Planned Parenthood

[Radiant1]

i call you a hypocrite because you use religion as the basis for your comments, but then throw ou tthe parts that you dont agree with when it suits you. (i.e. birth contro, premarital sex, not divorcing etc.)

I dont care about your past, what i do care about is your thinking you have a right to tell anybody else how to live their life, especially when it is based on your religion, one that you freely ignore when it suits you.
that is hypocritical my dear.

Uh Tommy, my views on abortion were the same before my conversion to Catholicsm as they are now. I never brought up religion. You did.

If you want to call me a hypocrite for attempting to protect the murder of innocents then so be it. :shrug:

No, it doesn't.

A fertilized egg that has not implanted has no chance of becoming a baby.

Correction, it's already a baby, it just has no chance to survive in the scenario you describe.

Women pass unimplanted fertilized eggs all the time without any sort of medical intervention. You are not pregnant until it implants. Fertilized egg = potential pregnancy. No pregnancy, no baby.

You're right, women passed fertilized eggs all the time without knowing or medical intervention but that doesn't mean they weren't pregnant. Even a pregnancy test will come back positive before implantation. It's not that hard to understand Vegmom, really.

 

[vegmom]

Even a pregnancy test will come back positive before implantation. It's not that hard to understand Vegmom, really.

How so, if your body has not began to secrete the hormones indicitive of pregnancy?

 

[ItalianScallion]

Abortion is murder whether you have an abortion at 3 weeks pregnant or three months pregnant.
Once you have a fertilized egg in you, it will be a baby eventually(considering you do not have a miscarriage). just because the baby inside of you cannot live on it's own outside the womb at the time that you abort the baby, doesnt mean it wasn't going to be able to in a few months, and it is still a person.
Around the 5th week of pregnancy is when that little guy has a heartbeat, and if you stop that heartbeat and take the baby out, it is murder. plain and simple.
Just because you do not consider the pregnancy a baby yet, doesnt mean it will not be considered a baby within a few months.
It is an excuse when people say,
"i was only pregnant for a month, it wasnt really a baby yet."
It's what people say when they don't want to feel bad for killing thier child. When you are pregnant it is a baby, and after 9 months, it is a person, and if you stop the pregnancy, you are taking a life that would have been.
IF YOU ARE PREGNANT AT ANY STAGE IT WILL EVENTUALLY BE A BABY. GETTING RID OF THAT BABY IS TAKING A LIFE.

You are impressive my teen aged friend! Change your screen name because you apparently are NOT that. Great post young person. I'm very impressed with your pro life stand.

You are disappointing me!

No, it doesn't.
A fertilized egg that has not implanted has no chance of becoming a baby. Women pass unimplanted fertilized eggs all the time without any sort of medical intervention. You are not pregnant until it implants.

As long as it fails to implant naturally it's not an abortion. If an outside source causes it not to implant (RU486 or the like) then it is an abortion. Conception is the beginning of life. Whether or not it is viable outside of the womb is irrelevant. Many old people are not viable on their own but they should not be aborted.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

You're right, women passed fertilized eggs all the time without knowing or medical intervention but that doesn't mean they weren't pregnant. Even a pregnancy test will come back positive before implantation. It's not that hard to understand Vegmom, really.

Prove it or you're making that up. There is NO hormonal change until that egg is planted. The entire way pregnancy tests work is by detecting hormones present only after pregnancy occurs.

How so, if your body has not began to secrete the hormones indicitive of pregnancy?

Great minds

 

[tommyjones]

Uh Tommy, my views on abortion were the same before my conversion to Catholicsm as they are now. I never brought up religion. You did.

If you want to call me a hypocrite for attempting to protect the murder of innocents then so be it. :shrug:



Correction, it's already a baby, it just has no chance to survive in the scenario you describe.



You're right, women passed fertilized eggs all the time without knowing or medical intervention but that doesn't mean they weren't pregnant. Even a pregnancy test will come back positive before implantation. It's not that hard to understand Vegmom, really.

who brought up religion isn't really an issue. It is obvious from your position that you are heavily influenced by religion with respect to when life starts, but you make the moral judgment everyday to take contrceptives, have sex out of wedlock, to be divorced, or to break any of the other moral 'rules' you so choose. All the while telling others that making a moral judgment in their own lives is wrong.

thats hypocritical right there.....

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

who brought up religion isn't really an issue. It is obvious from your position that you are heavily influenced by religion with respect to when life starts, but you make the moral judgment everyday to take contrceptives, have sex out of wedlock, to be divorced, or to break any of the other moral 'rules' you so choose. All the while telling others that making a moral judgment in their own lives is wrong.

thats hypocritical right there.....

She definitely converted to one of the best religions for her.

 

[This_person]

This is a bad thing??

"According to our test, your baby has no usable brain function. Will never be able to form a coherent though, walk, talk or communicate in any means. If he's born we can keep him alive by artificial means, and can live out a complete life."

What would you do?

If it were my kid? No question, carry to term, raise the child to the best of my abilities, and pray daily for a cure to whatever the problem is.

I don't put varying values on other people's lives because of what a doctor predicts, or what other may think their quality of life may be - they're all priceless.

 

[This_person]

A viable fetus would be delivered, not aborted (medically or spontaneously aka miscarried). Viable means it could live on its own outside the womb- although that time gets pushed back by medical science every year. Who knows- we may have humans incubated inside some type of artificial pod one day.

