So can pneumonia.
One of the things that annoys me the most...
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kom526
They call me ... Sarcasmo
And vaping
kwillia
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Which can increase your odds of severe lung issues should you catch the COVID19... You've come full circle...
Gee, if only we had something...like, some way of getting that information....
PeoplesElbow
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I dont know anyone who died of th flu, must be bullshit.
Is it going to keep me from going into a store if I, or she, needs something. No, but I damn sure sanitize the shopping cart handle. When I get home, I try to shed an outer layer or change clothes completely and sanitize my hands before delivering her purchases.
I take care to sanitize my hands, but I don't shed or change clothing.
Dude, I'm going by the reported numbers being given to us by the CDC. Of course I'm not going to know anyone who is sick with cvirus - practically nobody in the US is.
Mommy Dearest suffers from COPD thanks to over 50+ years of smoking. I take no chances. If I were to take her to FL shopping, she'd have people running for the exit with her coughing.
kwillia
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That article isn't displaying any data for me, but I believe he is referring to the findings around the world that CAT scans for people of all age groups who have had the COVID19 hit their lungs and not just the throat are showing scar tissue in their lungs which affects their breathing even after the goop is gone.
Just for the record, I'm not accepting of it at all. I'm also outraged. But I'm largely outnumbered and have no choices but to stay away from public places - mostly because they're closed. I can still hike in the woods, but it's chilly, wet & overcast today so I'm not going to do that. I've ordered food OUT from my favorite "house made food" local restaurants and picked it up. Mostlly because I can afford to and I don't feel like cooking. In case there's a run on food, I still have it in the freezer and fridge.
AT least I did get my washer delivered today, which was a Godsend, because I had a basket of wet clothing from the other day hen my washer died on the spin cycle that I needed to re-wash. The delivery "message" said yesterday that they would deliver - BUT would leave it on my doorstep if I answered YES to 2 questions. #1) did I or anyone in my house have a fever. #2) were I or anyone else in my house have to be quarantined due to being exposed to anyone with the cvirus.
Eff yes, I answered NO to both questions, because we don't have a fever (and have not). But I don't know if I've been exposed personally to anyone -so I said yes to the 2nd question, too.
Mommy Dearest suffers from COPD thanks to over 50+ years of smoking. I take no chances. If I were to take her to FL shopping, she'd have people running for the exit with her coughing.
Which is why people are freaking out whenever people cough. There are other reason you cough.
That's what I've read happens to the lungs with the cvirus. Most people get a bad case of pneumonia.
Many years ago, I had several bad bouts when I started working indoors.
Ended up with pneumonia three out of four years running.
From just a simple flu... And it didn't shut down the nation.
I get that. I really do.
Yooper
Up. Identified. Lase. Fire. On the way.
I'm not an epidemiologist (nor do I play one on TV), but everything I've read about SARS-CoV-2 these days and things over the years about epidemics/pandemics (e.g., John Barry's "The Great Influenza," William McNeill's "Plagues and People," Richard Preston's "The Hot Zone," and on and on) COVID-19 is nothing to sneeze at. (Full disclosure: I've had a forever interest in this subject due to the goofy places I've worked in over the years and the TB I contracted in at least one of them (one of the reasons I'm one of the vulnerable folks).)
So while I'm really frustrated about the "lock-down" I think it's the smart thing for us to be doing. For the time being. Easter might be too soon, but again, maybe not. We'll see.
True, we're never going to get 100% viral suppression because 100% of the people will not agree to self-quarantine/cannot be self-quarantined due to jobs (etc.) so the reservoir swamp will never be drained. But no one really expected to be able to do that. Instead, the time-honored technique is to buy time by "flattening of the curve" (by isolating measures). It may sound trite now due to overuse, but it is working. I think we need to just grin and bear it at this point. For the time being. Mainly because this virus is not seasonal influenza (if only due to its still-debated R0; the "exponential" growth seems quite a bit higher than seasonal influenza).
One of the other things I'm reading as to why this virus is more than a bit concerning is that research seems to be showing that folks don't completely dump their viral load for up to eight days following remission of symptoms. That's longer (double, I believe) than the viral load shedding time for the influenza virus. This may tie back into the "exponential" transmission rate....
Yet another reason I'm concerned is the lung damage caused by the virus (mentioned in this thread several times). Essentially a really bad pneumonia,* the damage caused in folks who recover (of all ages) is potentially a healthcare crisis down the road (one that doesn't normally occur with influenza). So not only do we have concerns in the Now on both the economic and medical fronts, we potentially have the same concerns in the Future.
Yup, I'm frustrated. By the virus, by China. By the BS pork in the recovery bill. By a whole slew of things. Despite my frustration I'm willing to bite the bullet for the time being.
Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. As such, always willing to listen and learn.
Wishing all as best a day as possible given the circumstances.
Cheers!
* I've had pneumonia several times over the years. But I've been informed that the pneumonia I had doesn't hold a candle to the pneumonia COVID-19 causes (can/may cause, probably better to say). FWIW
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So while I'm really frustrated about the "lock-down" I think it's the smart thing for us to be doing. For the time being. Easter might be too soon, but again, maybe not. We'll see.
True, we're never going to get 100% viral suppression because 100% of the people will not agree to self-quarantine/cannot be self-quarantined due to jobs (etc.) so the reservoir swamp will never be drained. But no one really expected to be able to do that. Instead, the time-honored technique is to buy time by "flattening of the curve" (by isolating measures). It may sound trite now due to overuse, but it is working. I think we need to just grin and bear it at this point. For the time being. Mainly because this virus is not seasonal influenza (if only due to its still-debated R0; the "exponential" growth seems quite a bit higher than seasonal influenza).
One of the other things I'm reading as to why this virus is more than a bit concerning is that research seems to be showing that folks don't completely dump their viral load for up to eight days following remission of symptoms. That's longer (double, I believe) than the viral load shedding time for the influenza virus. This may tie back into the "exponential" transmission rate....
Yet another reason I'm concerned is the lung damage caused by the virus (mentioned in this thread several times). Essentially a really bad pneumonia,* the damage caused in folks who recover (of all ages) is potentially a healthcare crisis down the road (one that doesn't normally occur with influenza). So not only do we have concerns in the Now on both the economic and medical fronts, we potentially have the same concerns in the Future.
Yup, I'm frustrated. By the virus, by China. By the BS pork in the recovery bill. By a whole slew of things. Despite my frustration I'm willing to bite the bullet for the time being.
Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. As such, always willing to listen and learn.
Wishing all as best a day as possible given the circumstances.
Cheers!
* I've had pneumonia several times over the years. But I've been informed that the pneumonia I had doesn't hold a candle to the pneumonia COVID-19 causes (can/may cause, probably better to say). FWIW
--- End of line (MCP)
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PeoplesElbow
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In China antibotics are OTC, I remember the Chinese students bring back tons them when they went back to china for breaks.I'm sure the overuse of antibiotics for every little sniffle over the last generation can't be part of the issue of a "superbug" like this either.