New World Order

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

More incomplete information.

Jesus reigns on earth for 1000 years after His return. Then comes the judgment and that is when those that do not make it into the kingdom of heaven are cast into the lake of fire along with satan and the angles that followed him.

That is not being Orthodox by 2A,

and as such I am very pleased to see it.

Being honestly wrong is better then a subservient sheep to the slaughter.

So cheers to 2A.

JPC, you apparently just don't have the intellect to really read and understand what you read. Dropped on your head as a baby, too many drugs, too much alcohol, whatever the cause, you are apparently missing a lot of cognitive ability.

Nothing I can do about that if any of it were true or not,

but I do believe that you and all others do indeed have the intellect to understand the scriptures completely.

Of course we each must be sincerely honest and dig deep for the full truths.

 

[migtig]

Revelation 22:18-19: “For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. If any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life and out of the holy city and from the things written in this book.”

Sounds like to me, that you all are doing just that. You don't know the when, where or the why. You aren't supposed to. :shrug:

 

[Marie]

Finally, i find it repugnant that people who claim they do gods work try to scare good people into believing as they do with the threats of hell and eternal damnation.

I am truly sorry you feel that way, but if you love someone you try to tell them of impending danger or push them out of the way before the truck hits them!

You do bring up a good point though, without realizing it. Without an effectual calling on your heart softening you to God, you cant except anything about him. You are an enemy of God and cant understand or desire to know him.

Some maybe here to just to be heard, some to chide debate, some just to get people in a twist, but I am sure others are here for those few that although they have a position on things are still open, seeking or know that theres something more than what they believe in and are willing to hear.
With the prayers of your friends in here, may you become the latter!

 

[tommyjones]

Accepting the love of Jesus is not a "scare" tactic... it's called "love", of which most people in society believe "love" to be a good thing. Consequences are not preached, they are received. A person need not fear hell or any punishment if they have received the love of God in that Jesus died for our sins.

You've never shared your "younger" god... you only claim disrespect towards religion(s) and orthodoxy(s). When a person continually says they don't believe, one can only gather they "don't believe". If your not an atheist, great... if you are, great... we each stand accountable to our own beliefs.


This site is for various opinions on religions... I agree... so give us some of your religion (or belief in a young, suit wearing god) and maybe we would have dialogue.

I dont believe in a humanesque god at all. I think it is our pride that makes god out in our image. I beleive in a more taoist approach, an eternal life force that is not human like at all. exactly what it is i dont know, we may find out one day, and we may not.


so this society of love is what we are talking about when we are discussing the new world order? Funny, i thought it was the death and torture or nonbelievrs :shrug:

 

[tommyjones]

I am truly sorry you feel that way, but if you love someone you try to tell them of impending danger or push them out of the way before the truck hits them!

You do bring up a good point though, without realizing it. Without an effectual calling on your heart softening you to God, you cant except anything about him. You are an enemy of God and cant understand or desire to know him.

Some maybe here to just to be heard, some to chide debate, some just to get people in a twist, but I am sure others are here for those few that although they have a position on things are still open, seeking or know that theres something more than what they believe in and are willing to hear.
With the prayers of your friends in here, may you become the latter!

WHO THE EFF are you to decide who god's enemies are?

Sounds like you are one of the more judgemental people around

 

[Marie]

so, broken down, you will spend eternity in the pit unless you do what we (the church) say.

Ask any Christian and they will tell you that there quality of life is much better since comming to Christ. NOT because of any special bennies! Just that when you let go of the trappings of sin, life is better.

Ever hear a fish dosent know its wet? When your chasing after sinfull desires you dont realize it. Putting that inslavement behind you is freeing to allow you to enjoy more of life. Its not about doing what the church ask of you!

Of course if you try to live out your faith and serve Christ people will hate you like they hated Christ, even for something as simple as sharing your faith but he says his yoke is easy and it is. Sin is not a private matter it always effects others around you as well as your self. Think about it!

Make a list of sins and look at how they hurt you and others. Giving up a sinful lifestyle to put your focus on God is NOT loosing anything you would really want to hang on to.

 

[Marie]

WHO THE EFF are you to decide who god's enemies are?

Sounds like you are one of the more judgemental people around

The Bibe says that all mankind, anyone born of a man and a woman are enemies of God this is stated clearly in Genesis because of Adams sin. Its only the Justification that Christ provides through salvation that makes us exceptable in Gods eyes.

Thats why people dont understand the need for a savior from their sin. They dont understand how God truley sees mankind or his standards by which he judges us of our sin.

 

[vegmom]

Revelation 22:18-19: “For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. If any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life and out of the holy city and from the things written in this book.”

