Marylanders Support Smoking Ban
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Pete
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I need to dig that thing out. I haven't made a batch in 8 years but I do have my secret recipe book.Mikeinsmd said:I'll buy your brew....
I made an Brown Ale once and it sucked and I was pizzed because of all the time I wasted on it. I bottled it anyway and put it in the store room. A few weeks later some guys came over and we ran out of the good stuff and as a joke I gave then each a bottle of the Brown and they liked it.
I tried it and it was great! The next batch was the same way, sucked at first, 4 weeks later it was great. Glad I didn't dump that first batch.
Mikeinsmd
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I made some about 5 yrs ago too. The pilsner was great. My cherry wheat, welllllll...... not so great but we drank it. Never made anymore. It's lottsa work.Pete said:I need to dig that thing out. I haven't made a batch in 8 years but I do have my secret recipe book.
I made an Brown Ale once and it sucked and I was pizzed because of all the time I wasted on it. I bottled it anyway and put it in the store room. A few weeks later some guys came over and we ran out of the good stuff and as a joke I gave then each a bottle of the Brown and they liked it.
Bustem' Down
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I'm about to brew an IPA. I'm still a novice though using extract kits, after I get to San Diego I plan on working on it some more to expand my skill.Mikeinsmd said:
Pete
Repete
You ever have some renegade yeast get in and spoil a batch? I lived in a 150 year old house in Maine and it was really a chore to keep everything sterile. Open it up to checks SG and airborne dust drops in and a few days laterMikeinsmd said:
I made a cranberry one year at Thanksgiving time, that was my best.
Mikeinsmd
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Nahhhh, I only made the 2 batches then got lazy.Pete said:You ever have some renegade yeast get in and spoil a batch? I lived in a 150 year old house in Maine and it was really a chore to keep everything sterile. Open it up to checks SG and airborne dust drops in and a few days later
I made a cranberry one year at Thanksgiving time, that was my best.
The cranberry sounds
Pete
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It was good, and quite by accident. The Schwans guy (who I am convinced was doing my ex based on the frequency of his visits) taked the ex into a box of the cranberry juice concentrate. After one of the little cartons they decided they didn't like it.Mikeinsmd said:Nahhhh, I only made the 2 batches then got lazy.
The cranberry sounds
I dumped the other five little cartons in the next batch of ale near the end of the ferment and presto 
One of the reasons we have a representative government is so that the majority can't make laws that infringe on the rights of the minority. Gays and blacks are in the minority - shall we start making laws that say they aren't allowed to be seen in public or live in certain neighborhoods?Mikeinsmd said:
And don't say "that's different" because it's not different at all. The minute you start letting government take over your privately owned business, not to mention your HOME and VEHICLE, now you have reached totalitarianism. And it's fascinating to me that the people who rail against "government spying" in the name of Homeland Security are the very same ones who are quite happy to let the government pass laws telling you what you can and cannot do on your own private property.
There are any number of non-smoking restaurants available. To insist that ALL restaurants accomodate your non-smoking preference is unreasonable and ridiculous.
SmallTown
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vraiblonde said:
Look at the "Extra" sections in the paper every week, and see how many restaurants get shut down (maybe only temporarily) because of health violations. And these are places that know the health rules very well. Imagine if there were NO sanitatin rules for restaurants.
So, we already have government involvement in private business, and I am glad for it. Restaurant kitchens are bad enough WITH rules, I couldn't imagine them without rules.
As for the argument of "People expect to find smoke in a bar". Expecting it, and accepting it or two different things. I full EXPECT that if I go into Iran with a shirt reading "I'm an American, and I love George Bush!" that I would get shot. Doesn't make it right.
If that were true, then we'd all be dead by now since Americans have smoked massively since tobacco first made its appearance in this country. Europeans smoke like maniacs, as do the Japanese. Look up health statistics in Japan (hint: they're #1)dck4shrt said:
vraiblonde said:
A lot of American who smoked have died as a result.
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/research_data/health_consequences/mortali.htm
A lot of Americans who never smoked have been sickened or died as a result of smokers. 25,000-75,000 non smokers die annually as a result of secondhand smoke (comparable to the number who die in car crashes).
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/factsheets/secondhand_smoke_factsheet.htm
It is a public health problem in this country and around the world, and many Americans are interested in reducing its impact. If that involves inconveniencing smokers, then so be it.
What? No comment about my Japan statistics? Let me point something else out to you:dck4shrt said:
The Japanese smoke like chimneys - all over the place because there are no laws prohibiting it. In fact, 50% of adult males in Japan smoke (you can look that up if you don't believe me). They also enjoy a much higher health rate than the US - smoking "kills" Americans, but it doesn't kill Japanese.
The Japanese also have a significantly lower obesity rate than Americans. Now THAT is a hell of a coincidence and I'm sure has absolutely nothing to do with mortality rates. Right?
:fixed:Bustem' Down said:
Smokers have the right to liberty to. Their liberty includes the right to smoke. Liberty does not just go one way, Mikeinsmd.
Therefore a smoking ban is a disenfranchisement of a minority. You are for repressing a minority.Mikeinsmd said:I'm not here to entertain you. 7 out of 10 makes you the minority. Deal with it.
You are bad. Deal with it.
From Dick's stats:
Not to mention that, while there may be a "link" between smoking and heart disease (which is the #1 killer of Americans), the fact is that obesity is the #1 reason people get heart disease.
Now. There are people who happily gobble up whatever brainwashing the activists try and shove down their throat, and do not bother to do any fact-checking on their own. And that's their right. But what the sheeple DON'T have a right to do is take some activist's rhetoric as the gospel and turn them into laws that infringe on the rest of us (the ones who actually do some research to get a fact or two, and have a shred of common sense to sort it out with).
I see - so the ONLY thing that causes lung cancer is cigarette smoking or secondhand smoke? Nothing else?
Not to mention that, while there may be a "link" between smoking and heart disease (which is the #1 killer of Americans), the fact is that obesity is the #1 reason people get heart disease.
Now. There are people who happily gobble up whatever brainwashing the activists try and shove down their throat, and do not bother to do any fact-checking on their own. And that's their right. But what the sheeple DON'T have a right to do is take some activist's rhetoric as the gospel and turn them into laws that infringe on the rest of us (the ones who actually do some research to get a fact or two, and have a shred of common sense to sort it out with).
Businesses are privately owned. The OWNER should be able to decide whether the business is a smoking or non-smoking establishment. That is the owners freedom - liberty. You have the liberty, freedom, to either go to the establishment or not go to the establishment. As soon as government steps in, they are meddling in areas that they have no constitutional authority. Freedom - liberty - is for everyone including smokers and non-smokers.dck4shrt said:
You are not "inconveniencing" smokers. You are violating their freedom and right to liberty.dck4shrt said: