More on that Birth Certificate thing...

[Bann]

You actually raise a valid and interesting argument. The fact that Obama has tried so hard to simply make this go away (vice answering it) is the single largest reason I have any interest in it at all. That same reasoning, however, should apply to the "loyal opposition"; their silence may speak volumes.

However, I think of who they are - politicians. It gains them exactly zero to be boisterous over this issue, because it's already in the court system to be answered by proper authority. The only thing that can happen is that they look stupid if/when it's proven an invalid argument. So, it's a lose situation for them to speak, and a no-loss situation for them to just wait it out. In their position, I'd wait it out.

 

[Rommey]

OK, if the SCOTUS agrees to hear the case and entertain oral arguments, could the court compel 0bama to produce a certified copy of his BC? I mean, has the SCOTUS ever required any "evidence" to be submitted? I was under the impression the court only heard arguments and that the extent of the testimony would be interpretation of laws, treaties, conflicts between the states, etc. but no actual physical evidence would be presented.

Inquiring minds want to know...

 

[awpitt]

OK, if the SCOTUS agrees to hear the case and entertain oral arguments, could the court compel 0bama to produce a certified copy of his BC? I mean, has the SCOTUS ever required any "evidence" to be submitted? I was under the impression the court only heard arguments and that the extent of the testimony would be interpretation of laws, treaties, conflicts between the states, etc. but no actual physical evidence would be presented.

Inquiring minds want to know...

I think SCOTUS can send the case back to the lower court and order that court to hear the case which could allow evidence to be introduced.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

:shrug: The .jpeg file posted on FactCheck.org (owned by the Annenburg Foundation) has had the serial number blacked out (why?) and states at the bottom it's not legal if altered.

this one?

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

Washington Times - State declares Obama birth certificate genuine

righties, you all fail

 

[aps45819]

this one?

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg

No, that's the one where they call his father's race "African" which is not a race and in the '60s he would have been "negro"
Here's the one with the serial number blanked. There seem to be more differences between both versions.

That might be the reason folks want it produced in court.

 

[aps45819]

Washington Times - State declares Obama birth certificate genuine

righties, you all fail

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

and yet he spent over $800,000 in legal fees so he wouldn't have to show it to Berg in PA.

Does that make sense to you?

 

[Bann]

Washington Times - State declares Obama birth certificate genuine

righties, you all fail

Have you read the entire thread? Someone posted this before. The article is an AP story which does NOT contain what the headline claims.

HONOLULU (AP) - State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

The Health Director and the registrar of vital statistics do NOT say he was born in Hawaii. They say they've personally verified the HD holds Obama's original birth certificate.

How rewarding it must be for you to be such an idiot. You do it so well.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

No, that's the one where they call his father's race "African" which is not a race and in the '60s he would have been "negro"
Here's the one with the serial number blanked. There seem to be more differences between both versions.

Hawaii had laser printers in 1961?









It's obvious the birth certificate produced by the Obama campaign was a reprint. And it is legal to order a reprint of your COLB.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

Have you read the entire thread? Someone posted this before. The article is an AP story which does NOT contain what the headline claims.



The Health Director and the registrar of vital statistics do NOT say he was born in Hawaii. They say they've personally verified the HD holds Obama's original birth certificate.

How rewarding it must be for you to be such an idiot. You do it so well.

again, the COLB presented to The Annenberg Foundation by the Obama Campaign is an official reprint. That's legal by law. If you lost your COLB (but I guess that doesnt happen to anyone since it's a big ####in deal), you can order an official copy. Costs $20 in the People's Fascist Republic of Maryland I believe.

 

[aps45819]

Hawaii had laser printers in 1961?

It's obvious the birth certificate produced by the Obama campaign was a reprint. And it is legal to order a reprint of your COLB.

It's not an original or a reprint.
It's an electronic copy in the .jpg file format that has been altered and that's the problem.
NOBODY that is not connected with his campaign has seen a paper copy

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

The Health Director and the registrar of vital statistics do NOT say he was born in Hawaii.

So them confirming they had the original BC means he was born in Kenya? Just because they didn't say he was born in Hawaii (when the question appeared to be if they had his BC on file)?



