Modern Biblical Scholarly Criticism.

[2ndAmendment]

2A is about to crack.

No. I want to make sure than no one is deceived by JPC, Sr.'s lies.

I am frustrated that JPC, Sr. is so dense that no matter who and how many times he has been told his belief is not true according to the Bible, he persists in his nonsense.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Case in point is that the word "hell" only means the common grave or tomb. So when the Bible refers to "hell" it means a dead body is then put into a "hell" as in a grave or a tomb for the dead.

If Jesus was preaching hell-fire and brimstone (and He did not) then He would have come straight out and said it like saying ; if ye do not as commanded then ye each will be burned and tortured for the rest of eternity, BUT NO, Christ did not teach that at all and what He did teach was certainly the opposite of any hell-fire.

In Matthew 5:43-46 Christ said to love our enemies ... do right to them that hate us ... etc. If the real God had people burning in "Hell" (and He does not) then He would be the hypocrite by saying one thing and doing its opposite.

Plus, if there really were a condition to forgiveness from God (and there is none) like if one has to believe first and then forgiveness then that one is no enemy. Christ said to love our enemies and so if they become believers or repent then that is a friend. An enemy is those that do not believe, an enemy does not repent, so Christ forgives sinners whether the sinner likes it or not.

This is the kind of truth that Jesus teaches and it is the kind of truth that sets us all free. Thus Jesus is not only the savior of the orthodox Christianity, and thank God for that.

P.S. Note, this post does not mean that I do not not like orthodoxy as I see it does have its place. I just find that every religion and every person does have some truth and some right in them and each do have some wrong so it is best to accept any right from anyone and reject wrong from everyone. It matters far more what a person or a church or a Country does then what they believe.

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You are so wrong. Jesus said this.

Matthew 5:21-23

21"You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.'

22"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

23"Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you,

So lie to us again about how Jesus did not say people would go to a firey hell or about how everyone will go to heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23

21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Mark 9:42-44

42"Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe to stumble, it would be better for him if, with a heavy millstone hung around his neck, he had been cast into the sea.

43"If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,

44[where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.]

So hell is an unquenchable fire. Jesus said so. It is the Lake of Fire. And again, you are proved a liar.

Revelation 20:10-15

10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Judgment at the Throne of God
11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.

12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.

14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire.

15And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

The Lake of Fire was prepared for satan and his followers. You have absolutely no understanding of the Bible.

 

[supersurfer]

I, too, would be happy if he were banned from not only the Religion forum but all the forums.

Wow! It sure is ironic for someone who uses 2ndAmendment as a pseudonym to not hold the 1st Amendment equally as important.

 

[ajhkmr97]

In Matthew 5:43-46 Christ said to love our enemies ... do right to them that hate us ... etc. If the real God had people burning in "Hell" (and He does not) then He would be the hypocrite by saying one thing and doing its opposite..

This was just another way of saying “love thy neighbor as yourself” . I don’t know where it says it specifically but the Bible states the you should settle your disputes with your brother before going to got to ask for forgiveness. Your enemy is anyone who is against you or you are against….for what ever reason. If you love your enemy…then you do not hate them…you just do not agree with their point of view on things - like me and you – I don’t hate you and do not like your point of view – but love you as my Christian brother.

God will not look at sin…. If you have hate and discontent within your heart… how can there be enough for God to reside there? If Christ is in your heart…. You will not have room for hate…

If you love your enemies….it will be hard for them to hate you. Anger begets anger….hate begets hate.

This is the kind of truth that Jesus teaches and it is the kind of truth that sets us all free. Thus Jesus is not only the savior of the orthodox Christianity, and thank God for that. :

The acceptance of Christ as our Lord and Savior sets us free – not words or acts. Jesus is the alpha and omega….no other will come before or after him…. Come on … are you a joke??? Or what????? Christianity…. Has “Christ” in it….is about “Christ”…. No one else…

Orthodox (according to Webster.com) Where does it say ANYTHING about Christianity in the definition?? Am I missing something here?

Main Entry: 1or•tho•dox
Pronunciation: 'or-th&-"däks
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English orthodoxe, from Middle French or Late Latin; Middle French orthodoxe, from Late Latin orthodoxus, from Late Greek orthodoxos, from Greek orth- + doxa opinion -- more at DOXOLOGY
1 a : conforming to established doctrine especially in religion b : CONVENTIONAL
2 capitalized : of, relating to, or constituting any of various conservative religious or political groups: as a : EASTERN ORTHODOX b : of or relating to Orthodox Judaism
- or•tho•dox•ly adverb

 

[2ndAmendment]

Wow! It sure is ironic for someone who uses 2ndAmendment as a pseudonym to not hold the 1st Amendment equally as important.

I do hold the First Amendment to be equally important. Of course the phrase about religion is not "separation of church and state". It is religious freedom without Federal government limitation. That means I can have the Ten Commandments on display in my government office if I want to. Too bad the meaning has been lost on "liberals" that are not liberal.

Amendment I (1791)
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

See this, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". It means nothing more or less. Congress cannot make a law to establish a religion. Congress cannot make a law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. There are no exemptions for schools or government buildings.

So JPC, Sr. absolutely has the right to post what he posts. I have the right to point out that he is lying about what the Bible says. I also have the right to express my opinion that the forums, especially the Religion forum, would be much better off without JPC, Sr. as a member.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I don’t know where it says it specifically but the Bible states the you should settle your disputes with your brother before going to got to ask for forgiveness.

FYI

1 Corinthians 6:1-3

1Does any one of you, when he has a case against his neighbor, dare to go to law before the unrighteous and not before the saints?

2Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?

3Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?

