More on that Birth Certificate thing...

It’s funny that people will yell for the Constitution of the United States to be upheld this and oh my it violates the Constitution, however they are the same ones that have a “JIM CROWE” mentality that violates the Constitution. These are the same people that pick and chose what they will believe in the Bible.
I feel like this, if you want to obey it all, and then give them their 40 acres and a mule, and then we can fuss about a B.C. Because if they are going to enforce that, I have plenty of friends that would love to have the 40acers. Then I will need to buy some from them, however…
We are sad as a people. And half of the people from here went to school with and were friends with black people. However, when you ‘grow up’ and learn to be prejudice all of a sudden you are ‘better than’ someone else. We have a long way to go.....




Berg's website
Obama Crimes

Main Entry: non se·qui·tur
Pronunciation: \ˈnän-ˈse-kwə-tər also -ˌtu̇r\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, it does not follow
Date: 1540
1: an inference that does not follow from the premises ; specifically : a fallacy resulting from a simple conversion of a universal affirmative proposition or from the transposition of a condition and its consequent
2: a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from or is not clearly related to anything previously said
 

ylexot

Super Genius
Some people think so. I hear folks talk about it all the time. With slots coming to Maryland I was hoping to buy some for about ehhhh...20 tokens...
:cartwheel

"Some people think so." :confused: WTF does that mean? Do you mean that some people think that 40 acres and a mule is part of the Constitution? If so, those people are ignorant. To say that we'd have to follow a non-law if we're going to follow the law is just plain stupid.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
It’s funny that people will yell for the Constitution of the United States to be upheld this and oh my it violates the Constitution, however they are the same ones that have a “JIM CROWE” mentality that violates the Constitution. These are the same people that pick and chose what they will believe in the Bible.
I feel like this, if you want to obey it all, and then give them their 40 acres and a mule, and then we can fuss about a B.C. Because if they are going to enforce that, I have plenty of friends that would love to have the 40acers. Then I will need to buy some from them, however…
We are sad as a people. And half of the people from here went to school with and were friends with black people. However, when you ‘grow up’ and learn to be prejudice all of a sudden you are ‘better than’ someone else. We have a long way to go.....

This has to be one of the most random posts I've ever read. You started out talking about the Consitution, then went to the bible, then went to 40 acres and a mule, then the BC, then back to the 40 acres, then went off on something about going to school together with black people... I don't follow you, but I am very impressed. :ohwell:
 

sunmoonstars

New Member
This has to be one of the most random posts I've ever read. You started out talking about the Consitution, then went to the bible, then went to 40 acres and a mule, then the BC, then back to the 40 acres, then went off on something about going to school together with black people... I don't follow you, but I am very impressed. :ohwell:

I’m new on here; however my posts seem to fit in well with the random thoughts, blurbs, statements and posts that I have seen in the forums.
Mission accomplished. Thanks!
:buddies:
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
Anybody see (or post) this yet

http://www.soundinvestments.us/files/final_writ_keyes_v_bowen.pdf?
Interesting about the '81 travel to Pakistan, not allowed with a U.S. Passport



Yes, it is.
And this -
Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America and, thereby, his election declared void, Petitioners, as well as other Americans, will suffer irreparable harm in that an usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal.



is not something to take lightly.
 

Pandora

New Member
I have been following the birth certificate story since the very beginning, just not this thread, so I am not sure if this thought has been put out there.

My concern is that they will sweep this under the rug, if they find him not to be considered a natural born citizen and I say that because, at this moment, we, the people, have very little faith in our government. The economy is in shambles, job loss is increasing, consumer spending has drastically decreased, and news like this could just make things worse.... much worse...

I think when it is all said and done, it will be swept under the rug. :ohwell:
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Anybody see (or post) this yet

http://www.soundinvestments.us/files/final_writ_keyes_v_bowen.pdf?




Yes, it is.
And this -
Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America and, thereby, his election declared void, Petitioners, as well as other Americans, will suffer irreparable harm in that an usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal.



is not something to take lightly.


I can't stop that "Civilian National Security Force" thing from ringing in my head.:shocking:
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
Don't know whether anyone posted this article anywhere, but rather than begin another thread to follow (yikes) I'll just post this excerpt here:

Dangerous destination

Southwestern Asia was a risky place for a Westerner to visit in 1981, although it is unclear whether travel to Pakistan was actually restricted. (The U.S. government at the time advised against visits to Afghanistan and had recently lifted a ban on travel to Iran.)

Two years earlier, the Soviet Union invaded neighboring Afghanistan; the Islamic revolution toppled the Shah in Iran; a frenzied mob attacked the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad, setting it on fire and killing a U.S. Marine and two Pakistanis; and military ruler Gen. Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq hanged former prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto – Benazir Bhutto’s father – whose government he had ousted in a 1977 coup.

Pakistan in 1981 was under martial law, with opposition politicians incarcerated, judges sacked, media censorship enforced and anti-government strikes underway.

The year Obama visited was also a particularly dangerous one for Americans. During a hijacking that March of a Pakistan passenger liner, three Americans onboard were singled out and threatened with death. (Interestingly, two of the three turned out to be wanted in the U.S. and Canada, respectively, for drug-related offenses. Pakistan at the time was a major source of heroin distributed in the U.S., along with fellow “golden crescent” states Iran and Afghanistan.)

Pakistan in 1981 also was awash with Afghan refugees who had fled their homeland after the Soviet invasion – two million by the end of that year. In Karachi Afghan arrivals added to simmering sectarian and inter-ethnic tensions that was to blight Pakistan’s largest city during the 1980s and 1990s.

