No more Confederate flag for Lynyrd Skynyrd

[JPCusick]

Reply.

You disagree with what? That they shouldn't sell out the good in their heritage? Taking the South, all of it, ...

The real Southern heritage is NOT shown in the rebel flag.

The rebel flag never really represented anything other than racist and traitors.

The flag of the USA represents the south and the north, the east and west, as the American flag stands for the entire USA.

Of the original 13 colonies there were Georgia, North and South Carolina, Virginia and our own Maryland are all included by the 13 stripes of the American flag, Link.

All the other States are represented by the 50 stars on the flag of the USA.

The southern States that rebelled against their own flag also rebelled against their own founders who formulated and signed the US Constitution.

Even George Washington himself came from Virginia, so the rebels betrayed their own.

Then the southern rebels created their own style "Constitution" which tells us what the rebels wanted for the "south" which was to keep the "negro" race as slaves under the force of law forever.

Below is quoted from the racist constitution, Article 4, Section 3, line 3.

"In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States."
Link = Constitution of the Confederate States = as that is what the rebels stood for and fought for.

We can even compare the rebel flag to the Nazi flag of Germany, as claiming the Nazi flag represented the German heritage - but instead there is a real flag of Germany.

The Nazi flag is like the rebel flag in that they both only represent the racism and the violent cruelties.

The rebel flag simple does NOT represent the South or the southern heritage.

 

[migtig]

You said this:

I am very sorry to see Skynrd take this position and, in my view, degrade a large part of distinct Southern culture that rests on the graves of many a white boy who long ago gave his life for his home soil having never owned another person nor ever wished to. This coming from a person who has self identified as a union man since the day I learned we had a civil war.

Shame, Skynrd. Shame.

And now you say this:

My point exactly. Ergo, it is non sense to slam Skynrd for representing the ONE thing they never represented.

:shrug:


And, please, stop with the culture war. To exclude me from being Southern is to then go to the next step in absurdity and start arguing the differences between Alabamians and Georgians and Carolinian's, North and South, and so on and so forth. You can't say I'm not because I am from one place and then argue you are. Unless you come from all 11 states.

So you are obviously very confused. Either you are upset about LS not using a Rebel Flag, or you aren't. I disagreed with your original pov, a Rebel flag does not make one Southern. I tried to explain it to you and then you got on your high horse and made this about a "culture war". Man, you are nuts.

 

[Larry Gude]

You said this:

And now you say this:


So you are obviously very confused... Man, you are nuts.

Or I am simply not communicating very well which does not exclude me from, as well, being nuts.

JCP boilds the flag, and Skynrd, down to slavery. My former comments pertain to Skynrd, and the flag, being about much more than that without excluding slavery. It is an indelible part of Southern, and US, history.

My latter comment you quote is reiterating those points.

You and I tiffing over who is a Southerner and who is not based on where you were born is a separate issue.

 

[Gilligan]

My father's great grandfather was the only one of four brothers from NW Alabama that survived the war; the other three died of wounds (2) or disease (1). Fighting for the Confederacy, of course.

Doesn't that make me "southern"?

 

[JPCusick]

Response.

Retread

I like that.

Hey JPC...

The Aryan Nation also uses the U.S. flag as well as the Christian flag displayed in some Protestant churches.

The Aryan Nation has a lot in common with the rebel flag.

The AN does not thereby pollute our American flag.

I had never heard of the "Christian flag" but I do recognize that flag from KKK photos, and yet the KKK will always have the rebel flag nearby.

It is expected that the Nazis and Aryans would fly and praise the rebel flag.

 

[bcp]

What do you guys think it means to be southern?

I am from a much more geographically southern area that is radically different from this one. While I see some similarities, I also have a difficult time accepting Maryland as being "southern."

I dont consider Maryland southern at all.

Even when I lived in Carolina it seemed a bit northerized (yes real word) to me.

 

[cheezgrits]

The real Southern heritage is NOT shown in the rebel flag.

The rebel flag never really represented anything other than racist and traitors.

Whaaa? Are you really this dimwitted? The flag represented the , at that time, sovereign government called the Confederacy. It represented the states that succeeded from the Union based on a desire to preserve state's rights.

