Photographer Who Refused to Shoot Same-Sex Ceremony

[Larry Gude]

Who cares? If a photographer doesn't want to shoot a wedding (or anything else) for any reason, that should be his right. His Christianity is between him and God, and they can have a sit-down at the Pearly Gates if he's not doing it right.

We all know that the only reason the gay couple went to this photographer was because they knew he'd refuse, then they could bawl and claim they were persecuted. THEY are the aholes, not the photographer. A rational person would have gone, "Wow, what a jerk," and called another photographer. Note that you don't see many Jewish people going to a Muslim photographer and demanding that they photograph a Bar Mitzvah. That's because Christians are nice and Muslims aren't ####ing around. If this gay couple really wanted to make a statement, they'd go to WBC and demand to be married in their church. But we'll notice they don't do that because that might cause them some discomfort - they only go after the easy target.

So it's bull#### and I hate these little activist types who run around causing hate and discontent to further their ridiculous agenda. They want to live their lives, so go freaking live it and stop trying to cause trouble. No wonder people hate them.

If they knew they could get the photog/baker/candledick maker (<---gay wedding after all) to serve their political aims and react that way, if they knew they could 'dog whistle' them, then, who, really, is it on??? If the dog can't help it, he's a dog. If a human adult allows themselves to be manipulated like that, well...they bear some of the responsibility.

At some point, it should have dawned on them and they could have turned the tables and said "Why, yes, we do do gay weddings but, first, you have to join our church and repent. Nothing personal you see. It's just that we can't afford to have those Westerboro kooks setting up outside our store and condemning us. You, of course, understand? Now, we have the traditional man/woman figurines but, our son has some plastic army men. Would two of those be OK and who gets to be the general and who is the private? Or, we could use the players from his electric foot ball game and use a wide receiver and a tight end...little joke there...and, about the icing, would it presumptuous to assume fudge??"

Gay activist/agitator: "Never mind..."

 

[Larry Gude]

So it's bull#### and I hate these little activist types who run around causing hate and discontent to further their ridiculous agenda. They want to live their lives, so go freaking live it and stop trying to cause trouble. No wonder people hate them.

Jesus said to love thy neighbor...

 

[Larry Gude]

I agree. A gay couple walks in to a bakery and asks them to bake a cake for their wedding. Baker says I'm a Christian and I don't agree with your lifestyle / values, etc. and WE"D BE HAPPY to bake your cake but, thought you should know our views first. Gay couple, OK. Walk out and find another bakery who is dumb enough to make a BFD out of it. Simple, huh? Not if your the gay couple looking to push your agenda and make some headlines for your cause. Some may disagree, but it's the truth.

Edited for common sense


***Edit*** Not directed at you, Vince, but, what would make a lot more sense in terms of how to handle it.

 

[PsyOps]

Every one always tries to point out that Jesus hung out with the sinners. they seem to forget the part where he was with them to turn them away from future sin, not to encourage them to keep sinning.

Okay, but Jesus never closed the door. Remember his confrontation with the rich man? Jesus opened the door, even knowing the guys wealth was too much to pass up, Jesus still extended his hand. And this not strictly for the benefit of the rich man, but also for all those who were hearing what he said. The photographer might not have convinced the gay couple to change their ways, but through their Christian desire to extend a loving hand and serve no matter what, others might actually see that this is what being Christian is about… loving those that are sinners, and ‘healing’ the sick. Instead, the message that was sent is Christians are intolerant to those they disagree with and the door is only open to those they agree with, rather than having the door to salvation open for everyone…………… all the time. A teachable moment thrown right in the trash. So many Christian do this… Jesus chastised the leaders of the Sanhedrin of that day for doing the same thing:

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.” – Matthew 23:13

The Christian faith has revolved right back around to where things were 2000+ years ago.

 

[vraiblonde]

Jesus said to love thy neighbor...

That's between Christians and their maker. They don't need me as a go-between.

 

[Larry Gude]

That's between Christians and their maker. They don't need me as a go-between.

Yes they do.

 

[Lurk]

Dayum Larry, did all that come from you?

Remember now. This is the same guy who, in a tertiary stage of BDS, refused to forgive or accept the last imperfect child of God and brother of Christ who lived in the white house for eight years.

 

[Larry Gude]

Remember now. This is the same guy who, in a tertiary stage of BDS, refused to forgive or accept the last imperfect child of God and brother of Christ who lived in the white house for eight years.

In the immortal words of my T ball coach; 'it's just sittin' there, son. All you gotta do is hit it...:

To wit;

I would suggest that anyone who can 'forgive' and accept, rationalize and excuse Med D, DHS, TSA, Pat Act, bailing out the UAW and TARP plus two wars resulting in the ascendency of Islam and the diminution of Christianity, damn well ought to be able to deal with a little 'ol queer wedding every now and again. Especially given the relative impact of the the two to ones own life.

"It's going, going, going.....GONE!!!! That ball is oughta here!!!"

 

[Lurk]

In the immortal words of my T ball coach; 'it's just sittin' there, son. All you gotta do is hit it...:

To wit;

I would suggest that anyone who can 'forgive' and accept, rationalize and excuse Med D, DHS, TSA, Pat Act, bailing out the UAW and TARP plus two wars resulting in the ascendency of Islam and the diminution of Christianity, damn well ought to be able to deal with a little 'ol queer wedding every now and again. Especially given the relative impact of the the two to ones own life.

