No transgender in the Military....

[hotbikermama40]

So, you're going to completely ignore that this was done at the behest of military commanders... you know, those military experts that you apparently know more than they do?

Yes

 

[Sapidus]

So, you're going to completely ignore that this was done at the behest of military commanders... you know, those military experts that you apparently know more than they do?

And Obama just dictated that they be allowed to serve for fun without consulting anyone?

 

[Sapidus]

Lets see... if you're a Transgender you have to take medication EVERYday.. at the very least Hormone therapy EVERY DAY.

You know.. anyone required to take medications (even as needed) are disqualified from militarybservice.

Dobyoubtjink Transgenders should get special treatment over and above diabetics, asthmatics, ADHD sufferers, allergy sufferers?

Would you consider that fair?

That is absolutely untrue. Can you prove that allergy sufferers are barred from
All forms of military service?

 

[hotbikermama40]

And Obama just dictated that they be allowed to serve for fun without consulting anyone?

Obama was told this was not a good idea and he went forward with it anyway.

 

[Sapidus]

Obama was told this was not a good idea and he went forward with it anyway.

Prove it. Then prove Trump was told otherwise. Otherwise it's just talking points

 

[Sapidus]

The American Medical Association released this stamtement.

“There is no medically valid reason to exclude transgender individuals from military service. Transgender individuals are serving their country with honor, and they should be allowed to continue doing so.

“AMA policy also supports public and private health insurance coverage for treatment of gender dysphoria as recommended by the patient's physician. According to the Rand study on the impact of transgender individuals in the military, the financial cost is a rounding error in the defense budget and should not be used as an excuse to deny patriotic Americans an opportunity to serve their country. We should be honoring their service - not trying to end it.”

 

[officeguy]

It's a ham handed attempt to continue to pander to his inbred supporters who can't fathom that not everyone is like them. That sometimes the biological process is not 100% accurate and that occasionally mistakes happen.

"Here's what we do know: If you ask experts at medical centers how often a child is born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in, the number comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births"

Why then is it so hard to imagine that occasional people are born with the wrong genitals and later have to determine for themselves through surgery what is right for them.


Does the government bar people who had a broken leg but wore a cast and had it fixed from military service?( Comparable to post op trans people)
Does the government bar diabetics? (Comparable to people on Hormone therapy)


It's stupid for a president who can barely get any legislation passed to make something like the this a priority when we need to focus on infrastructure, defense, health care and the budget.

It's yet one more in a string of attempts to nullify Obama's legacy on human rights and its pathetic.

You are confusing intersex genitalia and biological ambiguities about gender with the issue of 'transgender'. Its not the same thing.

 

[Sapidus]

So, you're going to completely ignore that this was done at the behest of military commanders... you know, those military experts that you apparently know more than they do?

SoMuch for that narrative

"The president’s directive, of course, took the House issue a step beyond paying for gender reassignment surgery and other medical treatment. House Republicans were never debating expelling all transgender troops from the military.

“This is like someone told the White House to light a candle on the table and the WH set the whole table on fire,” a senior House Republican aide said in an email. The source said that although GOP leaders asked the White House for help on the taxpayer matter specifically, they weren’t expecting — and got no heads up on — Trump’s far-reaching directive."

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/26/trump-transgender-military-ban-behind-the-scenes-240990

 

[Sapidus]

You are confusing intersex genitalia and biological ambiguities about gender with the issue of 'transgender'. Its not the same thing.

It's called an example moron.

If that many people are born with ambiguous genitals it doesn't take a genius to figure out that sometimes mistakes in biology are made that need correction i.e. people born with the wrong genitals or assigned the wrong sex at birth.

 

[acommondisaster]

It's a ham handed attempt to continue to pander to his inbred supporters who can't fathom that not everyone is like them. That sometimes the biological process is not 100% accurate and that occasionally mistakes happen.

"Here's what we do know: If you ask experts at medical centers how often a child is born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in, the number comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births"

Why then is it so hard to imagine that occasional people are born with the wrong genitals and later have to determine for themselves through surgery what is right for them.

Being born with noticeably atypical genitalia is completely different than the mental condition of feeling you should have been born as something else. John Hopkins stopped doing gender reassignment operations because they feel it's a mental health issue. Those born with "atypical genetalia" usually are in doctor's care at a much earlier age (usually 8 y/o to preteen).

As far as cost goes, although it's been a few years since I was in the Navy, but I couldn't get my very crooked teeth straightened by the Navy because it was considered cosmetic; so I am not unhappy that as a taxpayer, I won't be paying for their reassignment.