For the last time, the civil war was NOT about slavery. It was about state's rights and the desire for the federal government to try and quell a rebellion, which it did not. Slavery was only brought into the equation later.

I know you are a county resident, you are entitled to a library card, they have lots of books there to read up on this stuff, then you can be like the rest of us and have an informed opinion, not just a rant.

 

[migtig]

Whaaa? Are you really this dimwitted?

Yes he is. Please ignore him. You'll wind up having a stroke otherwise.

 

[itsrequired]

I can’t believe people actually engage with this Cusic. Now here I go. Let me ask you Jimmy, with all this wisdom you impart, and being the good father that you are, how are your kids making out? Law abiding citizens I’m sure.

 

[JPCusick]

Response.

Whaaa? Are you really this dimwitted? The flag represented the , at that time, sovereign government called the Confederacy. It represented the states that succeeded from the Union based on a desire to preserve state's rights.

So long as we see that the rebels and their flag and their so called Confederacy did NOT represent the southern States of the USA.

That rebellion was a short time (4 years) of traitors and rebels fighting for the inhuman cause of racial based slavery.

The southern States of the USA spans hundreds of years and the real heritage of the south is NOT inclosed in that traitorous and racist rebel flag.

The entire south is insulted and degraded by claiming that immoral flag as its representative.

The flag of the USA is the true flag of the south.

 

[cheezgrits]

So long as we see that the rebels and their flag and their so called Confederacy did NOT represent the southern States of the USA.

That rebellion was a short time (4 years) of traitors and rebels fighting for the inhuman cause of racial based slavery.

The southern States of the USA spans hundreds of years and the real heritage of the south is NOT inclosed in that traitorous and racist rebel flag.

The entire south is insulted and degraded by claiming that immoral flag as its representative.

The flag of the USA is the true flag of the south.

Man, you ARE that dimwitted!! What states, pray tell, made up the Confederacy?? Here's a hint. SOUTHERN STATES!!!

One more time. The "rebels" were NOT, NOT, NOT fighting to preserve slavery. Only a small fraction of the southern population at that time owned slaves. The Confederates were fighting for states rights and less federal government oversight.

Please, please, please go educate yourself. Apparently you have interweb skills, use them for good, Batman.

 

[corollinout]

Didn't they hang a lot of blacks in NY because NY whites blamed Te civil war on blacks?

 

[mamatutu]

Didn't they hang a lot of blacks in NY because NY whites blamed Te civil war on blacks?

The New York City Draft Riots of 1863

 

[Larry Gude]

Didn't they hang a lot of blacks in NY because NY whites blamed Te civil war on blacks?

No. Only the South is racist.

Google '1968 riots'. Or 'LA riots'.

Or "Al Sharpton and Tawana Brawley"

Or 'Crown Heights'

Or...endless proof that by displaying the Stars and Bars, racial tension is exacerbated throughout the South. You'll note that since Skynrd ditched that symbol of hate last week that there have been no riots.

 

[JPCusick]

Reply.

Man, you ARE that dimwitted!! What states, pray tell, made up the Confederacy?? Here's a hint. SOUTHERN STATES!!!

It was really the southern leaders who betrayed their duty and betrayed their Country, and the so called "Confederacy" was a fraud and never a real entity or gov, and very many people in the south did not want to rebel, as the traitors did not really represent the south or the southern heritage.

The south help to create the USA and many of the southerners did not want to fight against their own American flag.

There were many people in the south who welcomed the American army as being the liberators - as they liberated the south from the American traitors.

One more time. The "rebels" were NOT, NOT, NOT fighting to preserve slavery. Only a small fraction of the southern population at that time owned slaves. The Confederates were fighting for states rights and less federal government oversight.

The rebel Constitution tells us specifically what the southern traitors were fighting for, and the very big issue was the institution of negro slavery as told in that rebel document, see it below:

The racist constitution, Article 4, Section 3, line 3.

"In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States."
Link = Constitution of the Confederate States = as that is what the rebels stood for and fought for.

Not only that but in fact if you read that traitor's constitution then you will see that the rebels intended to create a far stronger federal authority over the southern States, and they were intending to take away rights from the States and away from the citizens and to even deny basic human rights to other citizens.

So claiming the traitors fought for States' rights is here proven to be NOT true as that is another white lie.

