Mr Vinderman - That's Lieutenant Colonel Vindman.

black dog

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:killingme

I guess you didn't spend a lot of time around navy officers. Talk about arrogance. I met a few great ones but conversely ran into more than my share of self important ***s.

Old joke,
If i'm at a party with 200 attendees and there are 3 Navy Jet Jockeys in attendance, how will I know who they are?

One that was a friend, neighbor or family could call my"Father" a Master Chief Petty Officer by a few names.
Sir always worked for his children, Mr S#!&%, Ralph or Master Chief.
When he grew old I got away with calling him Master Chief and after my son was in JROTC he could call his Grandfather Master Chief...
I wish he could see his grandson, he makes Corpral net mo
 
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littlelady

God bless the USA
I agree that members of the military should be addressed by their specific rank or the generally accepted address ("Colonel" vs. "Lt Colonel") especially in that setting. He was right to correct members of Congress on that point.

As an aside, as a group, in any of the services, Navy Chiefs are especially arrogant when it comes to addressing them by their specific rank and their inherent obsession of being God-like, IMO. [Spoken as a retired Air Force MSgt who had to deal with the Navy (and Army and Marines) during my active duty days and in retirement as a contractor.]

A patriot is a patriot, unless he/she decides to become a traitor. I just realized that patriot, and traitor have the same letters; except for the lettter “pee”. That is the question. It all reminds me of babysitting. But, my grandtots that I babysit are innocent. I worry about their future. I can’t protect them forever.
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black dog

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Monello said:
:killingme

I guess you didn't spend a lot of time around navy officers. Talk about arrogance. I met a few great ones but conversely ran into more than my share of self important ***s.
Old joke,
If i'm at a party with 200 attendees and there are 3 Navy Jet Jockeys in attendance, how will I know who they are?

One that was a friend, neighbor or family could call my"Father" a Master Chief Petty Officer by a few names.
Sir always worked for his children, Mr S#!&%, Ralph or Master Chief.
When he grew old I got away with calling him Master Chief and after my son was in JROTC he could call his Grandfather Master Chief...
I wish he could see his grandson, He would grumble " Another ****ing Marine" he makes Corporal next month, less than two years dad.
Sargent in under four is his plan... I miss you,,,,,,,
 

The Boss

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tr...onald-trump-n1086441?cid=par-xfinity_20191120


Why Lt. Col. Vindman is a 'dangerous' witness for Pres. Trump:
NOV. 19, 201903:28

........................"Lt. Col. Vindman brought receipts," Rep. Eric Swalwell, D-Calif., a member of the Intelligence Committee, wrote in a tweet directed at Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio. "You can keep smearing a decorated war hero, but he brought his performance review today."
The other witnesses — Volker, Morrison and Jennifer Williams — were expected to provide testimony helpful to the president.
They did not.
It was bad enough that the main question multiple Republican lawmakers had for witnesses was whether they had observed others committing acts of bribery, extortion or treason — questions that both called upon the witnesses to act as juries and could have exposed them to legal jeopardy had they answered in the affirmative.
 

PrchJrkr

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I must be missing something. What did Vindman do in war to be called a hero? Does receiving a purple heart qualify?
 

nutz

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tr...onald-trump-n1086441?cid=par-xfinity_20191120


Why Lt. Col. Vindman is a 'dangerous' witness for Pres. Trump:
NOV. 19, 201903:28

........................"Lt. Col. Vindman brought receipts," Rep. Eric Swalwell, D-Calif., a member of the Intelligence Committee, wrote in a tweet directed at Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio. "You can keep smearing a decorated war hero, but he brought his performance review today."
The other witnesses — Volker, Morrison and Jennifer Williams — were expected to provide testimony helpful to the president.
They did not.
It was bad enough that the main question multiple Republican lawmakers had for witnesses was whether they had observed others committing acts of bribery, extortion or treason — questions that both called upon the witnesses to act as juries and could have exposed them to legal jeopardy had they answered in the affirmative.
:lmao::lmao: They are all testifying to what they think they understood or may have heard.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
But it's not a big deal except to those who think they're more important than they really are.


I mean he had the balls to ' call out Trump ' for his behavior ... obviously he is better than the rest of us
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Timothy Morrison, Alexander Vindman’s Boss, Reveals Problems They Had With Vindman


Morrison also confirmed that Vindman did not keep him in the loop about all the things that he was doing in the job and that Vindman went behind his back and did not inform him about the concerns that he had about President Donald Trump’s July 25 phone call with the president of Ukraine.

“If he had concerns about something about the content of the call, that’s something that I expected that I would have been notified of,” Morrison said. “I also think as a matter of practice, since we both went to the lawyers, we didn’t both need to.”

