Modern Biblical Scholarly Criticism.

J

JPC, Sr.

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residentofcre said:
JPC.... I was trying to use a metaphor to tell you that the Jesus Seminar is just a group of misguided liars who are misleading people....
:flowers: This is attacking the messengers and not touching the message. I think most people have no idea what the Jesus Seminar is all about. The things they teach are also tought in religious seminary school and thus the name. I have spoken with ministers of several religions and they each say they learned about the synoptic problem (see first post for link to synoptic problem) and they just do not teach the info to the public. The Pastor at the Lex Park Methodist yesterday refered to the "synoptic gospels" and gave a small description, so I thought he was being quite bold even though it was far from really hitting the subject hard. Thus the Jesus Seminar is teaching the public what is widely known and accepted in higher theology.

residentofcre said:
They are using the name Jesus Seminar for credibility and any Sunday School Teacher can see by reading their publications that they are a bunch of no good slugs....
:bigwhoop: The Jesus Seminar is indeed over-credibility of the Sunday school Teacher because we need to mature and face up to the modern realities. Even "a bunch of no good slugs" can know the truth. Attacking the messenger does not nulify the true message, thank God.

residentofcre said:
The fact that you cannot see that is really worrisome to me.... and I am so glad that I do not live in your precinct.... there are too many important issues that depend on character, honor, courage and yes Christian Values to trust you in any leadershop role if you cannot see through their lies....
:jameo: To be a real beneficial leader then one must consider the expert testimonies given and the Jesus Seminar is made up of religious experts in their fields.

residentofcre said:
I wish you hadn't forced me to be so blunt...
:popcorn: I just could not resist the urge to do so. :howdy:
 

Nickel

curiouser and curiouser
JPC said:
I think most people have no idea what the Jesus Seminar is all about. The things they teach are also tought in religious seminary school and thus the name.
sem·i·nar (sm-när)
n.
1. a. A small group of advanced students in a college or graduate school engaged in original research or intensive study under the guidance of a professor who meets regularly with them to discuss their reports and findings.
b. A course of study so pursued.
c. A scheduled meeting of such a group.
2. A meeting for an exchange of ideas; a conference.


Tell me, were you born this ignorant, or is it something you've had to work at for awhile?
 
J

JPC, Sr.

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JPC said:
:eyebrow: Does any one here know how great the Jesus Seminar is??

It is a group that tries to get to the real truth out of the Bible's New Testiment.

Christ did tell us to seek the truth. Here is a link to it at,

The Best Jesus Seminar Website.

:yay: We have Bible scholars and scholarly criticism which disects the scripture to dig the truth out. Many people find it difficult to face the reality that parts of the Bible is wrong and parts are fake, but I do not, and scholars from the Jesus Seminar try to get the truth out of the scriptures and it is very interesting indeed.

:popcorn: One significant point is that back in the 19th century old German scholars first discovered the synoptic problem in the Gospels. The 3 Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke are the 3 synoptic Gospels because they write about the same times and events synoptically. The scholars discovered the Gospel of Mark is the original of all the others. Then came Matthew and Luke which had to use Mark's writings in order to write their versions.

The Synoptic Problem shown just a little down this web page, click here.

Plus there is the missing Q sourse that both Matthew and Luke's Gospels used but Mark did not use. There is a scholar noted at the Jesus Seminar that thinks the Gospel of Matthew is the real Q source that Luke used and it is a strong argument indeed as opposed to a missing Q source.

Mark was accually the apprentice to the appostle Peter and so it is reasoned that the Gospel of Mark is actually the story that Peter told to Mark and then Mark wrote the first Gospel which came from Peter.

:yay: Anybody on here know about scholar research??

We must seek the truth.

:whistle: ------------------ :eyebrow:
:popcorn: Nickel, see post above....
 

Nickel

curiouser and curiouser
JPC said:
:popcorn: Nickel, see post above....
Oh, I've read it. I certainly don't need you guiding my faith. My mother and church are doing just fine. You, on the other hand, have serious issues.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
JPC, Sr. is a teacher of falsehoods. Do not be mislead by him. The Bible is not false or made up and the devil and his followers do not get saved in the end nor does everyone no matter how they believe.
 
R

residentofcre

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JPC said:
:flowers: The things they teach are also tought in religious seminary school and thus the name.

:bigwhoop: The Jesus Seminar is indeed over-credibility of the Sunday school Teacher because we need to mature and face up to the modern realities. Even "a bunch of no good slugs" can know the truth. Attacking the messenger does not nulify the true message, thank God.

:jameo: To be a real beneficial leader then one must consider the expert testimonies given and the Jesus Seminar is made up of religious experts in their fields. QUOTE]

There are false witnesses everywhere.... don't you think there are people [yes even schools] that tell lies about the Gospel?

