Misquoting Jesus

[JPC sr]

Batman

Rather than repeat myself, see this please. http://forums.somd.com/religion/508...y-he-exactly-who-he-claims-8.html#post2404789

Jesus uses us as His tools until His return.

We are to be His light. We are to proclaim so that all may hear and have the choice ans so none will go without hearing.

The problem here is that people like 2A has declared themselves as the "tools of Jesus" and so he does the talking and the rest of us are to be doing the listening. I say not.

Then we get back to the topic of this thread on "Misquoting Jesus" and we find the talkers are not quite right.

The light of God comes from His word and from the truth and we each have our duty to seek it out.

We are not to follow these self righteous preachers that claim we can not understand it all by ourselves.

God gave us each a functioning brain and we are expected to use our talents and not to believe everything that the Oxthodox push onto the world.

The Synoptic problem is a great place to start, link HERE.

 

[ehr543]

John 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God

JPC may not make heaven the only ones going to heaven is the ones that God's spirit draws ( Jesus did not say he went after the deciples that left him ) you cannot argue with somebody so that they will see the truth you tell them and the spirit will do the rest.. when i got saved it was hard for me to under stand why a lot of people did not get saved ( the way to heaven is narrow just you and Jesus ) don't cast your pearls among swine....

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

John 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God

JPC may not make heaven the only ones going to heaven is the ones that God's spirit draws ( Jesus did not say he went after the deciples that left him ) you cannot argue with somebody so that they will see the truth you tell them and the spirit will do the rest.. when i got saved it was hard for me to under stand why a lot of people did not get saved ( the way to heaven is narrow just you and Jesus ) don't cast your pearls among swine....

I agree with all of this quote above.

That is a message from a Godly messanger.

Especially that last line of "pearls" before "swine" because I find many of the pearls in Christianity to be fake.

So make certain the pearls are real first and then it will not be necessary to "cast" them at others.

When it is real pearls then even the swine will seek after the real stuff.

 

[2ndAmendment]

John 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God

JPC may not make heaven the only ones going to heaven is the ones that God's spirit draws ( Jesus did not say he went after the deciples that left him ) you cannot argue with somebody so that they will see the truth you tell them and the spirit will do the rest.. when i got saved it was hard for me to under stand why a lot of people did not get saved ( the way to heaven is narrow just you and Jesus ) don't cast your pearls among swine....

I contend that JPC is the biggest trampler of scripture on this board.

You, having JPC agree with you, is a dubious honor.

 

[2ndAmendment]

The problem here is that people like 2A has declared themselves as the "tools of Jesus" and so he does the talking and the rest of us are to be doing the listening. I say not.

Then we get back to the topic of this thread on "Misquoting Jesus" and we find the talkers are not quite right.

The light of God comes from His word and from the truth and we each have our duty to seek it out.

We are not to follow these self righteous preachers that claim we can not understand it all by ourselves.

God gave us each a functioning brain and we are expected to use our talents and not to believe everything that the Oxthodox push onto the world.

The Synoptic problem is a great place to start, link HERE.

I hope to always be used by Jesus, therefore a tool of Jesus.

You don't listen to the law. You didn't listen to the ministers of one of the churches you attended. You had no regard to the pleas of your family. I don't expect you to listen to me, but I will not let your lies go unchallenged.

 

[PsyOps]

God gave us each a functioning brain and we are expected to use our talents and not to believe everything that the Oxthodox push onto the world.

Was Jesus an Orthodox Christian? Better think long and hard about that one.

 

[ehr543]

in my walk with Jesus i have found that there is not a lot of people that agree with me... but my charge is for the people to agree with Jesus and like you my hope is that the Lord uses me for his purpose and not mine.... i know that you ( 2A ) has a voice for the Lord but with me and any other christian the heart must follow Jesus and any other way is the wrong way to heaven... a little note ( the devil knows scripture and will use it to his advantage but he always twist it to fit his needs ) and so does a lot of people

 

[2ndAmendment]

in my walk with Jesus i have found that there is not a lot of people that agree with me... but my charge is for the people to agree with Jesus and like you my hope is that the Lord uses me for his purpose and not mine.... i know that you ( 2A ) has a voice for the Lord but with me and any other christian the heart must follow Jesus and any other way is the wrong way to heaven... a little note ( the devil knows scripture and will use it to his advantage but he always twist it to fit his needs ) and so does a lot of people

God is the judge of motives, the heart. You are right; satan does know scripture better than any man. God knows my heart, my motives. I have no greater goal in this life than to be used for His purpose.

