Only 32.61% has a spine

[gumbo]

There's one major flaw in your logic. Prostitutes have been prostituting. Gay people haven't been married yet, at least on a wide scale. Therefore, how can anyone be overexposed? Maybe you meant politically overexposed.

I've had rainbows crammed down my neck. A happy word like gay being used to describe a sexual dysfunction. And Gays claiming rights and even claiming cartoons.
Homo day and Disney World ..Queer eye for the straight guy...
Yep I would say America has been over exposed to it.

 

[BuddyLee]

I've had rainbows crammed down my neck. A happy word like gay being used to describe a sexual dysfunction. And Gays claiming rights and even claiming cartoons.
Homo day and Disney World ..Queer eye for the straight guy...
Yep I would say America has been over exposed to it.

I agree that 'gayness' in America is getting to the point of 'whoa'.

I don't think that not giving them the right to marry will squash that 'whoa'ness.

If anything, it's going to get more and more popular to be 'gay'. It might even come to the point where it's the newage rebel thing to do. In fact, that's what I hear from a lot of the kids in high school now. It's 'cool' to be gay.

Perhaps marriage will put a damper on that. Those who truly want to get married, will get married and be happy. It may not be so cool anymore once the prize is won. Something else will then be sought for people are rarely satisfied. People want what they cannot have whether it be gay's wanting to marry or someone who doesn't approve of you doing it doggy style.

 

[Nickel]

'gayness' in America is getting to the point of 'whoa'.

Somebody put this on a t-shirt, please!!!

 

[BuddyLee]

Somebody put this on a t-shirt, please!!!

That right there...

...just signified my coming out of the closet.

 

[gumbo]

For the record I am not homophobic nor do I give a flying rat azz what they do in the bedroom.
What I do care about is when a group of people try to change the laws and the laws of nature to accommodate their own selfish needs.





We want to get married like normal people!
Well your not normal so live with it or become celibate, but keep your sexual preference to yourself.

 

[gumbo]

I agree that 'gayness' in America is getting to the point of 'whoa'.

I don't think that not giving them the right to marry will squash that 'whoa'ness.

If anything, it's going to get more and more popular to be 'gay'. It might even come to the point where it's the newage rebel thing to do. In fact, that's what I hear from a lot of the kids in high school now. It's 'cool' to be gay..

This is my point..The encouragement of un molded minds.
If it is not wrong ..why do we have laws against sodomy, wither it is consensual or not?

 

[BuddyLee]

This is my point..The encouragement of un molded minds.
If it is not wrong ..why do we have laws against sodomy, wither it is consensual or not?

This is where I agree. I do not condone brainwashing of any kind.

 

[Larry Gude]

I look at your...

If your exposed to something wrong long enough, your sense's become numb to what its right.
The prostitute feels something is wrong when she first starts committing the acts of prostitution, soon after, she starts justifying her action to herself and others.
If incest is common enough practice in an area. The people who live there will turn a blind eye to that too.

The fact that you don't see anything wrong with Homos getting married because of your over exposer to it doesn't make it right.

My opinion psychological damage has occurred when ever someone quits being able to distinguish the difference between right and wrong.

It's only natural for Beerwenchs subconscious to link male homosexuality to being a pedophile. A sexual dysfunction is a sexual dysfunction.

...eye poke avatar and can't help follow it to this negative, fatalistic attitude you have.

None of us have been 'over exposed' to gay marriage and therefore numb to it or think it just this mom and apple pie thing. There is no gay marriage to speak of.

As far as incest goes, I don't know a single person who doesn't recoil in horror at the mention of the word. I don't know of anyone, NAMBLA, anyone who comes out in support of incest or sex with children without being absolutely rejected as sick.

I don't know anyone supportive of child porn. I don't know anyone who has watched Forest Gump and said "Well, dad had a right to have sex with Jenny."

As for sexual dysfunction being dysfunction, to follow your logic, one would reasonably come to the conclusion that heterosexuals are the far larger problem as the vast majority of sexual crimes are committed by heteros. Isn't that right? Willing to address that?

Incest didn't start with the 1960's or 'gay' rights parades. It did start being something publicly decried instead of the whispers and blind eyes of the past.

It's fine for you to disapprove of what other adults do. That doesn't interest me. Your thinking does because if you believe two consenting adults, in their private life don't have a right to that privacy, how long do you think that you will?

Can you make a Constitutional argument opposed to gay marriage?

I used to think gay marriage was nothing short of silly. Through conversation and consideration of the issue, I've changed my mind. There is no valid Constitutional argument in opposition to the union of two adults based on their gender, at least none I've seen as yet.

That is the basis for this argument and it must be because your and my rights depend on the same document.

 

[Larry Gude]

Think about it...

BL...your chicken-egg argument IS worth considering....
IF marriage were allowed....would that naturally reduce spreading of pathogens and improve health.....
I'll give you bonus points on that view,...interesting.

...what do we say to both young men and women?

"When are you going to settle down and get married?"

 

[Larry Gude]

I ask you to read Mary Cheney as well...

You know....it truly appears that
a) going to a more conservative lifestyle in this country is: impossible
b) adapting to new a moral standard is fraught with ugly outcomes.
c) the struggle to determine the course will be in the hands of those with the most $$, most press coverage, and most PC.

...she's a lesbian and she's very conservative. At least that's the feel I get from her book.

This country has been wrestling with the excess's of the 60's and 70's since the day Ronald Reagan took office. To say conservatism has not been the dominant political ideology since then is simply wrong, in my opinion.

