Martin Luther King Jr., Day.

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

JPC - I reread my link and gave you the examples you evidently failed to notice when you (supposedly) read it. They are below:

Not only did Jefferson Davis envision black Confederate veterans receiving bounty lands for their service, there would have been no future for slavery after the goal of 300,000 armed black CSA veterans came home after the war.
3. Free black musicians, cooks, soldiers and teamsters earned the same pay as white confederate privates. This was not the case in the Union army where blacks did not receive equal pay. At the Confederate Buffalo Forge in Rockbridge County, Virginia, skilled black workers "earned on average three times the wages of white Confederate soldiers and more than most Confederate army officers ($350- $600 a year). 7. In 1864, President Jefferson Davis approved a plan that proposed the emancipation of slaves, in return for the official recognition of the Confederacy by Britain and France. France showed interest but Britain refused. 11. In March 1865, Judah P. Benjamin, Confederate Secretary Of State, promised freedom for blacks who served from the State of Virginia. Authority for this was finally received from the State of Virginia and on April 1st 1865, $100 bounties were offered to black soldiers. Benjamin exclaimed, “Let us say to every Negro who wants to go into the ranks, go and fight, and you are free…Fight for your masters and you shall have your freedom.” Confederate Officers were ordered to treat them humanely and protect them from "injustice and oppression". 19. During the early 1900’s, many members of the United Confederate Veterans (UCV) advocated awarding former slaves rural acreage and a home. There was hope that justice could be given those slaves that were once promised “forty acres and a mule” but never received any.

Not everything that Jefferson Davis and others tried to accomplish for the Black Confederate soldiers came to pass but, as can be seen here, efforts were made and their sacrifices were appreciated and the situation was not the big disgrace you are making it out to be. After all, the South did lose.These soldiers fought and died with honor.

I have given this post a lot of thought.

Of course I still stand by my previous postings as mine are correct and mine are true,

but I believe I do understand your point.

By comparing your idea with the 9-11 event - then Bin Laden and the 9-11 attackers are seen by many people as heroes and that the attackers are seen by many as died in honor and glory.

So seeing African slaves fighting a war for their American slave-masters can be viewed in that same way.

I see Jefferson Davis and his generals as all a disgrace until they surrendered or died, and I say to see them otherwise is to give an immoral support to traitors and racist bigots.

So I do not agree with your position but I do believe that I understand it quite completely.

 

[cwo_ghwebb]

Does anyone else see a discrepancy here?

What I see is an illiterate and uneducated racist running for office. Fine by me that he does so. However, one cannot keep heaping spurious slurs and inanities on the people you wish to represent.

On second thought, Democrats have been doing that for years. Deys smarter and knows whats bestest fer us peons.

 

[Lenny]

Hey, dumbazz!!

Well of course not. I promote respect for everyone - even for those that are dead.

I was just pointing out that those two rebels are traditionally reccognized heroes for racist and bigots.

"...rebels are traditionally reccognized heroes for racist and bigots.

 

[tiny tim]

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery.

HAY HO!

 

[toppick08]

Hey JPC,jr.............If you had a fraction of the nuts, grace, and manliness Mr. Robert E. Lee had, I might even vote for ya'.........

 

[cwo_ghwebb]

Hey JPC,jr.............If you had a fraction of the nuts, grace, and manliness Mr. Robert E. Lee had, I might even vote for ya'.........

JPC lost his nuts in confinement and his mind from watching too much Jerry Springer.

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

Originally Posted by ABRAHAM LINCOLN
My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery.

HAY HO!

That is a common quote from Abe Lincoln but it does not address the reason for the civil war as many people pretend.

Abe Lincoln was on the defensive because the rebels started the war.

Lincoln was trying to save the union (USA) but the rebels were fighting to keep slaves.

The reason for any war must be found in the aggressors - those that start the war must give the reason.

The rebels started the war to keep their immoral slavery going and expanding.

Abe Lincoln was even willing to make peace with the South during the war but Abe called it a blessed stubborness by the South that gave Lincoln the time and the means to completely destroy the evil institution of slavery, so thank God for Abe Lincoln and for stubborn rebels.

