Misquoting Jesus

[Marie]

Parts of the Bible are false and untrue and the other parts are the scripture.[/QUOTE]

I disagree the Bible is Inerrant and Infalable word of God
Christ told the apostles that after the reserection that the Holly Spirit would come upon them so they would remember clearly.

JPC, In two earlier post you said that Christ dying on the cross is a free in for everyone. This is silly to me, if that were the case there would be no need for hell. It also defeats the purpose of the cross and Why go through a blood scarafice for the atoment of sin.
He's God he could have just made it so. Also it robs Grace and takes away from it. I provided the Westminster Confession because it provides a clear consise layout of the tennants of faith as to prevent any of my words from being misconstrud, and since scripture examples provided by numerous folks in the past havent been clear for you. I am a frm beliver in Sola Scriptura, but that on its self wasnt helpfull for you.
Having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ (God) is a wonderfull thing I wish everyone had one, having a personal relation ship with a God other than that of the Bible will send you to hell no matter how comfortable it is now. Any other God than Jesus Christ of the Bible, is not a God at all, (Sorry my Mormon friends)
I just listened to CS Lewis the ScrewTape letters maybe that would help clear things up for you as there is some great stuff in there. Its a narative between two demons a senior and a underling, and the stradigies used to attack man, and there was a section on false prohets like Buddah and Mohamed and how Satin uses them to his advantage.


Just out of coursity when you read the Bible did you read the whole thing?
Was it a study Bible with commentary?
Do you read your Bible Daily?
Do you have any fellowship with Christians outside of this forum?
I get an impression and I hope its wrong that your just out there and not part of the body of christ.
Do you have a church home?

I cant make it next Saturday, But why dont you join us at Nicolette park some Saturday at 3 Pm for burgers and feed both the body and the soul. The sermons is about 15 minutes and strait from Gods word, not Mans and trying to tie it back to scripture.
When entering the park turn left and its ussually the first pavilion. Everyones welcome and you will see all the kids from the neighborhood and lots of activity.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

JPC, In two earlier post you said that Christ dying on the cross is a free in for everyone.

That is true and everyone everywhere for all times do get saved on Judgement Day.

With God all things are posible.

This is silly to me, if that were the case there would be no need for hell.

That is correct, there is no need for hell and never was any need for the hell nonsense.

Hell is from the Greek religion with Hades and fire in hell but not from Christ, link HERE.

It also defeats the purpose of the cross and Why go through a blood scarafice for the atoment of sin.

The blood sacrifices pointed to Christ and it tought the ignorant Hebrew how to clean and cook the meat before eating it.

Christ forgave sins before the cross to show that he had the power to forgive sins already link HERE.

The cross did not forgive sins, the cross destroyed the punishment for sin = atonement.

So sins still happen but no punishment on Judgement Day as price is paid in full.

He's God he could have just made it so. Also it robs Grace and takes away from it.

God can not do anything. He can not break His own word or His own commandments.

In the Garden of Eden it was God sadness crying (lamenting) because the people screwed things up - not anger, link HERE.

And it was Christ walking in the Garden.

Just out of coursity when you read the Bible did you read the whole thing?
Was it a study Bible with commentary?

I have read many different interpretations of the Bible, and I did read it from front to back all the way through, and I have read many commentaries of the Bible but not a Bible with commentary connected in the same book as I find those to be deceptive.

Do you read your Bible Daily?

I use to read the Bible daily for years but I finally got the message and now I only go back to the Bible for reference or some research.

Do you have any fellowship with Christians outside of this forum?
I get an impression and I hope its wrong that your just out there and not part of the body of christ.
Do you have a church home?

I was born and raised Catholic but I stopped that the day I moved from mommas' home at 20 years old.

Now I go to various Churches at different times but I have none that I can assimilate into.

So no, I have no Church home or fellowship but I do still look for one.

Years ago 1987-92 (4 years) I did go with the Worldwide Church of God but the Church leader died and then it fell apart so I became a lone ranger therafter.

