Plane Crash into Potomac

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
:lol: Flying out of DCA mid Feb, should I be worried??
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glhs837

Power with Control
:lol: Flying out of DCA mid Feb, should I be worried??

I'll let you know, I'm flying out to the west coast for a week today.

I default to DCA if I can, usually because direct flights are easier to get to the places I go. Boston, Jacksonville, Seattle.
 

TPD

the poor dad
totally off posts, but WHY cant I get a direct flight from Ballmer to Pensacola... seems like it would be a no-brainer with military folks... I dont want to connect to sofaKING Ohio, Oklahoma, whereever...
Does ur priux not know the way to lib cap arlington?
 

WingsOfGold

Well-Known Member
They keep talking about a highly qualed crew. 1000 hrs for a 1p and 500 for a 2p really isn't shiit. Get back tome when those numbers are doubled at least. Seems they weren't looking for traffic as they should have been.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
Probably not BECAUSE it was underneath and in a blind spot. One cannot see in front and low in close proximity.
Oh, I'm aware, but all we are hearing about is the helicopter. What deconfliction warnings did ATC provide them? Just heard on the news that the aircraft was pulling up at impact. The more I hear the more of a Charley Foxtrot it sounds like.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Female Pilot Rebecca Lobach’s Entire Social Media Scrubbed before Army Released Her Name – So What Are They Hiding?



Kristinn Taylor at The Gateway Pundit reported:

After withholding at the request of the family the name of the female pilot killed in the mid-air collision Wednesday night between an Army Black Hawk helicopter and a PSA/American Airlines passenger plane on final approach to Reagan National Airport near Washington, D.C., the Army issued a statement Saturday afternoon from her family identifying the pilot as 28-year-old Capt. Rebecca Lobach from Durham, N.C.

The other two soldiers killed in the crash previously identified by the Army are Staff Sgt. Ryan Austin O’Hara, 28, of Lilburn, Georgia, and Chief Warrant Officer 2 Andrew Loyd Eaves, 39, of Great Mills, Maryland.

Lobach was part of a three-man crew flying a training mission for “continuity of government” down the Potomac River when the collision occurred, killing all three crew members on the Black Hawk based at nearby Fort Belvoir, Virginia, and all 60 passengers and four crew members on the flight out of Wichita, Kansas.

Rebecca worked in the Biden White House.




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LightRoasted

If I may ...
For your consideration ...



A comment from a Blackhawk pilot that's flown the area and his take from another site.

"Couple of thoughts here, having flown the same route the H60 was on more then 80 times in my CG career (H65 driver). There are discrete helicopter routes throughout the DCA aerodrome (Link to the chart below) and helicopter pilots need a SFAR add on to operate within 30 nm of DCA. Here are a few of my thoughts & observations...

(1) The altitude restrictions on the helicopter routes are absolute & critical. The closer you are to DCA, be more precise you have to be. Between the Memorial Bridge & Wilson Bridge, you MUST be BELOW 200' (I tried to stay between 125'-150')

(2) The routing is also critical, when in close to DCA, you want be straddling the east bank of the Potomac. I typically had 'one foot wet and one foot dry.'

(3) Flying the published route is your best defense for traffic deconfliction with commercial traffic. When I few those routes, As long as I was on the route, I did not worry too much about commercial traffic. I always worried about the other helicopters... but if you slowed down a little, it could buy you some reaction time. (I will admit the first time I flew route 4 & had a UAL 737 over my head I was having kittens & sweating bullets)

(4) NVGs were likely aboard the H60, if they were used is in question. To what extent that was a factor remains to be determined.

(5) It is clear ATC was concerned about traffic confliction. Their challenge to the H60, "Do you have the RJ insight?" was indecisive & relied too much on the 'visual sepation' doctrine. 'Visual Separation' is detailed in the SFRA (Special Flight Restriction Area) for pilots operating in the DCA aerodrome. It allows pilot to deviate their course to deconflict with traffic.

I would suggest this to be more Accurate, Bold & Concise... "PAT25, turn to 090 & remain below 200' then fly route 1 as published" Once acknowledged by PAT 25... "Traffic at your 3 O'clock 350', RJ on final to RWY33, report them insight".

This was just tragic & having flown this route so many times and makes me ask what makes me any different? DCA is just 'Dense Air Spaces" I could imagine. You have massive amounts commercial and military aircraft, Restricted air space galore, distractions & a lots of radio towers & cranes that all over."

"I've spent a lot of hours under NVGs years ago, we usually pulled them up in the city because they became almost useless with too much stimulus. I'm not sure about the newest version of NVGs though if it's better or not? The federal agency I work for now does a lot of flying in that area and you are spot on, it's 200' or below in that area, and it's drilled into their heads to do that. All of my near misses flying rotor were with other rotor wing, news, LE, etc., or were student pilots while over flying airfields that had aviation schools. We never had a near miss with fixed wing because we were required to stay below and out of their way."

https://aeronav.faa.gov/visual/09-05-2024/PDFs/Balt-Wash_Heli.pdf
 
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