Well you said it... "Shipping Weight" this link did not specify which weight. Is it the Gross Vehicle weight??? Curb Weight??? I already get taxed enough, being single with no deductions. So a tax on my truck would not surprise me, the way things this country is starting to turn.Voter2002 said:Hey - I'm all for that!
You drive a tank, you pay an appropriate fee to be able to drive that tank on public roads! This is only aimed at the biggest of the big (Ford Excursion class & on up). Most of the SUV's, including some of the big ones still come in under the 6,000 lb. shipping weight.
Spoiled said:No one made you buy that SUV, you could have purchased a van, station wagon, or a truck... You knew you were buying something that gets 15MPG on a good day, no sympathy from me thats like playing with fire then #####ing that you got burned... its what fire does...
Take the weight of the vehicle spread out amongst it's contact patch with the surface of the earth.. where as a car, truck and even semi trailer have limited contact patches.. just a few sq inches per tire.. a Bradley or an M1 have immense contact patches.. usually a length of track say 18 feet long and 12 - 18 inches wide.. so 18ft X 12in X 18in X 2tracks = 7776 sq inchesPOOH said:Please tell us how you got this figure and could you give a link to anything that would come close to expaining it to be true. Thanks.
itsbob said:Take the weight of the vehicle spread out amongst it's contact patch with the surface of the earth.. where as a car, truck and even semi trailer have limited contact patches.. just a few sq inches per tire.. a Bradley or an M1 have immense contact patches.. usually a length of track say 18 feet long and 12 - 18 inches wide.. so 18ft X 12in X 18in X 2tracks = 7776 sq inches
48000 lbs / 7776 = 6.17 PSI
People in little chit boxes with studded winter tires do a hell of a lot more damage then my Land Rover will EVER do.. using that argument, people in chit boxes, that probably paid $750 for their cars, should pay the $750 annual tax..Spoiled said:but then you have tire width... and the pressure of the tires, flat ones will have more contact with the road... the flaw in that argument is even if the heaver vehicle applied less PSI its doing it to a larger area, which means its still adding more wear on the roads...
0 mph and the ones on top are moving at twice the speed of the vehical.itsbob said:And here is another question for you.. if a tank or tracked vehicle is moving down the street at 50 MPH, how fast are the track pads moving on the bottom of the track (the ones making contact with the ground)
I've always felt that driving skill and awareness are safer than mass. Never understood why people feel "safe" in a vehical that's difficult to control.itsbob said:to know that if you hit me in whatever car you maybe driving, the chances of somebody in my family getting hurt are close to nil. you on the other hand may have to extract your front bumper from your rectum..
There is nothing too difficult to control about my truck.. as you say, it's measured in ability. I have no trouble.aps45819 said:I've always felt that driving skill and awareness are safer than mass. Never understood why people feel "safe" in a vehical that's difficult to control.
All SUVs are not alike... My Z71 Suburban handles better than a car.... awesome visibility and handling... on the other hand, I did test drive the GMC Yukon XL (same size as the suburban) and it did not handle nearly as well.aps45819 said:Never understood why people feel "safe" in a vehical that's difficult to control.
And don't forget about how exceptionally good you look behind the wheel of your Suburban. And it really is a pretty vehicle, too.kwillia said:All SUVs are not alike... My Z71 Suburban handles better than a car.... awesome visibility and handling... on the other hand, I did test drive the GMC Yukon XL (same size as the suburban) and it did not handle nearly as well.
kwillia said:All SUVs are not alike... My Z71 Suburban handles better than a car.... awesome visibility and handling... on the other hand, I did test drive the GMC Yukon XL (same size as the suburban) and it did not handle nearly as well.
DAMN, thought this post was for me until I got to the part about the Suburban.. *sniff* What am I, chopped liver??BadGirl said:And don't forget about how exceptionally good you look behind the wheel of your Suburban. And it really is a pretty vehicle, too.
That's a pretty broad statement that's easy to prove false. I.e. - your Z71 Suburban will out-handle a Porsche? I don't think so. Even their SUV will out-handle your Suburban under any condition. And there are many cars out there that will out-handle your Suburban.kwillia said:My Z71 Suburban handles better than a car.
My truck will outperform any porsche.. or any car for that matter in the 1/4 mile, BUT I get to pick the 1/4 mile..ylexot said:That's a pretty broad statement that's easy to prove false. I.e. - your Z71 Suburban will out-handle a Porsche? I don't think so. Even their SUV will out-handle your Suburban under any condition. And there are many cars out there that will out-handle your Suburban.
I would be happy to race you in a Porsche Caynne turbo. Now go get me one.itsbob said:My truck will outperform any porsche.. or any car for that matter in the 1/4 mile, BUT I get to pick the 1/4 mile..
I would hate to be even partially responsible for the repair bills to a Porsche Cayenne.. but I would be able to tow it back homw after it broke.aps45819 said:I would be happy to race you in a Porsche Caynne turbo. Now go get me one.
kwillia said:All SUVs are not alike...
What's the difference besides the name plate and a few body panels?kwillia said:My Z71 Suburban handles better than a car.... awesome visibility and handling... on the other hand, I did test drive the GMC Yukon XL (same size as the suburban) and it did not handle nearly as well.