Maturity is the problem. Only those with some maturity in Christ can see these lies for what they are... and those without maturity, those just coming to Christ...may believe the lie and not recieve salvation...

JPC would you please answer these two questions...

1. If you are a wonderful person your whole life and never lie, never cheat, never steal.... help others and support every charitable organization you come across.... will you go to heaven?

2. Would you please give me your interpretations of 1 Corintheans 6:9-11 and 12-20?
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
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residentofcre said:
There are false witnesses everywhere.... don't you think there are people [yes even schools] that tell lies about the Gospel?

Maturity is the problem. Only those with some maturity in Christ can see these lies for what they are... and those without maturity, those just coming to Christ...may believe the lie and not recieve salvation...

JPC would you please answer these two questions...

1. If you are a wonderful person your whole life and never lie, never cheat, never steal.... help others and support every charitable organization you come across.... will you go to heaven?

2. Would you please give me your interpretations of 1 Corintheans 6:9-11 and 12-20?
Don't confuse him with scripture. He does not believe the whole Bible is true anyway.
 
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residentofcre

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I'm sure he'll be able to find have plenty of helpful comments on this topic and these verses.... :coffee:
 
J

JPC, Sr.

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2ndAmendment said:
JPC, Sr. is a teacher of falsehoods. Do not be mislead by him. The Bible is not false or made up and the devil and his followers do not get saved in the end nor does everyone no matter how they believe.
:coffee: The Jesus Seminar does not teach what I myself teach and this poster is mixing up the two.

:lalala: ----------------------------- :howdy:
 
J

JPC, Sr.

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residentofcre said:
There are false witnesses everywhere.... don't you think there are people [yes even schools] that tell lies about the Gospel?
:popcorn: Other people have different beliefs and not being orthodox does not make anyone into being a liar.

residentofcre said:
Maturity is the problem. Only those with some maturity in Christ can see these lies for what they are... and those without maturity, those just coming to Christ...may believe the lie and not recieve salvation...
:coffee: These are not lies. The true salvation that Christ tought means more than after death salvation so I try to educate people about living life today and one can not be Christ like if they fail to find out the truth as the Jesus Seminar is trying to teach. Calling it lies and calling them liars is just non productive to seeking the truth as Christ said to do, seek the truth and ye shall find it.

residentofcre said:
JPC would you please answer these two questions...

1. If you are a wonderful person your whole life and never lie, never cheat, never steal.... help others and support every charitable organization you come across.... will you go to heaven?
:elaine: I do not know what the Jesus Semenary teaches on this question but as for me I believe firmly that on Judgement Day that everybody everywhere throughout all times will surely be saved because Christ paid the price in full.

residentofcre said:
2. Would you please give me your interpretations of 1 Corintheans 6:9-11 and 12-20?
:flowers: I do not know what those text read so I will have to look it up later.

:jameo: ---------------------------------- :whistle:
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
JPC said:
I do not know what the Jesus Semenary teaches on this question but as for me I believe firmly that on Judgement Day that everybody everywhere throughout all times will surely be saved because Christ paid the price in full.
That is a half truth therefore a lie. Jesus paid the price for all who accept Him and obey Him but not for everyone. I have quoted the scripture (1 Corinthians 6:9-20 is a good one) , you have been told by the ministers of one of the churches you go to, and yet you perpetuate this lie to mislead people. You are a teacher of lies.

Don't bother to look it up. Here it is for all to see again.
1 Corinthians 6:9-20

9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.


11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
The Body Is the Lord's
12All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything.

13Food is for the stomach and the stomach is for food, but God will do away with both of them Yet the body is not for immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord is for the body.

14Now God has not only raised the Lord, but will also raise us up through His power.

15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? May it never be!

16Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body with her? For He says, "THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH."

17But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him.

18Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body.

19Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?

20For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.
Of course you have posted that you believe that the Bible is not true and parts of it were made up. Again, you are a liar. You are a child of your father, the devil, the serpent of old that tempted Eve and led all of humanity into sin. You continue to delude people. You are a son of satan.
 
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J

JPC, Sr.

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1 Corinthians 6:9-11 said:
This Bible text says basicly that no evildoer will enter the kingdom of God.
:popcorn: That is fine by me. So on Judgement Day everybody will then be believers (because seeing is believing) and all their sins are forgiven (paid in full by Christ) and no person will be an evildoer any more thus everyone gets saved in the end. It really is a simple truth that is easy to understand.
1 Corinthians 6:12-20 said:
This Bible text from the Apostle Paul says basicly that all things are lawful but not expedient, and later that our human bodies are temples of the spirit and we need to glorify God in our bodies.
:jameo: So this is fine by me too, and I agree with the text but if any other person does not do as it says then they will all still be forgiven - the sins are already paid for in full. The salvation of sinners is the whole purpose of the cross.
1 Corinthians 15:51-54 said:
See this later text in the same Corinthians explains further that "all" the dead will be raised up (ressurection) and will "all" be raised from our corruption into incorruption and then is victory as the text says, thus everyone gets saved.
:lmao: I do not see any problem with letting other people (the general public) to have all the available information and to make up their own minds by them all seeing all versions like the Jesus Seminar and others. I trust all people to think for themselves.

