Liberal Companies Working to Destroy Democracy

[PeoplesElbow]

Heat doesnt help though, batteries with active heating and cooling will live longer, I'm sure. As for chemical degradation over time, I think we cant cross Priii lifespan with lithium-ion. I know that in life support equipment, LI-ION has much longer storage lifespan than NI-MH. Doesnt make much sense to say the batteries are good for 300-500 thousand miles (1,500 charge-discharge cycles) if they die for other reasons long before the average driver will get to those miles. At 15,000 miles a year, thats a 20 year lifespan for 300,000 miles.

It is because cycles is really the only thing they can simulate reliably and it also sells vs saying 1000000 miles if you drive 100 miles every day, 200000 if you drive 20 miles a day, 50000 if you drive it once a month etc.

Oil I. You car lasts 5000 miles, if driven regularly but do you ever see it advertised if you let it set for months at a time?

 

[glhs837]

It is because cycles is really the only thing they can simulate reliably and it also sells vs saying 1000000 miles if you drive 100 miles every day, 200000 if you drive 20 miles a day, 50000 if you drive it once a month etc.

Oil I. You car lasts 5000 miles, if driven regularly but do you ever see it advertised if you let it set for months at a time?

So the miles expectations are based on charge cycles which are based on average annual miles driven and how many charge cycles you need to hit those miles annually. Really no way to present that information for time spent sitting outside of a matrix that would make most folks eyes glaze over. And of course, you really cant leave one of these sitting for months at a time. They monitor things and if it's cold or really hot they will circulate coolant to keep the battery healthy. Not sure about a long term storage mode

 

[PeoplesElbow]

So the miles expectations are based on charge cycles which are based on average annual miles driven and how many charge cycles you need to hit those miles annually. Really no way to present that information for time spent sitting outside of a matrix that would make most folks eyes glaze over. And of course, you really cant leave one of these sitting for months at a time. They monitor things and if it's cold or really hot they will circulate coolant to keep the battery healthy. Not sure about a long term storage mode

Bingo, you can bet on someone leaving one at an airport for a month then when it's dead throwing a bitching fit.

At one point for the roadster if you ran the battery all the way down it killed it.

Toyota had a problem killing their 12v battery after a few days sitting due to the always on connected stuff. It was most noticable in hybrids due to their tiny 12v battery. Pretty sure they figured out it was a hardware/firmware mismatch. But I did see some people throwing a fit over it on car forums.

 

[glhs837]

Yes, they will, but what can you do? Making things damnfool proof is impossible. If the owners manual tells you "Dont do this, it's a bad thing", and they do it anyway, well, there's a limit. I can see garages in airports offering "trickle charge" long term spots that only have a 120 hookup because thats all you need for that. But again, you are getting into edge cases. Very few people actually leave their cars for longer than a week or so, I think.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Yes, they will, but what can you do? Making things damnfool proof is impossible. If the owners manual tells you "Dont do this, it's a bad thing", and they do it anyway, well, there's a limit. I can see garages in airports offering "trickle charge" long term spots that only have a 120 hookup because thats all you need for that. But again, you are getting into edge cases. Very few people actually leave their cars for longer than a week or so, I think.

But as I stated before things like that heavily influence people. I would think a solar trickle charger would fix a lot of it.

I've left my car for a month in the lot at work while I was away, mine started right up, my co-travelers car had a dead battery. Two days later after driving my car both days my battery died. Was a 5 year old battery so it was time.

 

[glhs837]

Yes, the noise level from the edge is often far louder than the majority, in this as in most things. As market penetration grows and people see their neighbors and coworkers driving around and not having major problems integrating the tech into their lives, it will accelerate faster. Back in the Model S/X days, I only saw a Tesla down here once in a blue moon, within six months of the Model 3 going on sale, they started to be a weekly occurrence to see one. Now rarely a day goes by I dont see at least one my recent trip to Seattle back in July, i was rare to not see one around you at any given time.

 

[rmorse]

Full size, of gasoline pickups nothing beats a Tacoma (2ng gen, 2005-2015).

I have a 2015 TRD Sport Tacoma, 4x4 V6 that I bought new. Great great GREAT truck but it’s too small. I’m going to step up to fullsized in a couple years.

 

[glhs837]

I have a 2015 TRD Sport Tacoma, 4x4 V6 that I bought new. Great great GREAT truck but it’s too small. I’m going to step up to fullsized in a couple years.

Just in time to buy Cybertruck then......

 

[rmorse]

Just in time to buy Cybertruck then......

Lmao. I’m part of that 1% who actually needs the carrying capacity of a fullsized though.