What should be done with those who are in? Give them honorable with conditions discharges and make sure that it's not a disability that we'll wind up paying for anyway.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

It is the point. Shall we roll back allowing blacks too? Or just back to keeping them in segregated units? Sorry, but you seem to have gotten your religion stuck in my military, and unlike peanut butter and chocolate, they don't go better together. Lets try and keep morality out of this and stick to the simple logistics of it.

Most black men don't stick their peckers in another man's anus, unless they are gay of course. Have to bring up the race argument, huh? Doesn't apply here cupcake. Apples and oranges. Not about religion or morality at all. I just don't think queers belong in the service, or in a foxhole next to me. If I want oral, I'll wait for my 3-day pass and pay for it in town with a woman like everyone else.

 

[officeguy]

It's called an example moron.

If that many people are born with ambiguous genitals it doesn't take a genius to figure out that sometimes mistakes in biology are made that need correction i.e. people born with the wrong genitals or assigned the wrong sex at birth.

If its an example, then it is a bad one. Intersex and transgender are two entirely separate issues.

 

[hotbikermama40]

Prove it. Then prove Trump was told otherwise. Otherwise it's just talking points

You're about as sharp as a bowl of jello, you know that?

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

You're about as sharp as a bowl of jello, you know that?

What flavor is he/she/it?

 

[black dog]

That is absolutely untrue. Can you prove that allergy sufferers are barred from
All forms of military service?

I remember being asked if I was allergic to wool and if I took and allergy pills or used a inhaler..

 

[hotbikermama40]

If I may ...



What flavor is he/she/it?

I'm just guessing, since it could be anything...but I'm gonna go with potted meat and pineapple

 

[Sapidus]

Being born with noticeably atypical genitalia is completely different than the mental condition of feeling you should have been born as something else. John Hopkins stopped doing gender reassignment operations because they feel it's a mental health issue. Those born with "atypical genetalia" usually are in doctor's care at a much earlier age (usually 8 y/o to preteen).

As far as cost goes, although it's been a few years since I was in the Navy, but I couldn't get my very crooked teeth straightened by the Navy because it was considered cosmetic; so I am not unhappy that as a taxpayer, I won't be paying for their reassignment.

What should be done with those who are in? Give them honorable with conditions discharges and make sure that it's not a disability that we'll wind up paying for anyway.

Please do some research. Much of what you said is true but to this day in many parts of the country someone born a hermaphrodite will have the doctor decide what they should be and make a surgical decision at birth. Odds are 50% of those people going to be assigned the wrong sex. Those people are still considered Trans and will need corrective surgery later in life.

 

[hotbikermama40]

Please do some research. Much of what you said is true but to this day in many parts of the country someone born a hermaphrodite will have the doctor decide what they should be and make a surgical decision at birth. Odds are 50% of those people going to be assigned the wrong sex. Those people are still considered Trans and will need corrective surgery later in life.

Which is it? Do some research or go with "odds are"? Considering that the number quoted earlier in this thread of 1 in 1500 to 2000 that are born intersex, otherwise reported as 1.7%, also include other syndromes not consistent with ambiguous genitalia or intersexism, your odds of 50% wanting a do-over boils down to .009% of those births.
To put that into a better perspective for you, anything less than .01% leaves it highly unlikely - not impossible, but highly unlikely that any of those 50%'ers will also choose to join the armed forces.
Sorry, but it's just not statistically significant.

 

[Sapidus]

Which is it? Do some research or go with "odds are"? Considering that the number quoted earlier in this thread of 1 in 1500 to 2000 that are born intersex, otherwise reported as 1.7%, also include other syndromes not consistent with ambiguous genitalia or intersexism, your odds of 50% wanting a do-over boils down to .009% of those births.
To put that into a better perspective for you, anything less than .01% leaves it highly unlikely - not impossible, but highly unlikely that any of those 50%'ers will also choose to join the armed forces.
Sorry, but it's just not statistically significant.

That's an interesting point.

If that's the case then your argument that this is about cost is a fail as Trans health care in the military accounts for .0004-.0017 percent of the annul medical budget.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/politics/transgender-military-spending/index.html

 

[hotbikermama40]

That's an interesting point.

If that's the case then your argument that this is about cost is a fail as Trans health care in the military accounts for .0004-.0017 percent of the annul medical budget.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/politics/transgender-military-spending/index.html

Or is it? Who was one of the most recent trans in the military? I'd argue that Chelsea Manning's healthcare costs, whether significant or not, were a bitter pill for any patriot to swallow after what he or she, whatever cost our country.