I cant make it next Saturday, But why dont you join us at Nicolette park some Saturday at 3 Pm for burgers and feed both the body and the soul. The sermons is about 15 minutes and strait from Gods word, not Mans and trying to tie it back to scripture.
When entering the park turn left and its ussually the first pavilion. Everyones welcome and you will see all the kids from the neighborhood and lots of activity.

I have been to that one time before a few weeks ago.

I keep forgetting about it but maybe I will start going more often.

I am vegetarian so I got a cheese and bread but no beef that time I went.

My house / apt is just a half mile from the Park so I walk there.

 

[2ndAmendment]

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Parts of the Bible are false and untrue ...

LIE

 

[2ndAmendment]

That is true and everyone everywhere for all times do get saved on Judgement Day....

LIE

 

[Marie]

Which parts are untrue? If you discredit any of it than you compromise the fact that any of it is true. The 6 litteral Days? People who cant accept this have a real problem as they have stripped away the very foundation of scripture.

Also why would God allow something in scripture that would compromise his word? He's God. Are we only talking about the 66 books that make up the cannons or are you adding in the Apochripha?

We just read last night how that wasnt added offically added till the 1600 by the Catholic Church and that the reason they did it was to support their concept of pergatory and pentance for the dead.

 

[PsyOps]

Which parts are untrue?

I've already tried this. He refuses to answer. I interpret it as, he really doesn't have an answer.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

I've already tried this. He refuses to answer. I interpret it as, he really doesn't have an answer.

That is not true.

I gave him a reply with specific answers in post # 22 of this thread link HERE.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Which parts are untrue?

There are large sections of the Bible that are untrue and some complete books of the Bible are fakes.

Christianity has been trying to hide the info since its beginning and it is hard to find the info now, but it can be found.

What is considered the beginning of modern Bible scholar criticism is from a German named Strauss :

link HERE,

and link HERE,

and Biblical criticism link HERE.

If you discredit any of it than you compromise the fact that any of it is true.

That is correct for persons that put their shallow faith in the Bible and not in God.

God is not in the Bible. Stories about God are there but He lives out here in real life and not locked in that book.

I find it incredibly strengthening to see that the fake parts reveal the truth more precisely.

It is like a Court case to find that one is lying and that other must be true.

The 6 litteral Days? People who cant accept this have a real problem as they have stripped away the very foundation of scripture.

The 6 literal days is not correct and it comes from the first chapter of Genesis where the Hebrews added that chapter section while in the Babylon captivity known as the Priestly (P) sourse.

We can tell the different parts because that chapter does not use the name of "Yahweh Elohim" (LORD God in King James Version) as does starting in Genesis 2:4b, link HERE.

Also why would God allow something in scripture that would compromise his word? He's God.

He hid the truth on purpose so that any sincere person could seek it and find it but He does not give the children's food to the dogs to trample over.

The truths and message in the Bible can make anyone powerful even to move mountains and so it is hidden from the infidels.

Are we only talking about the 66 books that make up the cannons or are you adding in the Apochripha?

Yes, I am only refering to the Protestant versions of the Bible.

The Catholic Apochripha does have some historic value but not inspired scripture.

 

[Giantone]

There are large sections of the Bible that are untrue and some complete books of the Bible are fakes.

Christianity has been trying to hide the info since its beginning and it is hard to find the info now, but it can be found.

What is considered the beginning of modern Bible scholar criticism is from a German named Strauss :

link HERE,

and link HERE,

and Biblical criticism link HERE. That is correct for persons that put their shallow faith in the Bible and not in God.

God is not in the Bible. Stories about God are there but He lives out here in real life and not locked in that book.

I find it incredibly strengthening to see that the fake parts reveal the truth more precisely.

It is like a Court case to find that one is lying and that other must be true. The 6 literal days is not correct and it comes from the first chapter of Genesis where the Hebrews added that chapter section while in the Babylon captivity known as the Priestly (P) sourse.

