Planned Parenthood

Go G-Men

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A middle aged, affluent housewife who's not addicted to anything can be a crappy mother. Her husband can be a crappy father. The drug addicted prostitute can be a great mother, or a crappy mother.

Parenting skills are not the question. The right of killing other people is the question.

You didn't answer the question in this post, either :lol:

At what age is the murder murder instead of a "choice"?

Medically speaking: During the first Trimester....
 

Go G-Men

New Member
I feel no need to explain, but you asked if I had been impacted. I have.

No, I'm male, it wasn't in me. I wasn't given that choice any more than my unborn child was.

At what age does this stop being okay (you haven't answered that yet)?

Maybe you should have abstained or "Stained" if you get the drift and then you would not have personally affected....
 

Radiant1

Soul Probe
that's what you believe, nobody's forcing you or your loved ones to have an abortion OR even use birth control

The law, as it is now, nobody is FORCED to have an abortion.

The way most people in here want it, is everyone is FORCED not to have one. Nobody will have a choice.

Her body, her choice.

Do you have a living will Bob? If so, why? Surely if you were unable to make the decision of life or death for yourself you'd be OK with someone else making that choice for you, right?
 

Go G-Men

New Member
A woman does not have to live with the child they chose to create after bearing it. There are many adoption agencies begging for those babies. There are many family members who may or may not help. The only choice being denied now is the baby's choice to live.

So you say there are many adoption agencies begging for these babies... If they are perfect little white babies.... What about the rest... Whose banging down the doors to help them??? Certainly not you!!
 

tommyjones

New Member
Do you have a living will Bob? If so, why? Surely if you were unable to make the decision of life or death for yourself you'd be OK with someone else making that choice for you, right?

i dont know what your point is, but living wills generally speel out that its OK for them to let you die if you are effed.

So i am guessing if bob has one, he would be OK with others makign the choice
 

Go G-Men

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Except for "the morning after" pill, no I'm not. If people would save it for marriage, this wouldn't be as big of a problem as it is today.
When you got pregnant, did you think that it was a fish or frog inside of you and, if you needed to, you could abort her until the 14th week?
Did you ever think it wasn't a human life? If you know it is human from conception, how can you say it is OK to kill it ever?

So the feeling of hoplessness is a reason for murdering an innocent life?

You contradict yourself a lot here it seems. You're ok with abortion and her right to choose but it makes you cringe??????

Well why don't we just take this to the next level... Any sex that is NOT for conceptional purposes is illegal and punishable by prison. Yes the good old puritan days...
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
So why do you have a problem giving the right to make this decison to the woman or couple that have to bear the burden of raising this child? You would want to have it, good for you.. but what about the woman that is just as educated as you, just as moral as you that decides no.. That is no life for anyone, and doesn't feel it morally right to bring a person into the world like that?
I would give them the same choice - in cases of rape or the life of the mother. In all other cases, the potential of bringing life into the world was a known factor when the decision was made to have sex. One must live with the consequences of their actions. There are virtually no babies out there in the US that won't get adopted (older kids, sadly, yes, but not babies) - there are waiting lists. It's just plain murder to make any other decision than having the child. What then happens to that life is also regulated - we can't kill unwanted children after the cord is cut, we shouldn't be able to kill them before hand, either. It's just that simple. Just because a baby is tiny does not mean it's not a baby yet.
What gives ANYONE the right to force them to have that child?
Again, unless you're talking rape (which is the basis for my caveat that I'd accept abortion as an option for a rape victim), no one forced anyone to have sex, thus risking having a child.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
that's what you believe, nobody's forcing you or your loved ones to have an abortion OR even use birth control

The law, as it is now, nobody is FORCED to have an abortion.