Sounds like to me, that you all are doing just that. You don't know the when, where or the why. You aren't supposed to. :shrug:

Here is an interesting link:

No One Knows

 

[Xaquin44]

The Bibe says that all mankind, anyone born of a man and a woman are enemies of God this is stated clearly in Genesis because of Adams sin. Its only the Justification that Christ provides through salvation that makes us exceptable in Gods eyes.

that's right!

because someone else sinned once a long assed time ago, we are all gods enemies ....

even if god did create all I still wouldn't worship him. According to his pompous self-appointed messengers he's kind of a jerk.

 

[tommyjones]

The Bibe says that all mankind, anyone born of a man and a woman are enemies of God this is stated clearly in Genesis because of Adams sin. Its only the Justification that Christ provides through salvation that makes us exceptable in Gods eyes.

Thats why people dont understand the need for a savior from their sin. They dont understand how God truley sees mankind or his standards by which he judges us of our sin.

do you consider your children your enemies?

I certainly dont, and i wouldn't think an omnipotent god would either.

to my karma giver, my god is ok with my choices. and you are just as likely to be wrong as i am. only difference is that if you are right you will be the same place as me in the end, judging is certainly wrong in the eyes of the lord.

 

[Marie]

do you consider your children your enemies?

I certainly dont, and i wouldn't think an omnipotent god would either.

to my karma giver, my god is ok with my choices. and you are just as likely to be wrong as i am. only difference is that if you are right you will be the same place as me in the end, judging is certainly wrong in the eyes of the lord.

Serious questions.
Will your god provide a payment for your sins?
Does he promise you life?
How does your god decide who's in and whos out?
Is your god alive today? do you have a relationship with him, or anyway to know hes real and not just in your imignation?
How can one call God their father if they dont know him?
Without salvation through Christ ones not an heir, he cant be a father if your not part of the family.

 

[Starman3000m]

do you consider your children your enemies?

I certainly dont, and i wouldn't think an omnipotent god would either.

to my karma giver, my god is ok with my choices. and you are just as likely to be wrong as i am. only difference is that if you are right you will be the same place as me in the end, judging is certainly wrong in the eyes of the lord.

Were your parents OK with your choices whenever you disobeyed their directives? Did you ever resent their authority over you and did you ever think that you knew more than they?

According to the Holy Bible all mankind has been disobedient to God through the inherent fall of Adam and it is apparent in the actions of human nature and for this reason we live spiritually separated from God.

Through this separation mankind does not have a personal relationship with God until there is a reconciliation and forgiveness. This reconciliation and forgiveness can only be obtained through the Plan of Salvation that God freely offers - but one has to sincerely seek God's forgiveness and receive the Atoning Blood that has been shed on their behalf as an acceptable sacrifice.

Through Yeshua's mediation we become adopted into the family of God and are able to be called the Children of God. It is up to you to continue believing that you can be good enough to merit entry into heaven by your "good works". I certainly am not good enough and do not judge you for your life.
As mentioned before, there was a time that I just believed that God existed but did not comprehend the need to receive Yeshua as my personal Lord and saviour.

I continue to pray for you Tommy and hope that one day you will comprehend the relationship God desires all to have with Him through His Son's sacrifice. That offer has always been there - it's just that people continue to think and be taught that the God they believe in will not hold them accountable for all the disobedience they have ever committed.

The Holy Bible states that there is no longer condemnation to those who are covered by the Atoning Blood of Yeshua and that is why God wants you to accept what His Son did on your behalf.

God Did For Mankind What Abraham Was Going To Do For God.

 

[Marie]

that's right!

because someone else sinned once a long assed time ago, we are all gods enemies ....

even if god did create all I still wouldn't worship him. According to his pompous self-appointed messengers he's kind of a jerk.

Paul called himself the chief of sinners, I think I got him beat by a long shot.
Pompus? I dont know anyone that needs Gods grace more than me, or is more greatful for it.

His messengers are human and flawed and make mistakes, the only difference is they see themselves, for how badly they really need a savior for their sins.

Its not Adams fault, you or I would have done the same thing being exposed to sin for the first time. God knowing that made a provision for us and paid the debt. How much more can you ask for?

I. The character we were under when Christ died for us.

He died for the ungodly; not only helpless creatures, and therefore likely to perish, but guilty sinful creatures, and therefore deserving to perish; not only mean and worthless, but vile and obnoxious, unworthy of such favour with the holy God.

 

[mAlice]

He died for the ungodly

Between this and the thousand year reign, I'd say we have nothing to worry about.

 

[Xaquin44]

Its not Adams fault, you or I would have done the same thing being exposed to sin for the first time. God knowing that made a provision for us and paid the debt. How much more can you ask for?

If it wasn't Adam's fault (which I agree with), then why was he punished?

If god is all knowing then he knew it wasn't his fault.