We can tell the different parts because that chapter does not use the name of "Yahweh Elohim" (LORD God in King James Version) as does starting in Genesis 2:4b, link HERE.

He hid the truth on purpose so that any sincere person could seek it and find it but He does not give the children's food to the dogs to trample over.

The truths and message in the Bible can make anyone powerful even to move mountains and so it is hidden from the infidels. Yes, I am only refering to the Protestant versions of the Bible.

The Catholic Apochripha does have some historic value but not inspired scripture.

You sir are an idiot!

 

[2ndAmendment]

You sir are an idiot!

Be careful.

Matthew 5:21-24

21"You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.'

22"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

23"Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you,

24leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering.

JPC is deluded. He pursues justification for His sins by finding modern trash that conforms to his way of thinking rather than the truth as proclaimed by those that walked and talked with Jesus and those that experienced the conviction of Jesus like Saul (Paul). He has fallen for the trap of humanism.

2 Timothy 2:3-4

3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,

4and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

JPC proclaims lies as truth. He has been rebuked on this board and by church leaders in church privately and publicly from the pulpit. He refuses to change. Just turn your back on him and shake the dust from your feet. Refute what he posts with scripture. Call his lies lies so that others will not be led to believe what he proclaims.

 

[Marie]

You sir are an idiot!

Originally Posted by JPC sr
>>God is not in the Bible. Stories about God are there but He lives out here in real life and not locked in that book.

That dosent align with Scripture the way I read it.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God.

2Ti 3:16 For the whole Scripture is giuen by inspiration of God, and is profitable to teache, to conuince, to correct, and to instruct in righteousnesse,
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be absolute, being made perfect vnto all good workes.
2Pe 1:20 So that yee first knowe this, that no prophecie of the Scripture is of any priuate interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecie came not in olde time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moued by the holy Ghost.
Isa 55:11 So shall my worde be, that goeth out of my mouth: it shall not returne vnto me voyde, but it shall accomplish that which I will, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
>> JPC said We can tell the different parts because that chapter does not use the name of "Yahweh Elohim" (LORD God in King James Version) as does starting in Genesis 2:4b, link HERE

So it dosent say Lord god, it says God in the Plural form as meaning the complete trinity it uses Elohim which is the plural for elowahh
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'elowahh
el-o'-ah; rarely (shortened) >eloahh {el-o'-ah
probably prolonged (emphat.) from ''el' (410); a deity or the Deity:--God, god. See ''elohiym' (430).
By the way thank you for my lesson in Hebrew I wasnt ready for that as I just stared dabbling in Greek

>>JPC said He hid the truth on purpose so that any sincere person could seek it and find it but He does not give the children's food to the dogs to trample over.

God’s Words were not written to "scholars," but to all men in "plain words," and, especially, to those with the indwelling Holy Spirit. [Rom 8:9, 1 Cor 3:16, Eph 1:13] "When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense; therefore, take every word at its primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning unless the facts of the immediate context, studies in the light of related passages and axiomatic and fundamental truths, indicate clearly otherwise." There is nothing in the Words of Scripture, nothing in history, or nothing stated by "great men" [Job 32:9] that should cause anyone to get trapped into modernistic rational thinking that declares only the "message" of God is preserved. It is irrefragable that the Scriptures plainly state His Words will be preserved. It does not matter who tries to counter the clear testimony of the Bible by retranslation, twisting the "plain sense," or ignoring "clear" passages to make them fit their theology. The preserva- tion of God’s Words is a fact!
The Bible isnt in code that you need a special ring to decode it.
1Co 1:18 For that preaching of the crosse is to them that perish, foolishnesse: but vnto vs, which are saued, it is the power of God.
1Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisedome of the wise, and will cast away the vnderstanding of the prudent.
1Co 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the Scribe? where is the disputer of this worlde? hath not God made the wisedome of this worlde foolishnesse?

Its refrencing the hard hearted.

>>JPC said The truths and message in the Bible can make anyone powerful even to move mountains and so it is hidden from the infidels.