Adapting to a new moral standard? Well, the other side of the coin; What if marriage for gays IS the epitome of adapting to a new moral standard?

What if gays gone wild is no different, other than sexual preference, than hetero's gone wild? What if we all see the world a bit different once we marry and start to look at the long term, or needs, instead of our wants?

The idea of gays starting live more like I do, not the other way around, them wanting what I have, the responsibilities and rewards of long term commitment, well, that kinda makes me feel good about who I am and what I do, not threatened.

 

[vraiblonde]

Speaking of "gone wild":

I think they should outlaw those tacky Girls Gone Wild videos. I think those are more immoral than gay marriage.

Get rid of that pig Howard Stern while you're at it.

 

[vraiblonde]

AND let me give a shout-out to my girl, Tammy Bruce. A self-described lesbian feminist, she is significantly more moral than most people I know, hetero or otherwise.

 

[Pete]

I agree that 'gayness' in America is getting to the point of 'whoa'.

I don't think that not giving them the right to marry will squash that 'whoa'ness.

If anything, it's going to get more and more popular to be 'gay'. It might even come to the point where it's the newage rebel thing to do. In fact, that's what I hear from a lot of the kids in high school now. It's 'cool' to be gay.

Perhaps marriage will put a damper on that. Those who truly want to get married, will get married and be happy. It may not be so cool anymore once the prize is won. Something else will then be sought for people are rarely satisfied. People want what they cannot have whether it be gay's wanting to marry or someone who doesn't approve of you doing it doggy style.

Marriage schmarriage, follow the money. Bingo, zap, zowie. The ugly kernel, the bud, the gooey center. It isn't all about a marriage certificate, it isn't about the right to visit their partner in the hospital, it isn't about and of that oozy coozy feel good stuff, it is ALL about money. Insurance, social security benefits, family plans, tax breaks, cha ching, cha ching, cha ching.

 

[bdh802]

Speaking of "gone wild":

I think they should outlaw those tacky Girls Gone Wild videos. I think those are more immoral than gay marriage.

Get rid of that pig Howard Stern while you're at it.

Hessian and Gumbo. You do realize you are wasting your breath. For some reason, Vrai and Larry are very pro-gay. I know some really nice gay people but I an totally against the gay marraige thing. They can be happy together without ruining the whole concept of marraige. In today's world, most people are conditioned not to talk negatively about gays by the media. I certainly wouldn't harass the gay people I know and prefer not to talk about it with them but when I am around others (no, I don't sit in front of dis 'puter all day), the subject does occasionally come up in conversation and I don't know anyone who is really in favor of gay marraige. Maybe I hang around too may right wing religios nuts, huh? I will agree with Vrai on one issue. Get rid of Howard Stern!

 

[Larry Gude]

That's a great analysis...

Hessian and Gumbo. You do realize you are wasting your breath. For some reason, Vrai and Larry are very pro-gay.

...'for some reason.'

I repeat; The US Constitution is about equal protection under the law, even for minorities.

I am happy to hear a Constitutional rational that allows for saying 'No fags can get married."

Let's hear it.

I'll even help you start. Roger Tanney handled this simply saying Negroes were not people, therefore not citizens.

I'm serious, if you're against something, present an argument. I changed my mind due to what I consider deliberate consideration. Maybe I am wrong. Don't give me that cop out 'they're obviously, for some reason, not gonna listen." I've presented my opinion and why. Show me the same respect.

I ain't no Dixie Chick that demands to not be challenged. Let's hear it.

 

[Larry Gude]

Did you miss this part too?

Maybe I hang around too may right wing religios nuts, huh? I will agree with Vrai on one issue. Get rid of Howard Stern!

I do not think we can or should make a church accept or perform gay marriage. I think that would clearly be un-Constitutional.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

And when lil Bustem comes home and says: "Daddy, today when Mr. Benny kissed Mr. John, he put his hand down his pants. Why did he do that daddy?"

If any of you don't think that's a realistic scenario, you better pull the hood back over your head and go back to sleep. They made themselves flamboyant, not us.

 

[Larry Gude]

Come on...

And when lil Bustem comes home and says: "Daddy, today when Mr. Benny kissed Mr. John, he put his hand down his pants. Why did he do that daddy?"

If any of you don't think that's a realistic scenario, you better pull the hood back over your head and go back to sleep. They made themselves flamboyant, not us.

...two men groping each other in public is no more appropriate than two women or...a man and a woman. Public decency standards should apply to any and every one. They also should NOT apply in private. For anyone.

 

[vraiblonde]

For some reason, Vrai and Larry are very pro-gay.

I don't if I'm so much "pro-gay" as I am "anti" government discrimination of taxpaying citizens. I think you should be able to marry whoever the hell you want and the state should have no say-so over it.

Marriage is not only about the money, it's a social contract - we are a pair, a partnership, legally and morally committed to each other. We are not shacking up and out messing with other people. We are a family and we love each other and cannot easily walk away when the going gets tough.

What's so terrible about that?

 

[Mikeinsmd]

...two men groping each other in public is no more appropriate than two women or...a man and a woman. Public decency standards should apply to any and every one. They also should NOT apply in private. For anyone.

I totally agree!!!

BUT, as I said, gays relish in the flamboyant lifestyle and I firmly believe this would happen regularly because they want their "cause" out there. I also believe they would do everything they could to promote their lifestyle on impressionable minds.