 

[Marie]

Along with Dr. King, I also celebrated Stonewall Robert E. Lee Day on Monday as well...........

I thought I was the only one to celeberate the The Great Generals Birthday which was on Saturday.



Yankee by birth, Rebel by choice!

 

[cwo_ghwebb]

I thought I was the only one to celeberate the The Great Generals Birthday which was on Saturday.



Yankee by birth, Rebel by choice!

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Nope, a whole bunch of us racists (according to JPC) were!

 

[toppick08]

That is a common quote from Abe Lincoln but it does not address the reason for the civil war as many people pretend.

Abe Lincoln was on the defensive because the rebels started the war.

Lincoln was trying to save the union (USA) but the rebels were fighting to keep slaves.

The reason for any war must be found in the aggressors - those that start the war must give the reason.

The rebels started the war to keep their immoral slavery going and expanding.

Abe Lincoln was even willing to make peace with the South during the war but Abe called it a blessed stubborness by the South that gave Lincoln the time and the means to completely destroy the evil institution of slavery, so thank God for Abe Lincoln and for stubborn rebels.

Don't forget, The great Abe put us Maryland folk under martial law during the War of Northern Aggression......and 23,000 Marylanders fought for the Confederacy.......including several of my family members.....I'll fly the Stars and Bars, till the day I die.........

 

[Marie]

That is a common quote from Abe Lincoln but it does not address the reason for the civil war as many people pretend.

Abe Lincoln was on the defensive because the rebels started the war.

Lincoln was trying to save the union (USA) but the rebels were fighting to keep slaves.

The reason for any war must be found in the aggressors - those that start the war must give the reason.

The rebels started the war to keep their immoral slavery going and expanding.

Abe Lincoln was even willing to make peace with the South during the war but Abe called it a blessed stubborness by the South that gave Lincoln the time and the means to completely destroy the evil institution of slavery, so thank God for Abe Lincoln and for stubborn rebels.

Your views on history are about as screwed up as your views on religion.

It was about the constitutional argument over whether or not a state had a right to leave the Union and State sovereignty.

You know like States are supose to be today and how the federal government is still telling them what they can and canot do!

“United States” was plural in 1861, whereas by 1865, “United States” was singular. These means each state originally viewed themselves as sovereign and the Federal Government as subordinate to them. After the War, the Federal Government was considered superior and the states subordinate.

The true reason for the War was relatively specific and slavery was not it, as such. The South seceded over States’ Rights. This is not to play down the role slavery played within the States’ Rights issue, but to simply place it in correct context. Of the many States’ Rights issues, slavery was by far the most important, but it by and of itself, was not the true issue. The more populated North, and therefore those more numerous in Congress, passed laws placing a tariff on goods leaving the south and moving north but no such tariff on goods leaving the north. (Imagine if that were today!) Another fact to keep in mind is slavery was legal in the entire U.S., and there were slaves in the North, too! (An historical fact the North sort of omits when its righteous position in the War is proclaimed...) Slavery wasn’t outlawed in the U.S. until a year after the War in 1866 and only then by a constitutional amendment.

Another reason that was believed to have caused the Civil War was that the south feared that the north would have the majority of the senate. Since the north had more people they thought that they should have more people in the senate. The south disagreed with that. The north also had the bigger states. So to sum it up the union had more states, more people living in their states, and the union was so much bigger than the confederate states.

 

[toppick08]

Don't forget, The great Abe put us Maryland folk under martial law during the War of Northern Aggression......and 23,000 Marylanders fought for the Confederacy.......including several of my family members.....I'll fly the Stars and Bars, till the day I die.........

.Where ya' at JPC.

Thanks Marie.

 

[cwo_ghwebb]

.Where ya' at JPC.

Thanks Marie.

Too busy researching the topic at Dummys Underground to come back with another spiffy argument.

 

[toppick08]

Too busy researching the topic at Dummys Underground to come back with another spiffy argument.

 

[Lenny]

.Where ya' at JPC.

Softening his brain in the corner. He'll be coming around soon.

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

.Where ya' at JPC.

Thanks Marie.

Happy Martin Luther King Jr., day.

 

[Pushrod]

This is a sad part of American history, and it gets to me.