This sounds like twist Scripture from taking this verse out of context refering to having faith in prayer.
Mat 21:21 And Iesus answered and said vnto them, Verely I say vnto you, if ye haue faith, & doubt not, ye shall not only doe that, which I haue done to the figge tree, but also if ye say vnto this mountaine, Take thy selfe away, and cast thy selfe into the sea, it shalbe done.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Originally Posted by JPC sr
>>God is not in the Bible. Stories about God are there but He lives out here in real life and not locked in that book.

That dosent align with Scripture the way I read it.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God.

By the way thank you for my lesson in Hebrew I wasnt ready for that as I just stared dabbling in Greek

>>JPC said He hid the truth on purpose so that any sincere person could seek it and find it but He does not give the children's food to the dogs to trample over.

It is irrefragable that the Scriptures plainly state His Words will be preserved.
The preserva- tion of God’s Words is a fact!

In John 1:1 it is saying that Jesus is the word and not plural "words", link HERE see John 1:14,

the Bible words are not God's word because Christ is the word not plural words.

The Greek and Hebrew languages have the "word of God" meaning the spokesman or speaker of God.

The word means the spokesman and not words as in written words.

Jesus (Yesu) the Christ is the word and He is not the written words in the Bible.

In the Old Testiment it can be seen in the very many verses that read like this :

the word of Yahweh Elohim came unto .... link HERE,

and said unto Moses (the spokesman) link HERE,

and the word came unto Samuel saying link HERE,

and more throughout the scriptures. Christ was in the Old Testiment first.

That God's word would be preserved means the spokesman will be preserved even forever.

 

[2ndAmendment]

In John 1:1 it is saying that Jesus is the word and not plural "words", link HERE see John 1:14,

the Bible words are not God's word because Christ is the word not plural words.

The Greek and Hebrew languages have the "word of God" meaning the spokesman or speaker of God.

The word means the spokesman and not words as in written words.

Jesus (Yesu) the Christ is the word and He is not the written words in the Bible.

In the Old Testiment it can be seen in the very many verses that read like this :

the word of Yahweh Elohim came unto .... link HERE,

and said unto Moses (the spokesman) link HERE,

and the word came unto Samuel saying link HERE,

and more throughout the scriptures. Christ was in the Old Testiment first.

That God's word would be preserved means the spokesman will be preserved even forever.

Quit with your junk already. If anyone believes what you post and is lost because of it, it is you that will be responsible.

Did you graduate high school? Don't think so. Did you understand human law well enough to know that you needed to support your son? No. Did you understand human decency and parental responsibility to support your son? No. Did you understand that the people don't want your junk politics when you lost the last time? No. Well it is plain for all to see that you don't understand the Bible either.

 

[2ndAmendment]

1 Corinthians 1:18-31

18For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

19For it is written,
"I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE,
AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE."

20Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

22For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom;

23but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,

24but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble;

27but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong,

28and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are,

29so that no man may boast before God.

30But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

31so that, just as it is written, "LET HIM WHO BOASTS, BOAST IN THE LORD."

JPC and many believe in the wisdom of men and proclaim with pride that the Bible is false, at least parts of it (doesn't that make it all false?), and they know so because of what they have read in the "wise" writings of men.

I choose to follow Jesus and boast in Him; I'll take the foolishness of God over the wisdom of men any day.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

JPC and many believe in the wisdom of men and proclaim with pride that the Bible is false, at least parts of it (doesn't that make it all false?), and they know so because of what they have read in the "wise" writings of men.

I choose to follow Jesus and boast in Him; I'll take the foolishness of God over the wisdom of men any day.

God gave us all a brain and expects us to use our talents.

That 2A is claiming the wise people are stupid but are we to see 2A as the smart one? that knows how to hide.

The Bible was only written in Latin for almost 1500 years to keep the population ignorant, then it was first translated into German by the great Martin Luther, then another hundred years before translated into crude english so the people could become wiser.

