On NATO, Trump essentially said what he always says, which is that while he was president he forced NATO countries to pay more for their own defenses, which had been a goal of U.S. presidents for quite a while. Trump stressed that he had to get tough with some of the countries, had to make a credible threat to stop U.S. support, before they would pay up. Only then did they come up with more money. To illustrate that, Trump said:
“One of the presidents of a big country stood up and said, ‘Well, sir, if we don’t pay and we’re attacked by Russia, will you protect us?’ I said, ‘You didn’t pay? You’re delinquent?’ He said, ‘Yes, let’s say that happened.’ ‘No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills.’ And the money came flowing in.”
What was new there was Trump’s statement that he told the European president he would “encourage” Russia to attack if the president’s country did not pay enough for his country’s defense. That was enough to set the outrage machine in motion again. There were headlines in all the papers and websites. Excerpts of Trump’s speech shown on television. Commentators condemning Trump. If Trump had simply bragged that he strong-armed NATO to pay more for its defense, as he has done a zillion times, then there would have been no reporting. When he tossed in the “encourage” line, he dominated another news cycle. So much for the blackout.
This is not the place to do a deep dive on Trump and NATO. There have been plenty of those in other outlets. Suffice it to say that Trump’s speech in Conway was entirely consistent with things he has said about NATO in the past. And unlike any other Republican candidate, Trump has actually been president, so voters can judge what he actually did with NATO. Plus, we have a recent statement, before Trump’s Conway speech, from NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg on the effect of Trump’s NATO policy. It’s worth quoting that at some length.
On Jan. 31, Stoltenberg
appeared on CNN, where anchor Poppy Harlow asked him about Trump. The former president has said the United States pays a lot for NATO and doesn’t get a lot out of it, Harlow noted, and said if he wins another term, the U.S. might “fundamentally reevaluate” the role of NATO. “Would a second Trump presidency concern you about the future of U.S. membership in NATO?” Harlow asked. And then:
STOLTENBERG: I believe that the United States will continue to be a staunch NATO ally regardless of the outcome of the U.S. elections because it is in the U.S. interest to have a strong —
HARLOW: Even under President Trump?
STOLTENBERG: Well, I worked with him for four years and I listened carefully because the main criticism has been about NATO allies spending too little on NATO, and the message has been taken across the alliance in Europe and Canada. So over the last years, NATO allies have significantly increased defense spending. More and more allies meet the NATO guideline on spending 2% of GDP on defense. … In total, they have added 450 billion extra for defense. So the message from the United States that the European allies have to step up has been understood, and they are now really moving in the right direction, and that strengthens also the trans-Atlantic bond within the alliance.
Needless to say, Stoltenberg’s assessment, that Trump’s stand actually strengthened NATO, got lost in the media hysteria that followed Trump’s Conway speech. It could be that the speech said less about NATO and more about Trump’s relationship with some media outlets, a relationship that is both troubled and transactional. Troubled for obvious reasons and transactional because Trump knows if he offers them something hot enough, they will stop everything and obsess over him again, just like they always have. And that is the lesson, such as it is, of the latest Trump-NATO-media flareup.