Okay then.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

It's not an original or a reprint.
It's an electronic copy in the .jpg file format that has been altered and that's the problem.
NOBODY that is not connected with his campaign has seen a paper copy

So the LA Times, PolitiFact.com, and the Hawaii Department of Health are all connected with his campaign and in on the conspiracy as well?

Ok.

 

[awpitt]

Actually, I know you as well as I care to. Maybe drooling is a little strong, salivating might have been a better choice.

Not even salivating but that's better than drooling. If McCain had won, I wouldn't have had a problem with that. I'm just glad that W's term is coming to a close.

Wouldn't it depend on how it is handled? If they declare this as an important Constitutional issue and then demand proof of birth then whatever result is found will be the right decision, would it not?

Yes. That's why I'm waiting to hear what the high court has to say instead of all these other claims.

What bridges are those Tony? It seems that the point a person is challenged is only when they are designated as President-elect (20th Amendment). At what other time must a Presidential candidate provide any proof whatsoever?

When he or she files. When I filed for delegate in 92, I had to go to Annapolis to file. I went with the other delegate candidates who were pledged to Bob Kerrey. I had to provide my proof and Bob Kerrey's rep had to submit Kerrey's proof. Now, that was just MD so I can't speak for the other 49 but my guess is that the citizenship question was addressed somewhere along the way. At the very least, a GOP leaning Secretary of State somewhere can refuse to certify the candidate or, later on, the electors. Niether has happened.

Way back when? You mean like at the time he was selected as the candidate for his party? Seems to me that is exactly when Berg brought suit against him.

I was thinking during the primary campaign. All the times Obama's opponents brought up Ayers and Wright, they should've also been talking about the BC question. It didn't happen during the primaries nor did McCain or Palin bring it up during the general election.

It also seems that this "experience" shows how little vetting for qualification is done by those charged with overseeing the selection/election process.

You're right about the veting process. There should be a standard procedure, handled by the FEC, every POTUS candidate must go through so there is never any doubt.

 

[Rommey]

I think SCOTUS can send the case back to the lower court and order that court to hear the case which could allow evidence to be introduced.

So, the New Jersey Supreme court would have to make a ruling on the facts?
If that court rules he is, in fact, ineligible, do the other states automatically invalidate their elections based on this ruling?

 

[Pete]

again, the COLB presented to The Annenberg Foundation by the Obama Campaign is an official reprint. That's legal by law. If you lost your COLB (but I guess that doesnt happen to anyone since it's a big ####in deal), you can order an official copy. Costs $20 in the People's Fascist Republic of Maryland I believe.

You are such an idiot.

 

[aps45819]

again, the COLB presented to The Annenberg Foundation by the Obama Campaign is an official reprint. That's legal by law. If you lost your COLB (but I guess that doesnt happen to anyone since it's a big ####in deal), you can order an official copy. Costs $20 in the People's Fascist Republic of Maryland I believe.

So why not produce it in court instead of spending $800,000 in legaql fees?
Since Obama worked for the Annenberg foundation and arranged grants for them so they could contribute to his campaign, I really don't think they're impartial.

 

[Pete]

So the LA Times, PolitiFact.com, and the Hawaii Department of Health are all connected with his campaign and in on the conspiracy as well?

Ok.

You human skin tag, since when are the LA Times, Politifact.com and the Hawaii Department of Health finders of legal fact of federal law?

You kill me

 

[Bann]

again, the COLB presented to The Annenberg Foundation by the Obama Campaign is an official reprint. That's legal by law. If you lost your COLB (but I guess that doesnt happen to anyone since it's a big ####in deal), you can order an official copy. Costs $20 in the People's Fascist Republic of Maryland I believe.

AGAIN, you didn't read what I wrote. And again, I can see that you haven't read the thread because this has been covered.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

So why not produce it in court instead of spending $800,000 in legaql fees?
Since Obama worked for the Annenberg foundation and arranged grants for them so they could contribute to his campaign, I really don't think they're impartial.

where did you get this $800,000 figure?

you pull this out of your ass or a rightie blog report this?