Trying to claim, as 2A is trying to do, that our english translation and the Christian Orthodox interpretation is as smart as we sheep are going to get, is just trying to keep everyone in darkness still.

The old text of the Bible were written in Hebrew and Aramaic and in Greek and we have the present ability to understand the scriptures better now then ever before but we must have the courage to face God.

The "Synoptic problem" is a great place to start at this link HERE.

 

[2ndAmendment]

God gave us all a brain and expects us to use our talents.

That 2A is claiming the wise people are stupid but are we to see 2A as the smart one? that knows how to hide.

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God does give us brains and talents and He expects us to use them to further His kingdom, work, support our families, provide for ourselves. You do none of that.

Your ignorance of scripture and Biblical history is appalling. I don't say that human wisdom is stupid; the Bible does. It goes on to say that it is God's plan for that to be that way to confound humans that want to think more of themselves than they should. We are only dust.

Why was the Bible written in Latin for so long? Because Latin was the language of the Roman Empire. It was the language of the people. The printing press did not exist so each text had to be written by hand. Translation into other languages was not needed until more people could read; the vast majority could not. And the priests were all trained in reading and writing Latin either as their native language or a second language.

It was not until after the printing press was invented that any books were available to people and even then, books were expensive.

Martin Luther did not translate the Bible into German. He translated the New Testament into German. The New Testament is only one third of the books of the Bible.

Now who would understand how to translate a language better from Aramaic or ancient Greek to Latin? A modern person who speaks none of them natively or a person who spoke at least one of them as their native language as was fluent in the other? Hmmmm? Not only that, the modern English translations that went back to the most ancient manuscripts available are consistent in content and meaning with the earlier translations.

I do not claim to be smart. I claim to read and believe the Bible as being the only authoritative book on God, His works, and His plan for man..

And what the heck does, "that knows how to hide." mean? It must mean something in your deluded mind, but it is a non sequitur as far as I can tell.

 

[ehr543]

did Jesus say to hate your enemies Jesus said to love your enemies if JPC wants to go to hell that is his chioce not yours..... if you want to help JPC pray for him that the lord opens his eyes that he may see and his ears that he might hear..... I am sorry about this note but when christians bad mouth some body that is hard to take....

 

[2ndAmendment]

did Jesus say to hate your enemies Jesus said to love your enemies if JPC wants to go to hell that is his chioce not yours..... if you want to help JPC pray for him that the lord opens his eyes that he may see and his ears that he might hear..... I am sorry about this note but when christians bad mouth some body that is hard to take....

Have you followed anything other than this thread? I have been in church with JPC in person. The minister of the church went with me to him to tell him he was incorrect. JPC still did not listen. The minister then announced from the pulpit addressing JPC by name and telling him that he was wrong about everyone going to heaven not once but on two different occations. JPC still did not listen.

I do not attack him. I attack the drivel he posts that could lead someone that is seeking astray. To let his words go unchallenged would tacitly agree with him. That should never be allowed by any Christian.

I agree with you that Christians should not attack Christians and arguing over denominations is foolish. You will see recent posts by me saying the same thing. But to allow lies to stand unchallenged is to allow him to proclaim untruth as truth.

 

[ehr543]

there is no lie that will be unchallenged Jesus him self will see to that for it says that everyone will be jugded and recieve payment for his or her works ( for what a man sows that shall he reap..... a christian should lead by example...

 

[2ndAmendment]

there is no lie that will be unchallenged Jesus him self will see to that for it says that everyone will be jugded and recieve payment for his or her works ( for what a man sows that shall he reap..... a christian should lead by example...

Rather than repeat myself, see this please. http://forums.somd.com/religion/508...y-he-exactly-who-he-claims-8.html#post2404789

Jesus uses us as His tools until His return.

We are to be His light.

Matthew 5:13-16

13"You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men.

14"You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden;

15nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.

16"Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

We are to proclaim so that all may hear and have the choice ans so none will go without hearing.

Romans 10:14-17

14How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

15How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, "HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!"

16However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, "LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?"

17So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.