"It's going, going, going.....GONE!!!! That ball is oughta here!!!"

So loving thy neighbor only qualifies for those you approve of, right?

 

[Larry Gude]

So loving thy neighbor only qualifies for those you approve of, right?

Is there no reasoning with you? I do not hate Dubbya. I feel deeply betrayed by him.

 

[terbear1225]

Love thy neighbor/ forgiveness does not mean you stand there and wait for the sob who hit you before to do it again. It means you forgive the SoB but do everything in your power to keep it from happening again.

 

[vraiblonde]

Yes they do.

Well, I'm not going to be.

 

[PrchJrkr]

As a Christian, how are your morals compromised when you compromise them yourself by turning away people; by doing the exact opposite Jesus instructed them to do: love thy neighbor, do good to those who hate you…

“It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” - Mark 2:17

"But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?" - Matthew 5:44-47

Certainly we have liberty in this country. But I am frustrated with people who claim to be Christians, and exercise their freedom of religion by acting in misguided and irresponsible ways. Turning away from their ‘harmful lifestyles’ doesn’t mean refuse to extend love to them and serve them as Jesus would have. People like the baker and photographer blew an opportunity to evangelize. If they really wanted to take that practice to the extreme, they should refuse everyone who is not Christian. God will toss non-Christians into hell just as quickly as gay people. Matthew was considered the lowest of the low in their society. Yet, despite all the criticism and condemnation, Jesus took Matthew in as one of His disciples. He never passed up an opportunity to preach, He never turned anyone away.

Sure, we can exercise our freedoms, but that doesn’t require you throw away your core responsibilities towards each other. If freedom is a God-given right, and you claim to be a person of God, then exercise those freedoms with the responsibilities God instilled in you.

Sorry, but that won't fly with me. If "they" are so hellbent on marrying, I doubt anything I or anyone else could say or do would make a bit of difference.

If they wish to continue their nasty little degenerative practices by pretending to be married, I doubt they are able to be saved. I say let them go ahead, but don't expect me to compromise my principles by offering my services supporting their perverse ideas of what is normal.

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

Turning away any who aren't Christian? Go off the deep end much?

Turn away any who flaunt their sins and expect to be accommodated by someone with morals and beliefs, ####ing aye!

 

[PsyOps]

Sorry, but that won't fly with me. If "they" are so hellbent on marrying, I doubt anything I or anyone else could say or do would make a bit of difference.

If they wish to continue their nasty little degenerative practices by pretending to be married, I doubt they are able to be saved. I say let them go ahead, but don't expect me to compromise my principles by offering my services supporting their perverse ideas of what is normal.

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

Turning away any who aren't Christian? Go off the deep end much?

Turn away any who flaunt their sins and expect to be accommodated by someone with morals and beliefs, ####ing aye!

That’s not what it’s about. It’s about opening that door no matter what you THINK they may do. I mean what’s the point in evangelizing when you realize 99% of the people you talk to won’t take any of it to heart. It’s not our job to decide who we think gets saved and who doesn’t. I happen to think there’s always that chance you might say just the right thing that will stick in their heart the rest of their life. Maybe not. But our job is not to decide who gets in, our job is to be the messenger.

But, if you owned a business, which sinners would you decide to turn away and which to serve? What about someone that comes in flaunting their jewelry and wealth? What about Obama? You know he's a rabid liar. Would you refuse him? You knew your neighbor was having an adulterous affair. Would you refuse your neighbor?

Last I remember reading the bible says “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”. So how do you decide which are worthy of your service?

 

[MMDad]

If this photographer found out that at straight couple was shacking up, would he decline their business also? Isn't that a sin? Why is that sin okay to ignore?

 

[vraiblonde]

If this photographer found out that at straight couple was shacking up, would he decline their business also? Isn't that a sin? Why is that sin okay to ignore?

See what you just did? You made up a scenario that didn't happen, then pretended it did happen, then made up the photographer's reaction, and disparaged him based on the situation and reaction that you made up.

What a master debater you are.

I say this all the time and I swear it's true: people make up #### to get pissed about.

 

[Lurk]

If this photographer found out that at straight couple was shacking up, would he decline their business also? Isn't that a sin? Why is that sin okay to ignore?

Did the made-up couple who were shacking up ask the baker to make a big cake and side cakes to celebrate that arrangement? (This is really important to know before we can answer)

 

[vraiblonde]

Did the made-up couple who were shacking up ask the baker to make a big cake and side cakes to celebrate that arrangement? (This is really important to know before we can answer)

Or was it just cake pops and Polaroids? There's a difference.

 

[Lurk]

Or was it just cake pops and Polaroids? There's a difference.

Good point. The total economic impact would have some relevance here.

 

[MMDad]

See what you just did? You made up a scenario that didn't happen, then pretended it did happen, then made up the photographer's reaction, and disparaged him based on the situation and reaction that you made up.

What a master debater you are.

I say this all the time and I swear it's true: people make up #### to get pissed about.

No, I'm just asking what sins are okay to ignore and which ones aren't. You know, so that if the thumpers are right I know which ones will damn me to hell and which ones are okay. And honestly, should a devout Christian refuse to do business with all sinners? Or just homosexuals?