The way most people in here want it, is everyone is FORCED not to have one. Nobody will have a choice.
No one has a choice to murder their two day old, either. :shrug: What's the difference?
Her body, her choice.
That's right, she had the choice to have sex. Just like getting HIV through it, or genital warts, or orgasmic pleasure and intimacy - these are all potential results of the sex, and they all must be accepted as a potential result. Killing the child they took the risk to create is murder, and that's not a reasonable response.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
No. Bottom line it is none of your business... If you want to help just go pray with all the other fanatics for those who choose abortion so that they may change their ways...
Murder is my business whether it's a baby, or a child, or a teen, or a young adult, or adult, or senior citizen.
Here is a stat for ya... about 100% of those against abortion do nothing to help those that seek an abortion other than calling them murderers and trying to scare them into your belief system.
Absolutely not true. Many people against abortion adopt, run adoption agencies, teach abstinence and/or safe sex as alternatives, pay taxes to support those of lower income get by until they can get by on their own, etc. What you say here is patently false.
I remember when all a good Christian was supposed to do was pray for those sinners and now that has seemed to change to judging other sinners.... Guess God wasn't doing enough so you all decided to take matters into your own hands.
My judgement, as you word it, against abortion is based entirely on secular thoughts. Three times at least above you labeled my thoughts on it as religiously based. Please provide any quote from me that justifies that nonsense.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Maybe you should have abstained or "Stained" if you get the drift and then you would not have personally affected....
You're right in your own twisted way. However, I wasn't taught abstinence, I was taught "safe sex". See how well that worked out? :lol:
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Well why don't we just take this to the next level... Any sex that is NOT for conceptional purposes is illegal and punishable by prison. Yes the good old puritan days...
Why? Because that's an idiotic suggestion. Sex is certainly up to the conscenting adults. The suggestion is that they be held accountable for their actions instead of allowing (and taxpayer funding) the murder of their child.
 

Go G-Men

New Member
Murder is my business whether it's a baby, or a child, or a teen, or a young adult, or adult, or senior citizen.Absolutely not true.
So you are also against the death penalty? Also you are against removing a brain dead accident victim from a ventilator...etc...?
Many people against abortion adopt, run adoption agencies, teach abstinence and/or safe sex as alternatives, pay taxes to support those of lower income get by until they can get by on their own, etc.
You know I keep hearing that but see very little proof. I have been to "Pro-life demonstrations (obviously not in support of said demonstrators) and have yet to hear one demonstrator tell a young lady that if they don't go through with the abortion that they will fully support the child for the rest of its life. Not once.."
What you say here is patently false.My judgement, as you word it, against abortion is based entirely on secular thoughts. Three times at least above you labeled my thoughts on it as religiously based. Please provide any quote from me that justifies that nonsense.
I was labeling the whole group but in your case that is not true. In your case you believe because it happened to you and you did not like it than your opinion should be forced on all others. I say let them make there own decisions or you raise these children for them.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
Many people against abortion ... pay taxes to support those of lower income get by until they can get by on their own, etc.
Wow, anti abortionists pay taxes!! Aren't they just the friggin Modern Day Mother Theresa..

They also hunt down and kill Doctors, Nurses, and even clerks that are trying to get by and provide for themselves by WORKING. providing a LEGAL service.

Not impressed, but please, feel free to try again.
 

Go G-Men

New Member
Why? Because that's an idiotic suggestion. Sex is certainly up to the conscenting adults. The suggestion is that they be held accountable for their actions instead of allowing (and taxpayer funding) the murder of their child.

I believe that our conscience holds us all accountable. You want them to be accountable to you. This is a free country last I checked and the law as it is now allows for abortions.

My suggestion was was made to put a point on all the post saying nobody has the right to abort a fetus.. If we truly want to stop abortions than we have to be willing to go all out....

Do you honestly believe that abortions will stop just because the Federal government changes the law. Not at all... Abortion will always occur and there isn't a damn thing we can do to stop it... Other than outlawing sex of course... :sarcasm:
 
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itsbob

I bowl overhand
.Again, unless you're talking rape (which is the basis for my caveat that I'd accept abortion as an option for a rape victim), no one forced anyone to have sex, thus risking having a child.

Like I said, you'd want to have the right to have the child and raise the child, but you have NO problem taking the right away from someone else. There is no law on the books that would require you to have an abortion no matter what the test results are, you have that choice.

I don't even know what I would do in that situation, not sure I could even think of aborting a child no matter what the circumstances, but I don't think myself so high and mighty to suggest EVERYONE should be forced to do the same.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
I was labeling the whole group but in your case that is not true. In your case you believe because it happened to you and you did not like it than your opinion should be forced on all others. I say let them make there own decisions or you raise these children for them.
Again, my reasoning is not based upon what happened to me. I merely was responding to someone who suggested I had no dog in the fight because I was male.

My opinions come from sound, sober reasoning.

However, your options are interesting. A - Let them screw up, or B - Take on the consequences of their actions for them. Realize, you're still arguing that people not be held responsible for their own actions. Not a good argument.
 

Go G-Men

New Member
Like I said, you'd want to have the right to have the child and raise the child, but you have NO problem taking the right away from someone else. There is no law on the books that would require you to have an abortion no matter what the test results are, you have that choice.

I don't even know what I would do in that situation, not sure I could even think of aborting a child no matter what the circumstances, but I don't think myself so high and mighty to suggest EVERYONE should be forced to do the same.

:yeahthat:
 
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