The U.S. in 1981 stepped up funding, via Pakistan, to Afghans fighting the Soviet forces. Thousands of Arab and other foreign mujahideen flocked to Pakistan and Afghanistan to join the war.

In the early 1980s, a Palestinian ideologue named Abdullah Azzam was coordinating the jihad from Peshawar, near the Afghanistan border. Azzam, who also taught at Islamabad’s International Islamic University, visited America numerous times during the 1980s, urging support for the war in Afghanistan.

Described as a charismatic orator, he told fanciful tales of Islamic warriors not being harmed by Soviet tanks and bullets, and slain martyrs whose corpses did not decay.

Azzam’s Peshawar center was known as the Afghan Bureau. His deputy and financier was a Saudi named Osama bin Laden. Azzam is regarded by many scholars as having laid the ideological groundwork for modern-day jihad. After his assassination in a 1989 bomb blast, bin Laden took over the bureau and developed what would become al-Qaeda.

‘Morbid thoughts’

How much – if anything – the 19- or 20-year-old Obama knew about the Afghanistan jihad during that 1981 visit is unclear. But it’s precisely the shortage of details that worries some, like veteran security analyst Bahukutumbi Raman, a former Indian counterterrorism chief.

Mulling how a President Obama would deal with each of South Asia’s historical foes, Raman said that as an Indian, he naturally felt troubled that Obama had not disclosed the Pakistan visit earlier.
CNSNews.com - Few Details Known About Obama’s Three Weeks in Pakistan
 

ImnoMensa

New Member
I have been following the birth certificate story since the very beginning, just not this thread, so I am not sure if this thought has been put out there.

My concern is that they will sweep this under the rug, if they find him not to be considered a natural born citizen and I say that because, at this moment, we, the people, have very little faith in our government. The economy is in shambles, job loss is increasing, consumer spending has drastically decreased, and news like this could just make things worse.... much worse...

I think when it is all said and done, it will be swept under the rug. :ohwell:

I agree with you, although this latest filing by Allan Keyes is a new element, I too believe we will never know the entire truth in this matter. It will be swept away by Executive Privilege of the new Illigitimate President.
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
I agree with you, although this latest filing by Allan Keyes is a new element, I too believe we will never know the entire truth in this matter. It will be swept away by Executive Privilege of the new Illigitimate President.

If the CA court stops the CA electors from casting votes until he provides some documentation of his birth- then they cannot sweep it under the rug. If this court refuses to touch this, Alan Keyes will go up the ladder. I think Keyes may have more reputable standing than the other guy(s) and he was a candidate for President, so he has even more of a legal interest. There are about 10 or so similar cases right now in courts throughout the US.

I know full well this may all sounds like tin foil hat stuff & may turn out to all be nothing. But please. There are just too many extenuating circumstances about this guy which do not match up (listed in the posts here) - and if there is a plausible explanation - then why Obama wouldn't just clear them up with a simple submission of that vault birth certificate is beyond me.

It is a constitutional requirement to provide proof of eligibility. It is constitutional requirement to require proof eligibility. Has either requirement been met in this situation? Period. That's really what it boils down to. It's in the constitution. If that means nothing - then we're all screwed.
 
As I've said before, I don't really have an opinion on the merits of this issue (i.e. whether or not Obama is in fact a natural born citizen). I would say that my hunch is that he is a natural born citizen, but that doesn't much matter because I'm not in a position to know. Bear in mind, even if he wasn't born in Hawaii, there is still a strong likelihood that he is legally defined by U.S. code as a citizen at birth, and thus a natural born citizen.

That having been said, I believe there is a way to make sure that this issue is heard by the Supreme Court. As it stands now, SCOTUS is being asked to review the case based on its appellate jurisdiction, which in this kind of a case is discretionary. They don't have to consider the case if they don't want to, and as I've said, I suspect that they will choose not to. Even if Alan Keyes' case was brought to SCOTUS, it would go through the same process. SCOTUS could very well deny his petition for a writ of cert; and thus, would never consider the merits of the case.

BUT, there are some instances where SCOTUS has original jurisdiction and is entitled to be the original adjudicator of a case. More importantly, per U.S. code Title 28, there are some cases in which SCOTUS has original and exclusive jurisdiction. In other words, they are the only ones that can hear the case - not state courts, not lower federal courts. Those cases are ones in which there is a dispute between two or more states.

So, if a state filed a petition for a peremptory writ of mandate against any or all of the states that Obama won, asking the court to order those states not to certify the electors on the basis of Obama's possible ineligibility to the office of Presidency, it would be the duty of SCOTUS to hear that petition. They could of course dismiss it on various grounds, one of those being standing. I suspect that another state would be found to have standing though, since they are an equal sovereign entity within the Republic for which a President is being chosen. They could no doubt be injured by the inauguration of an ineligible President. If SCOTUS dismissed the case on other grounds, they would likely be saying that they don't think this case has any merit. At the very least, we would probably have an assessment by the Supreme Court on the merits of the issue in general, which we won't necessarily get with Berg's petition.

Would a state that voted heavily for McCain be willing to enter such a petition? That probably depends on whether or not they believe the case has any merit to begin with.

Anyway, I'm just looking at possible scenarios from a purely academic standpoint.
 

ylexot

Super Genius
Bear in mind, even if he wasn't born in Hawaii, there is still a strong likelihood that he is legally defined by U.S. code as a citizen at birth, and thus a natural born citizen.

Actually, if he wasn't born in the US, he is not a natural born citizen because a) his father wasn't a US citizen and b) the age of his mother.
 
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