I have been told by many that know me but are admittedly not Christians to ignore JPC. I wish I could, but he espouses half-truth and outright lies as being the Truth of God and he boldly proclaims that the Bible is false. I cannot let those things go unchallenged.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Was Jesus an Orthodox Christian? Better think long and hard about that one.

It would be ridiculous to believe that Jesus was an Orthodox Christian and since the Orthodox Christianity of today is so very far from the truth of Christ then I would have to answer "NO" He is not.

Of course it could be said that Jesus is Orthodox while Christianity is not but that would be more confusion.

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So now I feel that I must add that the name "Christian" was a derogatory name given to the disciples.

It was first mis-used in Antioch, link HERE.

And later in the book of Acts it says that everywhere the [Christian] sect was spoken against link HERE.

Then later the Aposle Peter puts the name of "Christion" in comparison with being mis-called a "murderer" or a "thief" link HERE and telling those not to be "ashamed" of it as those did not like that name-calling at all.

The name of "Christian" only came long after Jesus crucified and it was name-calling done to insult the disciples and the disciples did not like it.

The correct term for a follower of Christ was a "disciple" as in a "disciplined one" because the followers must become disciplined in the truths of God, so then it is based on their actions and not on their church membership.

So this is thinking long and hard on it.

 

[Giantone]

I have been told by many that know me but are admittedly not Christians to ignore JPC. I wish I could, but he espouses half-truth and outright lies as being the Truth of God and he boldly proclaims that the Bible is false. I cannot let those things go unchallenged.

He does all that no matter what he's talking about ,he's an idiot!

 

[PsyOps]

It would be ridiculous to believe that Jesus was an Orthodox Christian and since the Orthodox Christianity of today is so very far from the truth of Christ then I would have to answer "NO" He is not.

Of course it could be said that Jesus is Orthodox while Christianity is not but that would be more confusion.

You completely missed the premise of my question. You had to cover all grounds to make sure you had the right answer. Yes, no

If you had said: "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one" (John 10:27-30) and "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." (John 8:12), then you would have answered correctly. Everything else is nothing more than noise.

Jesus is God. Everything he did on earth and has done in the spirit is the orthodoxy of God and of Christianity. You cannot separate the two. And you cannot separate God's Christians from Him. So, all that you are spouting here doesn't change anything. Christians are God's chosen; everyone else is left behind.

The simple answer is YES!

 

[2ndAmendment]

You completely missed the premise of my question. You had to cover all grounds to make sure you had the right answer. Yes, no

If you had said: "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one" (John 10:27-30) and "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." (John 8:12), then you would have answered correctly. Everything else is nothing more than noise.

Jesus is God. Everything he did on earth and has done in the spirit is the orthodoxy of God and of Christianity. You cannot separate the two. And you cannot separate God's Christians from Him. So, all that you are spouting here doesn't change anything. Christians are God's chosen; everyone else is left behind.

The simple answer is YES!

Well said.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Jesus is God.

Jesus never claimed to be God. He said he was the "son of man" and became the "son of God" but Jesus said to pray to "our Father in Heaven" and not to himself.

When Jesus said that seeing him then we see the Father means we see God through Christ but they are separate beings.

And on the cross Jesus said: Why has God forsake Him Mark 15:34 link HERE.

That text link above of Mark 15:34 alone destroys that orthodox claim that Jesus and God are the same.

There is no mystery there, no hidden secret message, just plain truthful words.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Jesus never claimed to be God. He said he was the "son of man" and became the "son of God" but Jesus said to pray to "our Father in Heaven" and not to himself.

When Jesus said that seeing him then we see the Father means we see God through Christ but they are separate beings.

And on the cross Jesus said: Why has God forsake Him Mark 15:34 link HERE.

That text link above of Mark 15:34 alone destroys that orthodox claim that Jesus and God are the same.

There is no mystery there, no hidden secret message, just plain truthful words.

Your lack of understanding never ceases to amaze me, but hopefully, soon, you will come to the Truth. There is one God, only one. God has three personalities He exhibits to us, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus absolutely said that when the disciples had seen Him they had seen the Father.

John 14:1-11

Jesus Comforts His Disciples
1"Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me.

2"In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.

3"If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.

4"And you know the way where I am going."

5Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?"

6Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
Oneness with the Father
7"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."

8Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us."

9Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

10"Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.

11"Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves.

Jesus was fully man and God. When Jesus asked why God had forsaken Him, God had to withdraw from the human form in order for Jesus to be able to die on the cross, because God cannot die. God remained absent from the human form of Jesus until the third day. When God entered the human form of Jesus, Jesus came back to life. If you will notice, Jesus died immediately after crying out.

