleeping on them.

In ten years, more new EV will be sold than gas vehicles. Maybe faster than that.

 

[PsyOps]

Also, Psy, you mentioned losing gas mileage as well. The vehicle you’re discussing isn’t relevant to what Tesla is putting out today.

There is no doubt the technology is improving. My concerns go far beyond that. The left's "New Green Deal" is the catalyst in which they will force us into a market that we may not want to go, in the name - what I believe to be - a false crisis --------- global warming. The "New Green Deal", like Obamacare, is designed for nothing more than the government controlling markets, and the people.

If the demand leads us to some sort of "carbon-friendly" environment, great! But, the government shouldn't be forcing it on us when we may not want it.

 

[rmorse]

There is no doubt the technology is improving. My concerns go far beyond that. The left's "New Green Deal" is the catalyst in which they will force us into a market that we may not want to go, in the name - what I believe to be - a false crisis --------- global warming. The "New Green Deal", like Obamacare, is designed for nothing more than the government controlling markets, and the people.

If the demand leads us to some sort of "carbon-friendly" environment, great! But, the government shouldn't be forcing it on us when we may not want it.

I unequivocally, without a doubt, agree. I’m just saying that regardless of that forcing, we’ve turned the corner on EVs. Of course, it took a separate company (Tesla) to do it instead of Government Motors trying to force it with the Volt.

 

[glhs837]

Maybe not 2025 but California has its sights on no longer selling new gas cars in 2035

Yep, but thats not banning them. They will be around for a while after that. And we all agree that it should not be the govt driving that change.

As for cost, nope, not cheap yet, not worthwhile ones anyway, you can buy crappy Leafs and used Bolts for cheap. Teslas new battery cells and advances in cast structure and possibly stainless bodies all look to lead to a 300 or mile better range car for under 30K in 3-4 years. Call it the Model 2. Looks like the Civic to the Model 3s Accord, I would think. Except of course, your packaging allows more efficient use of space that can give you Accord interior room in a Civic package. Your "fuel tank" is actually the floor structure, giving you more trunk and underseat space in the rear. If they follow the Cybertruck model of a stainless exoskeleton, you gain back a ton of room inside the cabin and save a ton of cost in structure and paint. Might not do that though, people love curves. But an angular stainless steel 300-350 mile range car with no exterior maint requirements and the inside space of an Accord for under 25K would sell like hotcakes even so. You want fancy stuff like colors and curves, you might pay 34K or so. All those stamping machines and robots to weld 100 pieces of metal for your Body in white and a paint shop add huge cost to your initial factory cost to build and ongoing cost to operate.