 

[ajhkmr97]

Wow! It sure is ironic for someone who uses 2ndAmendment as a pseudonym to not hold the 1st Amendment equally as important.

2nd never said the man did have a right to express his opinion.... but 2nd does have a point at the same time.

Its like someone saying that you cannot turn right on a red light....how strange when all driving instruction manuels say you can.

JPC is attempting to state scripture which is not in the Bible and pass it off as if is in the Bible. In other words....he is saying you can turn left at a red when you are in a turn only right lane. 2nd is trying (as well as others) to head off this wreckless driver/believer before someone gets hurt!

 

[supersurfer]

blah, blah, blah

I was refering to the part about freedom of speech.

 

[ajhkmr97]

FYI

U da man!!!! Thanks!!!!

 

[supersurfer]

2nd never said the man did have a right to express his opinion.... but 2nd does have a point at the same time.

Its like someone saying that you cannot turn right on a red light....how strange when all driving instruction manuels say you can.

JPC is attempting to state scripture which is not in the Bible and pass it off as if is in the Bible. In other words....he is saying you can turn left at a red when you are in a turn only right lane. 2nd is trying (as well as others) to head off this wreckless driver/believer before someone gets hurt!

Calling for a ban of JPC from the religion forum and somd in general would restrict freedom of speech.

Kinda like the banning of that slotted fellow.

 

[ajhkmr97]

Calling for a ban of JPC from the religion forum and somd in general would restrict freedom of speech.

Kinda like the banning of that slotted fellow.

You are absolutely correct...it would. But how else are you to deal with Trolls?

In case some may not be familiar with the term "troll" - go here:
http://curezone.com/forums/troll.asp

 

[Nickel]

Calling for a ban of JPC from the religion forum and somd in general would restrict freedom of speech.

Somd.com isn't a democracy, and as many have pointed out in the past, isn't a "public" forum.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Calling for a ban of JPC from the religion forum and somd in general would restrict freedom of speech.

Kinda like the banning of that slotted fellow.

I did not call for JPC, Sr. to be banned. I posted that I would be happy if he was.

Slotted had/has one intent in the Religion forum, to cause hate and discontent. He was warned, banned once and let back in, and then banned. I had nothing to do with it. He brought it on himself.

You obviously are here only to pick. You have described yourself as an atheist. Why do you bother with the Religion forum? Like Slotted, I think you are here only to cause trouble.

 

[ajhkmr97]

I did not call for JPC, Sr. to be banned. I posted that I would be happy if he was.

Slotted had/has one intent in the Religion forum, to cause hate and discontent. He was warned, banned once and let back in, and then banned. I had nothing to do with it. He brought it on himself.

You obviously are here only to pick. You have described yourself as an atheist. Why do you bother with the Religion forum? Like Slotted, I think you are here only to cause trouble.

Troll??

 

[2ndAmendment]

Troll??

That would be my opinion.

 

[supersurfer]

Troll??

2A is not a troll.

 

[ajhkmr97]

2A is not a troll.

Oh..goodness.... I was not calling 2A a troll..... was asking 2A a question in regards to his post.... sorry for the misunderstanding...

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Truth Will Set Us All Free.

You must be really dense…… you were being asked if you were a pedophile …. Ya know.. it was a tongue-in-cheek pun at Catholic priests “touching” children…

You were being mocked….. sorry… are being…. And its well deserved… imo

I really did know that I was giving a different answer then the nasty poster was asking. It was my way of turning up the nasty intention with a respectful response. I thought it went well.

Being a pedophile is a problem in our society and not restricted to any one Church or group.

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[JPC, Sr.]

The Truth Will Set Us All Free.

... ... ... Orthodox (according to Webster.com) Where does it say ANYTHING about Christianity in the definition?? Am I missing something here?

Main Entry: 1or•tho•dox
Pronunciation: 'or-th&-"däks
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English orthodoxe, from Middle French or Late Latin; Middle French orthodoxe, from Late Latin orthodoxus, from Late Greek orthodoxos, from Greek orth- + doxa opinion -- more at DOXOLOGY
1 a : conforming to established doctrine especially in religion b : CONVENTIONAL
2 capitalized : of, relating to, or constituting any of various conservative religious or political groups: as a : EASTERN ORTHODOX b : of or relating to Orthodox Judaism
- or•tho•dox•ly adverb

The orthodox Christianity means the established doctrine (orthodoxy) of Christianity. Like Hell and trinity and Christmas / Easter, and other orthodox beliefs.

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[JPC, Sr.]

The Truth Will Set Us All Free.

I do hold the First Amendment to be equally important. Of course the phrase about religion is not "separation of church and state". It is religious freedom without Federal government limitation. That means I can have the Ten Commandments on display in my government office if I want to. Too bad the meaning has been lost on "liberals" that are not liberal.

See this, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". It means nothing more or less. Congress cannot make a law to establish a religion. Congress cannot make a law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. There are no exemptions for schools or government buildings. ... ...

The biggest problem of the ten commandments is that the religions do not even agree on what are the ten commandments.

The Catholic version is different than the main stream Protestant ten commandments and the Jewish version is different then both of those. Plus the simplistic possition that orthodox Christianity claims (incorrectly) that the ten commandments were done away with by Christ. So posting the ten commandments would be far more difficult then just doing it. Like we would need to post at least the Catholic version and the Protestant version and the Jewish version of the ten commandments and really even Islam uses the ten commandments from Aramaic too.

The same sort of complication comes from having prayer in school or anywhere since Catholic prayer and Protestant prayer is much different and the two styles do not get along with each other.

So if the law choses one form over another then the Congress would be establishing a religion which the first amendment does not allow.

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