Launching a battery powered rocket.
No one is suggesting that electric will completely replace every single thing lmao. We were saying EV will replace GV.
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No one is suggesting that electric will completely replace every single thing lmao. We were saying EV will replace GV.
glhs837
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Launching a battery powered rocket.
No, but the newest one uses methane and oxygen. Far cleaner than the kerosene and solid rocket boosters.
PsyOps
Pixelated
I think you better inform the people backing the 'New Green Deal' about that.
Oh. Those people are idiots lmao.
PsyOps
Pixelated
Well, those idiots are this close ----> | <----- to taking control of our government.
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Pixelated
So much for zero carbon.
glhs837
Power with Control
Nothing is zero carbon except death. Lower is better, but not at any price. In this case, making humanity interplanetary outweighs the environmental cost of launching these rockets. Getting some of our eggs out of this one fragile basket is worth that. Shows you he's not an environmental zealot, but a pragmatist, I think.
PsyOps
Pixelated
Of course I was being sarcastic. This is AOC's 'New Green Deal' goal. It goes to show how unreasonable these environmentalists are. I like what Musk is doing. I would love nothing more than to be driving around in a car I never have to take to a gas station. Although, that doesn't come without the reality of what this will do to an entire industry. And, like I said... try getting the Mideast on board with it.
Meanwhile in cali they have their weekly brown outs and rolling shutdowns of the electrical power system to prevent fires. How do you recharge your vehicle when the power is turned off?
Hamsters on wheels?
glhs837
Power with Control
The industry has a choice. Like any industry facing disruption, its adapt of die. Ask Kodak about that. We don't really need them onboard, well, we didnt, we were looking just fine without them. Now that Joe is putting climate change at the front of the bus, who the hell knows.
Same way you pump gas when the power is out.....you dont. But in reality, CAs grid issues show the stupidity of the GND and other climate uber alles religions. A smarter leaner grid with more local sources and storage would help by allowing them to section off areas where the transmission towers cause risk without having to cut anyone off. A few modern nuke plants wouldnt hurt
Although there was one guy with a couple of powerwalls and solar in NORCAL, he kept his basics running and his car charged during a long outage. In Australia, they are trying a Virtual PowerPlant, where 5,000 houses under development are being fitted with battery storage and solar on the roof. The whole area acts as a buffer, storing enegry off peak and then supporting the grid during peak, requiring less use of wasteful peaker plants.
PeoplesElbow
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The biggest thing is with gas it takes 5 minutes to fill up for another 500 miles, no planning required unless you live way way out in BFE.
glhs837
Power with Control
500 miles? Damn, you got aux tanks strapped up? I know there are diesels that can get you those sorts of miles, but I think over 90% of vehicles dont. But it depends on you and how often you take road trips and how long they are. Now, planning, at least in a Tesla, the car handles the planning. Tell it where you are going, it routes you through Superchargers as needed.
PeoplesElbow
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A hybrid SUV, 40 mpg and close to 600 miles range,
My 2.5L gasoline ford Fusion would get 500 miles on a tank of all interstate.
PsyOps
Pixelated
I get your point; but this is hardly a comparison to a camera/film maker. We're talking about what provides energy to the entire world, for nearly everything. The goals of AOC and her environmentalist fascists want to destroy the fossil fuels industry. They have no real plan for how this would work, but if they are in power, they will force it on us, whether we are ready or not. It's a moral imperative for them.
If we let the free market let it happen in its due course, we will be fine. There is a guy who invented solar panels that would replace highway and road pavements. Not only can you drive on it, it interconnects into a single power grid that would provide electricity to street lights and other nearby electrical needs. The powers that be won't see it happen. Too much has been invested in asphalt - another product of fossil fuels.
I really need to hit the point that I'm not against these new alternative energy sources. I'm not resistant to change. I am concerned about political agendas that would be forced upon us. Government will more certain F it up, as they did with Unaffordable Care Act. We need to be careful who we elect to allow we - the people - to control how our markets change.
Agreed. We can now fill half a tank in 20 minutes; let’s see what happens in two years
glhs837
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And we have been quite clear we dont like the GND folks and govt pushing these things either. Rmorse and I have both said with almost every post that we think the market should drive the change, not the government. Those solar panel roads were silly to begin with, no way thats functional for longer than a year. Ah, here, it wasnt Big Oil that killed it, it was simple mechanics.
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I wouldnt have thought a car the size of the Fusion would have an 18 gallon gas tank. But most vehicles dont do that sort of range, can we agree? Most are in the 300-350 range or less. Here's your 400+ mile range cars.
- Toyota Prius – 12 gallon tank, 50 mpg = 600 miles
- Honda Civic Hybrid – 12 gallon tank, 40 mpg = 480 miles
- Ford Fusion – 17 gallon tank, 36 mpg = 600 miles
- Volkswagen Golf – 14 gallon tank, 35 mpg = 490 miles
- Chevy Cruze – 13 gallon tank, 35 mpg = 455 mile
PeoplesElbow
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And we have been quite clear we dont like the GND folks and govt pushing these things either. Rmorse and I have both said with almost every post that we think the market should drive the change, not the government. Those solar panel roads were silly to begin with, no way thats functional for longer than a year. Ah, here, it wasnt Big Oil that killed it, it was simple mechanics.
The World's First Solar Road Has Officially Crumbled Into a Total Failure
In July, the French daily newspaper Le Monde reported that the 0.6-mile (1 kilometre) solar road was a fiasco.
I wouldnt have thought a car the size of the Fusion would have an 18 gallon gas tank. But most vehicles dont do that sort of range, can we agree? Most are in the 300-350 range or less. Here's your 400+ mile range cars.
- Toyota Prius – 12 gallon tank, 50 mpg = 600 miles
- Honda Civic Hybrid – 12 gallon tank, 40 mpg = 480 miles
- Ford Fusion – 17 gallon tank, 36 mpg = 600 miles
- Volkswagen Golf – 14 gallon tank, 35 mpg = 490 miles
- Chevy Cruze – 13 gallon tank, 35 mpg = 455 mile
Fusion had a 17.5 gallon tank, I could average 38 mpg up and down I-95 or I-85.
That isnt all of them that will do 400 miles on a tank, Toyota Venza, RAV4 hybrid (maybe regular), Ford Escape Hybrid (maybe regular), Regular accord probably can too, I remember my dad's 95ish having a really big tank.
I'll only buy a Ford or Toyota, and possibly Honda, so not too sure about anything else.
My 95 Saturn was doing 35 MPG driving from National Harbor to Hollywood MD
straight hiway millage was much higher
glhs837
Power with Control
Nope, that wasnt an inclusive list at all, there are more mostly hybrids, and I'm unsure about battery longevity there, not sure how advanced the battery management systems are on those. Although, again, do people drive 400-500 miles without stopping even if they have the range to do so? I mean Newport Rhode island is 450 miles away, and 7.5 hours by Google. Me, I'm never driving that long without taking a break, and I suspect most people dont. I know some people do, but I think most dont.