“At any point subsequently, did [Vindman] become frustrated that he felt cut out of some of the Ukraine portfolio?” Castor asked.

“Yes,” Morrison responded, adding that Vindman was upset that he was not invited on a trip to Ukraine.


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Vindman was also repeatedly grilled by Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), who questioned Vindman’s behavior, saying, ““Here’s what I’m getting at, the lawyer told you don’t talk to any other people and you interpret that as not talking to your boss, but you talked to your brother, you talked to the lawyers, you talked to Secretary Kent, and you talked to the one guy Adam Schiff won’t let you tell us who he is.”

“Is that right?” Jordan asked.

“I did my job,” Vindman said in defense.
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
The more I have seen of him, the more I see that Vindman is a sniveling, whiny little peon who fansied himself as more important than he was. He is in up to his eyes in this and when it all comes out, I won't be surprised to see him facing military charges. :yay:
 

stgislander

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PREMO Member
Old joke,
If i'm at a party with 200 attendees and there are 3 Navy Jet Jockeys in attendance, how will I know who they are?

One that was a friend, neighbor or family could call my"Father" a Master Chief Petty Officer by a few names.
Sir always worked for his children, Mr S#!&%, Ralph or Master Chief.
When he grew old I got away with calling him Master Chief and after my son was in JROTC he could call his Grandfather Master Chief...
I wish he could see his grandson, he makes Corpral net mo
To this day if I meet someone who retired as a Master Chief, I still address them as Master Chief.
 

Yooper

Up. Identified. Lase. Fire. On the way.
For all you folks who see Vindman as so heroic (though I'm betting much of that support comes from needing something - anything - to support The Majority's clown show) or choose not to believe what I and some others have written about this "patriot" and his insistence on "lieutenant colonel" how 'bout this:

Here's a sample:
Tim Kennedy, an active, Green Beret, Special Forces Sniper with tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, said “correcting a civilian about how to be addressed is for sure a way to make everyone in the military think you’re a douche bag.”

Here's his tweet:


Click on over. Be educated.

But not yet. Here's a tweet from Sara Carter confirming other officers supporting LTC Hickman's reprimand of Vindman (remember his pro-Russian, anti-American remarks at Grafenwoehr?):


Here's the deal: while we respect Vindman's uniform we don't respect the dude wearing it.

--- End of line (MCP)
 
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BernieP

Resident PIA
Here or the Impeachment thread, guess it doesn't matter.
I think the two political hacks just got out maneuvered - that would be Vindeman and the woman who was on the Pence side of the house.
Wonder how the Democrats will treat this member of the military.
Statement from Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg, National Security Advisor to Vice President Mike Pence

FOREIGN POLICY

Issued on: November 19, 2019

Beginning January 20, 2017, I was privileged to serve as Chief of Staff at the National Security Council. Since April 23, 2018, I have served as National Security Advisor to the Vice President of the United States. In my role in the Office of the Vice President, Jennifer Williams, a detailee from the U.S. Department of State, has reported to me since April 1, 2019.
I was on the much-reported July 25 call between President Donald Trump and President Zelensky. As an exceedingly proud member of President Trump’s Administration and as a 34-year highly experienced combat veteran who retired with the rank of Lieutenant General in the Army, I heard nothing wrong or improper on the call. I had and have no concerns. Ms. Williams was also on the call, and as she testified, she never reported any personal or professional concerns to me, her direct supervisor, regarding the call. In fact, she never reported any personal or professional concerns to any other member of the Vice President’s staff, including our Chief of Staff and the Vice President.
Today, in her testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Ms. Williams also accurately testified regarding the Vice President’s preparation for and conduct during his September 1 meeting in Poland with President Zelensky. In her testimony, she affirmed that the Vice President focused on President Zelensky’s anti-corruption efforts and the lack of European support and never mentioned former Vice President Joe Biden, Crowdstrike, Burisma, or investigations in any communication with Ukrainians.
In my over 40-years in uniform and additional federal service, I am honored to serve this President and this Vice President as we advance the interests of the American people.

For you knuckle dragging liberals, that's I'll see your Lt. Col., raise him to a full bird Col and then add three stars.
 

BOP

Well-Known Member
I may not support his testimony but I do support his point regarding his title. His title was earned and he is entitled to be referred to as LtCol. It is an acknowledgement of his position. If someone had called me Mister or E-7 when I was a Chief Petty Officer I would have done the same as he did. Later as a commissioned officer I felt the same. We address doctors, political persons, and a host of others by their title to recognize their accomplishments. I see no braggadocio or self-importance by LtCol Vindman's request.
Yup, you're that guy.
 
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