:wench: -------------------------------------- :howdy:
 

Nickel

curiouser and curiouser
Does anyone remember how Slotted got banned from the religion forums? I think this nutjob is doing a heck of a lot more damage than he ever did. :ohwell:
 

supersurfer

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2ndAmendment said:
JPC, Sr. is a teacher of falsehoods. Do not be mislead by him. The Bible is not false or made up and the devil and his followers do not get saved in the end nor does everyone no matter how they believe.



:killingme 2A is about to crack. :killingme
 

ajhkmr97

TexasPride1977
JPC said:
:popcorn: Today I picked up my grand daughter and if I were a priest then I still would pick her up.

I do not think that one has to be a priest to touch children. Parents touch their children as do friends and neighbors and teachers. It is a normal healthy activity. I have even heard of some people do not touch at all or very seldom and it hurts the person emotionally.

But I sure do not see what that question has to do with the Religion thread or about the topic of scholarly criticism.

Peace out. :popcorn:



You must be really dense…… you were being asked if you were a pedophile …. Ya know.. it was a tongue-in-cheek pun at Catholic priests “touching” children…

You were being mocked….. sorry… are being…. And its well deserved… imo
 

ajhkmr97

TexasPride1977
JPC said:
:coffee: That makes no sense at all to me.

:wench: -------------------------------- :coffee:

Of course it would not make sense to you.... you are so narrow minded.... how in the world could you understand the meaning behind the story..
 

ajhkmr97

TexasPride1977
residentofcre said:
JPC.... I was trying to use a metaphor to tell you that the Jesus Seminar is just a group of misguided liars who are misleading people....

They are using the name Jesus Seminar for credibility and any Sunday School Teacher can see by reading their publications that they are a bunch of no good slugs....

The fact that you cannot see that is really worrisome to me.... and I am so glad that I do not live in your precinct.... there are too many important issues that depend on character, honor, courage and yes Christian Values to trust you in any leadershop role if you cannot see through their lies....

I wish you hadn't forced me to be so blunt...


He is wearing blinders himself....and his nose is plugged...so he cannot even smell the stench of his own words
 
J

JPC, Sr.

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residentofcre said:
I'm sure he'll be able to find have plenty of helpful comments on this topic and these verses.... :coffee:
:yay: Case in point is that the word "hell" only means the common grave or tomb. So when the Bible refers to "hell" it means a dead body is then put into a "hell" as in a grave or a tomb for the dead.

If Jesus was preaching hell-fire and brimstone (and He did not) then He would have come straight out and said it like saying ; if ye do not as commanded then ye each will be burned and tortured for the rest of eternity, BUT NO, Christ did not teach that at all and what He did teach was certainly the opposite of any hell-fire.

In Matthew 5:43-46 Christ said to love our enemies ... do right to them that hate us ... etc. If the real God had people burning in "Hell" (and He does not) then He would be the hypocrite by saying one thing and doing its opposite.

:yay: Plus, if there really were a condition to forgiveness from God (and there is none) like if one has to believe first and then forgiveness then that one is no enemy. Christ said to love our enemies and so if they become believers or repent then that is a friend. An enemy is those that do not believe, an enemy does not repent, so Christ forgives sinners whether the sinner likes it or not.

This is the kind of truth that Jesus teaches and it is the kind of truth that sets us all free. Thus Jesus is not only the savior of the orthodox Christianity, and thank God for that.

:elaine: P.S. Note, this post does not mean that I do not not like orthodoxy as I see it does have its place. I just find that every religion and every person does have some truth and some right in them and each do have some wrong so it is best to accept any right from anyone and reject wrong from everyone. It matters far more what a person or a church or a Country does then what they believe.

:huggy: ----------------------------------- :howdy:
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
JPC, Sr. is delusional in many ways. His perception of scripture is obviously delusional. He does not understand when scripture disagrees with his belief that it is his belief that is incorrect.

Remember, Jesus said not all will enter into the kingdom of heaven, so it does not matter in the least what JPC, Sr. posts. JPC, Sr. is a deceiver and a liar. JPC, Sr. follows in the footsteps of his god, satan. If he did not, he would take the admonitions that have been given him by many people that do know and understand scripture and repent.

I, too, would be happy if he were banned from not only the Religion forum but all the forums.
 
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