 

[glhs837]

Lmao. I’m part of that 1% who actually needs the carrying capacity of a fullsized though.

You mean an eight foot bed? By every other measure, it works, 6.5 foot bed, eight foot sheets with tailgate dropped, and payload of I think 3,500lbs. But if you need a full eight foot bed then no, it doesnt work.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

I have a 2015 TRD Sport Tacoma, 4x4 V6 that I bought new. Great great GREAT truck but it’s too small. I’m going to step up to fullsized in a couple years.

I love my Taco, it's an 06 Double cab, I really wanted the access cab but those are a lot harder to find. The extra foot in the bed would have been handy.

If I bought a fullsize truck I would want an 8ft bed too, because I would want to sleep in it camping, I'm 6'5" so the smaller beds are no good for that.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

You mean an eight foot bed? By every other measure, it works, 6.5 foot bed, eight foot sheets with tailgate dropped, and payload of I think 3,500lbs. But if you need a full eight foot bed then no, it doesnt work.

I have to wonder about that payload, is the suspension adaptive or does it ride like a tank unloaded? The suspension ( and brakes) is usually the limiting factor for payload.

 

[glhs837]

I love my Taco, it's an 06 Double cab, I really wanted the access cab but those are a lot harder to find. The extra foot in the bed would have been handy.

If I bought a fullsize truck I would want an 8ft bed too, because I would want to sleep in it camping, I'm 6'5" so the smaller beds are no good for that.

I love my Taco, it's an 06 Double cab, I really wanted the access cab but those are a lot harder to find. The extra foot in the bed would have been handy.

If I bought a fullsize truck I would want an 8ft bed too, because I would want to sleep in it camping, I'm 6'5" so the smaller beds are no good for that.

Somebody asked Elon for a droppable mid-gate and he said he would look into it, but no promises. Nobody is quite sure how that would with that awesome motorized tonneu cover though.

About the suspension, yep fully adaptive air suspension, six inches travel up and down from center. And not just a button to set up and down, but fully tied into the smarts of the vehicle. Want full down both ends when you get home to enter the garage? No problem. When loading via the integrated ramp in the tailgate, the front goes full high and the rear full low to minimize breakover angle. Talk that it's on the fly controlled by the car, leaning into corners, that sort of thing. Since the tri-motor is capable of under 3 seconds 0-60, that sort of help seems useful.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Interesting note about the DeLorean, the stainless steel outer body panels tooling to stamp the panels wore out much quicker than anticipated.

 

[glhs837]

Interesting note about the DeLorean, the stainless steel outer body panels tooling to stamp the panels wore out much quicker than anticipated.

Good thing these are not thin stamped body panels, but rather cut, bent, and welded 3mm thick 30x (exact alloy TBD, shared with the Starship program) sheet steel that forms a complete exoskeleton.

 

[rmorse]

You mean an eight foot bed? By every other measure, it works, 6.5 foot bed, eight foot sheets with tailgate dropped, and payload of I think 3,500lbs. But if you need a full eight foot bed then no, it doesnt work.

no, not just 8’ bed. I have plenty of workarounds for my shorter bed (I think it’s 6’2” bed). I’m talking about payload. I have overloaded it several times and I dance around my max payload often.

 

[rmorse]

I love my Taco, it's an 06 Double cab, I really wanted the access cab but those are a lot harder to find. The extra foot in the bed would have been handy.

If I bought a fullsize truck I would want an 8ft bed too, because I would want to sleep in it camping, I'm 6'5" so the smaller beds are no good for that.

Yea I have the access cab. I didn’t want a double cab plus long bed because it would have been massive so I went with the access cab. I ride motocross/dirt bikes and go camping a ton so I needed as much bed space as I could get.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Good thing these are not thin stamped body panels, but rather cut, bent, and welded 3mm thick 30x (exact alloy TBD, shared with the Starship program) sheet steel that forms a complete exoskeleton.

DeLorean made a lot of mistakes, too bad he was railroaded on a cocaine distribution charge. We may have had a DeLorean motor company still, or atleast a better DeLorean.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Yea I have the access cab. I didn’t want a double cab plus long bed because it would have been massive so I went with the access cab. I ride motocross/dirt bikes and go camping a ton so I needed as much bed space as I could get.

I couldn't believe how hard they are to find. My 06 could be sold for half of the original MSRP now with 190k on the odometer.

I do have a brand new frame on it.

 

[glhs837]

no, not just 8’ bed. I have plenty of workarounds for my shorter bed (I think it’s 6’2” bed). I’m talking about payload. I have overloaded it several times and I dance around my max payload often.

Then the CT should do it, pretty sure 3,500 is class leading for payload.