Mark 15:33-37

33And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

34And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

35And some of them that stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold, he calleth Elias.

36And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down.

37And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

There is one God, only one. God has three personalities He exhibits to us, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus absolutely said that when the disciples had seen Him they had seen the Father. Jesus was fully man and God.

Well that is giving that strange secret mystery of the orthodoxy but it is not what the Bible says.

We pray to God through Jesus but if one only goes to Jesus then they have not made to the Father.

I say this is another reason that many people miss the point.

When Jesus asked why God had forsaken Him, God had to withdraw from the human form in order for Jesus to be able to die on the cross, because God cannot die. God remained absent from the human form of Jesus until the third day. When God entered the human form of Jesus, Jesus came back to life. If you will notice, Jesus died immediately after crying out.

Well that is another clever mystery but the Bible does not really give mysteries at all.

In fact the Bible explains everything to those that seek it out, while it is a dark secret to the infidels.

So again: since God had forsaken Jesus on the cross then he did not die before he spoke saying "why hast thou forsaken me" but died after he said it, so the man was not God.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Well that is giving that strange secret mystery of the orthodoxy but it is not what the Bible says.

We pray to God through Jesus but if one only goes to Jesus then they have not made to the Father.

I say this is another reason that many people miss the point.Well that is another clever mystery but the Bible does not really give mysteries at all.

In fact the Bible explains everything to those that seek it out, while it is a dark secret to the infidels.

So again: since God had forsaken Jesus on the cross then he did not die before he spoke saying "why hast thou forsaken me" but died after he said it, so the man was not God.

Jesus is fully man and God.

It is obvious that the Bible is certainly a mystery to you. That will change some day I trust.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Jesus is fully man and God.

It is obvious that the Bible is certainly a mystery to you. That will change some day I trust.

This is what gets me about orthodoxy in that the Christians must believe as they are told.

The Christians must believe as their particular church claims or else they are out.

The very concept of orthodoxy does not allow any person to believe independently.

Like they preach to have a "personal relationship with God" but orthodoxy is not personal at all.

If 2A decided to think for himself and agree that the Bible does not say any Jesus being God nonsense then he would be put out of his church.

The only way to have a "personal relationship with God" is to defy the Orthodox.

 

[PsyOps]

Jesus never claimed to be God. He said he was the "son of man" and became the "son of God" but Jesus said to pray to "our Father in Heaven" and not to himself.

When Jesus said that seeing him then we see the Father means we see God through Christ but they are separate beings.

And on the cross Jesus said: Why has God forsake Him Mark 15:34 link HERE.

That text link above of Mark 15:34 alone destroys that orthodox claim that Jesus and God are the same.

There is no mystery there, no hidden secret message, just plain truthful words.

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He [Jesus] was in the beginning with God”… John 1:1-2

“…Whoever has seen me has seen the Father”… John 14:9

“The Father and I are one”… John 10:30

Jesus was also given authority over all things like healing, raising the dead, controlling nature, determining his own death and resurrection (John 10:17-18), forgiving sins. He said he was the Lord of the Sabbath (Mat 12:8).

You try to apply a physical understanding to a spiritual meaning. Even though the Church is made up of many people it is still one Church. The bible talks about the body of Christ being made up of many parts (1 Corinthians 12:12). Just as we are parts of the body of Christ (being the Church), making up the whole of Christ, Christ is also part of God. The Trinity makes up the whole of God; each serving a different function yet still one spiritual entity.

 

[2ndAmendment]

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The only way to have a "personal relationship with God" is to defy the Orthodox.

The only way to have a personal relationship with God is to have one on God's terms. You can't do it your way; you have to do it God's way; the narrow way.

Someday, I trust the scales will be removed from your eyes.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

The only way to have a personal relationship with God is to have one on God's terms. You can't do it your way; you have to do it God's way; the narrow way.

The point remains that persons like 2A and Christian orthodoxy are telling us all what God's way is and they are wrong.

They might be honestly wrong but wrong they are.

He is saying to have a personal relationship with God on God's terms but 2A and Orthodoxy are claiming that they only know God's terms and not the rest of us.

Like 2A and Orthodoxy has the narrow way blocked and we all have to go through them and we do not.

A "personal relationship" really means to be our own personal way. When others tell us how to do it then it is their way and when others tell us how to do it then it is their relationship, so a "personal relationship" means "I" or "me" personally and not me and God with 2A as that would be a three-some and three is one too many.

The first point of this thread is that people are misquoting and misrepresenting Jesus and God and that is still very true here.