 

[Marie]

If it wasn't Adam's fault (which I agree with), then why was he punished?

If god is all knowing then he knew it wasn't his fault.

Here's my two cents for what its worth and the biblical scholars can correct me .

It was Adams fault that he didnt excersise his authority over Eve and break up the conversation with the serpant he was right there just kicking back taking it all in. Remember Adam had dominion over all living things.

The way it wasnt his fault as this was the first time man was exposed to sin, it exsisted before and caused the fall of the angles, but this is the first man expirenced it. Any man would have made the same mistake. It was his fault as he still chose to eat and knew better but followed his own desires with a little help from the serpant to wake up those desires in him.
Sin is designed to appeal to our nature the self and seperate us from God, whether its guilt over the sin or the arrogance of doing our own thing and not submitting to Gods will for us.

Everything in Gods perfect plan of salvation is to bring honor and glory to him. He let things unfold so man could see repeatedly overhistory what his nature truley is. Preventing Adam from sinning would make him a puppet of sorts and not have free will. In the Garden we see God wanted a relationship with man this goes on all throughout history God keeps extending himself so that man can have a relationship with him.
Finally man reached a point that the only way God could forgive him was a perfect scrafice that only God was able to provide. Himself.
Without Adam starting the sin cycle there is no Christ to interupt it.
Everything is to bring honor and glory to God!

 

[ItalianScallion]

to my karma giver, my god is ok with my choices. and you are just as likely to be wrong as i am. only difference is that if you are right you will be the same place as me in the end, judging is certainly wrong in the eyes of the lord.

Just a note to all here: I NEVER have nor will give red karma out. I'll disagree with you on the forum for all to read. When I give out green though, I always sign each one. Just so you'll know it's NOT me who doesn't sign it.

Its not Adams fault, you or I would have done the same thing being exposed to sin for the first time.

A mis speak here? It was Adam's, Eve's & the serpents fault and yes we all would have done it too. We are responsible for our own sins and we can't blame others (James 1 v 14). Others can influence us, but it is ultimately our choice to sin.
I'm really saddened to see how satan has blinded people's eyes to our trying to help them. Not that every Christian does it correctly, but when we are trying to share our "pot of gold" with some of you and you look at it as an act of hatred, narrow mindedness or bigotry, it just floors me. (Well, even Jesus own brother's didn't believe in Him for a time either). Why don't some of you open your eyes and see that some of us are really here to honestly help you? We have the ONLY answer to what you don't want now but MIGHT spend eternity wishing you had. These end times signs are predicted in the Bible, like it or not. You'd be very wise to read it for yourself and stop denying it. 2 Peter 3 v 3 and 1 Thessalonians 5 and Revelation. Revelation is a tough book but sometimes a "surface read" will get anyones attention.

 

[Xaquin44]

Just a note to all here: I NEVER have nor will give red karma out. I'll disagree with you on the forum for all to read. When I give out green though, I always sign each one. Just so you'll know it's NOT me who doesn't sign it.

A mis speak here? It was Adam's, Eve's & the serpents fault and yes we all would have done it too. We are responsible for our own sins and we can't blame others (James 1 v 14). Others can influence us, but it is ultimately our choice to sin.
I'm really saddened to see how satan has blinded people's eyes to our trying to help them. Not that every Christian does it correctly, but when we are trying to share our "pot of gold" with some of you and you look at it as an act of hatred, narrow mindedness or bigotry, it just floors me. (Well, even Jesus own brother's didn't believe in Him for a time either). Why don't some of you open your eyes and see that some of us are really here to honestly help you? We have the ONLY answer to what you don't want now but MIGHT spend eternity wishing you had. These end times signs are predicted in the Bible, like it or not. You'd be very wise to read it for yourself and stop denying it. 2 Peter 3 v 3 and 1 Thessalonians 5 and Revelation. Revelation is a tough book but sometimes a "surface read" will get anyones attention.

christians disagreeing with christians!

I hardly believe my eyes!

 

[fredcaudle]

so, broken down, you will spend eternity in the pit unless you do what we (the church) say.

no... if you don't do what God desires for you and that He has already done for you. Believe in Him through Jesus, not the church.

 

[fredcaudle]

I dont believe in a humanesque god at all. I think it is our pride that makes god out in our image. I beleive in a more taoist approach, an eternal life force that is not human like at all. exactly what it is i dont know, we may find out one day, and we may not.


so this society of love is what we are talking about when we are discussing the new world order? Funny, i thought it was the death and torture or nonbelievrs :shrug:

nonbelievers are judged...

Eternity in heaven are those who accept God's desire given in love through Jesus.

So what happens to those who don't believe in a pride god? Do they get a less eternity or is it like JPC preaches that we all get the same even if we are good or bad?