There were blacks that picked the cotton too, and black concubines for the white rapist.

The black soldiers were not fighting for the rebel's racist cause. And even if you or others might believe that the poor ignorant blacks were actually fighting to maintain their own slavery then it makes the sins of the white rebels that much more despicable and dastardly.

Do the pompous whites now say those black soldiers were free and fighting for their own slavery? or the slavery of their own race? Are now the racist whites of today pretending that they were slaves and fighting for the right to remain slaves?

The horrible African slavery was more then just forced physical servitude because the immoral whites psychologically abused the black people with beliefs of inferiority and breaking the black slaves as they do in breaking a horse so that the prisoners give up all of their human rights and their human dignity.

This is an example as to why many rightfully claim that the American African slavery damaged the black race in ways that still keep many of their decendants down to this day.

The self righteous whites broke the slaves will-power and broke their sense of pride and violated their sense of personhood, violated their families, violated their sexes, exploited their children, and even after the war was over the whites continued to degrade and to brake the decendants for another 100 years until the civil rights marches that began a process of repairing the extreme damage done by whites to the African Americans.

The civil rights reforms did not end the white bigotries but it did start the process and there is much more that needs done.

Hey Dumbo,
Where do you think these slaves came from and who sold them to the slavers? It was other black tribes of the region! These other black tribes would also keep slaves for themselves. Slavery in Africa was going on long before Europeans set foot there!
Africa Slavery

Infact, some say that the slave trade is still continueing there today!
African Slavery and Its Denial by Blacks

And it isn't only the blacks that were made slaves through history:
Hoffman reveals: The Forgotten Slaves--Whites in Servitude

So how is this all a white man's burden? It seems like all races have had a hand in this and should bear the burden, if there is still one. It seems like you want to keep racism alive in this world. Your hateful preaching will do a good job of it.
Why don't you go jump off of the Solomon's bridge, since you don't have a car I will volunteer to drive you up there!

 

[toppick08]

Hey Dumbo,
Where do you think these slaves came from and who sold them to the slavers? It was other black tribes of the region! These other black tribes would also keep slaves for themselves. Slavery in Africa was going on long before Europeans set foot there!
Africa Slavery

Infact, some say that the slave trade is still continueing there today!
African Slavery and Its Denial by Blacks

And it isn't only the blacks that were made slaves through history:
Hoffman reveals: The Forgotten Slaves--Whites in Servitude

So how is this all a white man's burden? It seems like all races have had a hand in this and should bear the burden, if there is still one. It seems like you want to keep racism alive in this world. Your hateful preaching will do a good job of it.
Why don't you go jump off of the Solomon's bridge, since you don't have a car I will volunteer to drive you up there!

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

The South seceded over States’ Rights. This is not to play down the role slavery played within the States’ Rights issue, but to simply place it in correct context.

It is my position and my belief that we must take the noble and honorable path of facing our guilt and not to hide from it.

It is an act of strength to take the guilt and the blame, and defensive denials are the weapons of weakness.

I want us all to be strong by acting strong instead of pretending strength through avoiding blame and guilt.

The white population can face up to our immoral past slavery of the Africans without falling apart.

Even for some who might believe that guilt is not deserved and that it is not our blame to carry and that is putting a load onto us that we do not deserve, then remember Jesus took the blame and the guilt of us all onto the cross and Jesus did not deserve it but it was His act of strong virtue that Jesus carried the guilt and He never denied it and He did not hide from it, and Jesus is the best example to follow.

 

[toppick08]

It is my position and my belief that we must take the noble and honorable path of facing our guilt and not to hide from it.

It is an act of strength to take the guilt and the blame, and defensive denials are the weapons of weakness.

I want us all to be strong by acting strong instead of pretending strength through avoiding blame and guilt.

The white population can face up to our immoral past slavery of the Africans without falling apart.

Even for some who might believe that guilt is not deserved and that it is not our blame to carry and that is putting a load onto us that we do not deserve, then remember Jesus took the blame and the guilt of us all onto the cross and Jesus did not deserve it but it was His act of strong virtue that Jesus carried the guilt and He never denied it and He did not hide from it, and Jesus is the best example to follow.

The Catholic or the Protestant Jesus?.........