My point was that, once a woman is pregnant she has a viable fetus (more commonly known as a baby). Unless she miscarries, that baby is viable. Whether it requires science or the mother's womb to keep it alive, it's still viable. I know of absolutely no perfectly healthy two day olds that can survive without help (feeding, warmth, protection, etc), and I see no difference between the implied contract between the parent and the two day old, or two months pregnant old.

 

[itsbob]

Prove it or you're making that up. There is NO hormonal change until that egg is planted. The entire way pregnancy tests work is by detecting hormones present only after pregnancy or testicular cancer occurs.

:fixed:

Enquiring minds MAY want to know!

 

[Fugazi]

Okay i worded it wrong, once you pee on the stick and it says "you're pregnant." and you confirmed it ,It's a baby. and if you get rid of that pregnancy you get rid of a life.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

If it were my kid? No question, carry to term, raise the child to the best of my abilities, and pray daily for a cure to whatever the problem is.

I don't put varying values on other people's lives because of what a doctor predicts, or what other may think their quality of life may be - they're all priceless.

I find this a hard question to address.

I was initially (before he posted it) on bob's side...in that it isn't really a bad thing to keep people out of this world that will only be a burden on it. I can't say I would do the same for my kid though, selfish as that may be. I think if I was told by a doctor that my soon-to-be kid was PROBABLY going to have a mental illness, I would have to say to have it anyway because there is a chance it COULD be fine. Even if it wasn't, its still your kid and you are responsible for its upbringing...right?

Definitely a tough issue. I'm totally for the choice of abortion/birth, but I don't think under MANY circumstances could I have a kid of my own aborted.

 

[vegmom]

As long as it fails to implant naturally it's not an abortion. If an outside source causes it not to implant (RU486 or the like) then it is an abortion. Conception is the beginning of life. Whether or not it is viable outside of the womb is irrelevant. Many old people are not viable on their own but they should not be aborted.

I think you missed the post where I said I was against medically induced abortion.

ABORTION does not occur without a PREGNANCY.

A woman is not pregnant until the fertilized egg has implanted and begun to develop into an actual human being.

I really get irked when people try to discourage women from using effective contraceptives by spreading misinformation like this.

 

[This_person]

The intelectual and emotional substance of your argument is overwhelming.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

:fixed:

Enquiring minds MAY want to know!

Did NOT know that.

Learn something new every day.

 

[Fugazi]

You are impressive my teen aged friend! Change your screen name because you apparently are NOT that. Great post young person. I'm very impressed with your pro life stand.

You are disappointing me!

As long as it fails to implant naturally it's not an abortion. If an outside source causes it not to implant (RU486 or the like) then it is an abortion. Conception is the beginning of life. Whether or not it is viable outside of the womb is irrelevant. Many old people are not viable on their own but they should not be aborted.

Sorry Father Scallion

 

[Fugazi]

The intelectual and emotional substance of your argument is overwhelming.

Why thanks! This world is already overpopulated.... Abortion should be mandatory in a lot of cases.....

 

[puggymom]

I hate to agree with the pro-life crowd here but I do need to clear up some stuff.
Yes you can get a (+) pregnancy test before the egg has implanted yet still miscarry. This is called a 'chemical pregnancy' and they are VERY common. Most people who not even know they were pregnant. The only ones who do are usually woman actively TTC (trying to conceive) so they find themselves obsessively taking tests esp early ones just in case.
This actually happened to a friend of mine last month. She got a (+) at 3 weeks 4 days then went on to miscarry at just about 4 weeks. Had she not been TTC she would not even known she was pregnant. She would have just assumed it was her period.
A Chemical Pregnancy is a Miscarriage Early in the Pregnancy

 

[This_person]

I find this a hard question to address.

I was initially (before he posted it) on bob's side...in that it isn't really a bad thing to keep people out of this world that will only be a burden on it. I can't say I would do the same for my kid though, selfish as that may be. I think if I was told by a doctor that my soon-to-be kid was PROBABLY going to have a mental illness, I would have to say to have it anyway because there is a chance it COULD be fine. Even if it wasn't, its still your kid and you are responsible for its upbringing...right?

Definitely a tough issue. I'm totally for the choice of abortion/birth, but I don't think under MANY circumstances could I have a kid of my own aborted.

I do not see anything right in aborting a child. Not a thing. Having said that, I would honestly find it hard to advise my daughter she must fully carry a child that was a product of a rape. However, knowing that rape accounts for something along the lines of 0.3-0.6% of abortions, I would keep my stance against abortion, with an allowance for health of the mother and/or rape.

As far as bringing a child into the world who would even "probably" have problems - who doesn't have problems? A life is a life.

 

[This_person]

Why thanks! This world is already overpopulated.... Abortion should be mandatory in a lot of cases.....

You know, they say to start by fixing yourself.......

 

[vegmom]

I hate to agree with the pro-life crowd here but I do need to clear up some stuff.
Yes you can get a (+) pregnancy test before the egg has implanted yet still miscarry. This is called a 'chemical pregnancy' and they are VERY common. Most people who not even know they were pregnant. The only ones who do are usually woman actively TTC (trying to conceive) so they find themselves obsessively taking tests esp early ones just in case.
This actually happened to a friend of mine last month. She got a (+) at 3 weeks 4 days then went on to miscarry at just about 4 weeks. Had she not been TTC she would not even known she was pregnant. She would have just assumed it was her period.
A Chemical Pregnancy is a Miscarriage Early in the Pregnancy

But the egg would have implanted long before then (in her time frame).

I know when I had my daughter I was waaaaay past that point but the docs still took 2 blood tests a week apart to be sure it was "going to take".

BTW- my youngun' loves pugs (although all she can have right now is a Webkinz pug).