Please, please, please go educate yourself. Apparently you have interweb skills, use them for good, Batman.

The fact is that I am the only one on this thread who is giving the history including direct quotes with source references and links too.

See link here = This thread page 7 post #61 - in detail.

It is your self who thinks your self as educated when your words are dishonestly white washed.

 

[ylexot]

I also noticed that they used the American Flag instead of the Rebel Flag and I had no problem with it, and neither did any of the other folks in the crowd.

Actually, they used both the Rebel flag and the American flag during the concert.

 

[Whyno]

Well.....

I can’t believe people actually engage with this Cusic. Now here I go. Let me ask you Jimmy, with all this wisdom you impart, and being the good father that you are, how are your kids making out? Law abiding citizens I’m sure.

Well Jimbo? You've quoted and answered around everything else. Where's your convoluded answer to this? How's your morality hangin' these days? I'm sure we're all waiting with baited breath to hear your well thought out, highly intelligent answers.

 

[Larry Gude]

There were many people in the south who welcomed the American army as being the liberators - as they liberated the south from the American traitors.

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That is exactly right. Which should make it a simple matter to recognize that there were many people in the North who was just as racist as any plantation owner in the South. And so to this day.

However, you seem to like your history black and white, so to speak and, as such, your interest only goes so far.

 

[cheezgrits]

It was really the southern leaders who betrayed their duty and betrayed their Country, and the so called "Confederacy" was a fraud and never a real entity or gov, and very many people in the south did not want to rebel, as the traitors did not really represent the south or the southern heritage.

The south help to create the USA and many of the southerners did not want to fight against their own American flag.

There were many people in the south who welcomed the American army as being the liberators - as they liberated the south from the American traitors.



The rebel Constitution tells us specifically what the southern traitors were fighting for, and the very big issue was the institution of negro slavery as told in that rebel document, see it below:

The racist constitution, Article 4, Section 3, line 3.

"In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States."
Link = Constitution of the Confederate States = as that is what the rebels stood for and fought for.

Not only that but in fact if you read that traitor's constitution then you will see that the rebels intended to create a far stronger federal authority over the southern States, and they were intending to take away rights from the States and away from the citizens and to even deny basic human rights to other citizens.

So claiming the traitors fought for States' rights is here proven to be NOT true as that is another white lie.



The fact is that I am the only one on this thread who is giving the history including direct quotes with source references and links too.

See link here = This thread page 7 post #61 - in detail.

It is your self who thinks your self as educated when your words are dishonestly white washed.

Again, you pick and choose what you post and read. The US Constitution (the good ol Northern USA that you speak of) had in our Constitution an article about slavery (remember 2/5ths). SO they were racist too by defending that document?

Second of all, I am educated, have paper to prove it, but that wouldn't matter to you. You go on thinking you're right, the adults will continue t talk over here.

 

[JPCusick]

Reply.

That is exactly right. Which should make it a simple matter to recognize that there were many people in the North who was just as racist as any plantation owner in the South. And so to this day.

However, you seem to like your history black and white, so to speak and, as such, your interest only goes so far.

Again, you pick and choose what you post and read. The US Constitution (the good ol Northern USA that you speak of) had in our Constitution an article about slavery (remember 2/5ths). SO they were racist too by defending that document?

I really do agree with both of you in this - as yes the north was full of racism too.

I just do not see how you two can try to claim that the northern racism somehow justifies the racist rebel flag.

I would even take your claims farther as I say the racism is still alive and active today in the north south east and west.

The northern Yankees were racist - yes, and it was the Republican Party under President Lincoln who changed the ending of the Civil War into an emancipation of the African slaves.

Cheers to Abe Lincoln, and cheers to the Republican Party for that time.

The southern USA does not need to be only associated with the African slavery, but that rebel flag is completely drenched in the American blood and in the slavery cause.

It is by misusing that ugly racist flag that degrades and insults the south, so that if they would get rid of that nasty symbol then the southern reputation would be greatly improved.

Why not use the flag of Texas and Arkansas and Tennessee? Link HERE.

But no - the whites only want to use the old war symbol and racist symbol embodied into the rebel flag, and as such that stirs up the anger and the hatred which it rightly deserves.