Planned Parenthood

This_person

This_person

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Go G-Men said:
So lets put them together and get all 129,000 children to these couples... Oh wait... There maybe black children and hispanic children on that list and of course most of the 1 to 2 million couples are looking for the "perfect little white baby" who is under the age of 2..
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Children who are older are, unfortunately, less likely to be adopted. Adoptive parents usually want a baby.

Twice you've referred to the perfect little white baby. Are you suggesting whites are perfect, or that people will only adopt white babies, or medically perfect babies, or intellectually perfect babies, or what? It seems like a very race-baiting thing to say, so I'm curious why you would sink to that.
 
Go G-Men

Go G-Men

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This_person said:
To a point, yes. How I view this is an issue only when it comes to things like elections, feedback to politicians on where money is spent, suggestions and support of judges, etc. It is a government "of the people..." So, how we each view this is of equal importance, or lack thereof. However, the argument that murders would still happen whether they're legal or not has no bearing on whether they're legal or not, whether that murder is abortion, or stabbing, or shooting, or......
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Through elections is the way to go... But until such time as the law changes than it should be okay for the government to support planned parenthood and other such services.
 
This_person

This_person

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Go G-Men said:
And you were saying something earlier about this no being a religious issue... Yet the link is to a Christian website... hmmmm
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That was for you. Of the first 12 or so sites that came up in my 18 seconds of searching, one was a Christian one. Since you implied this was a Christian issue (to be against murder), and that the people against abortion don't do anything to help those potential mothers who might be considering killing their baby, I thought I would provide you with some insight as to how wrong that concept was.
 
This_person

This_person

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Go G-Men said:
Through elections is the way to go... But until such time as the law changes than it should be okay for the government to support planned parenthood and other such services.
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Okay meaning legal? Of course. Okay meaning "shouldn't be changed"? Hell no, it's not okay.
 
Go G-Men

Go G-Men

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This_person said:
Children who are older are, unfortunately, less likely to be adopted. Adoptive parents usually want a baby.

Twice you've referred to the perfect little white baby. Are you suggesting whites are perfect, or that people will only adopt white babies, or medically perfect babies, or intellectually perfect babies, or what? It seems like a very race-baiting thing to say, so I'm curious why you would sink to that.
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That is exactly what I am saying. Most couples who want to adopt (this doesn't count the wackos in hollywood who go outside this country to adopt) want to adopt perfect, healthy, white babies rather than just adopting a baby because the baby needs a good home..
 
This_person

This_person

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Go G-Men said:
That is exactly what I am saying. Most couples who want to adopt (this doesn't count the wackos in hollywood who go outside this country to adopt) want to adopt perfect, healthy, white babies rather than just adopting a baby because the baby needs a good home..
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More people want Ford F-150s than any other vehicle - that doesn't mean other vehicles aren't sold. What's your point?
 
Go G-Men

Go G-Men

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This_person said:
More people want Ford F-150s than any other vehicle - that doesn't mean other vehicles aren't sold. What's your point?
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Point is that these 1-2 million couples are not as honorable as you and those like you make it out to sound. Some less desirable babies are adopted but not most and based on the surplus of couples that should not be the case...
 
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This_person

This_person

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Go G-Men said:
Meaning legal... A persons personal opinion should have no bearing on the issue. Mine or yours...
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Only in changing the laws. I don't advocate attacking the mothers, their doctors, etc. People are definately allowed - and should be encouraged - to speak their minds - to those mothers and doctors and to the people against them. However, I advocate no actions against any of them, other than attempting to change the laws.
 
This_person

This_person

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Go G-Men said:
Point is that these 1-2 million couples are not as honorable as you those like you make it out to sound. Some less desirable babies are adopted but not most and based on the surplus of couples that should not be the case...
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How many babies - under six months old - are not being adopted? I tried to go to the links, but they did not work for me. I don't believe there's a surplus of any babies - babies mind you - of any race, color, or creed. If I'm wrong, I'll rescind that part of the argument - the part that it's likely a child will be adopted virtually immediately after birth.
 
Go G-Men

Go G-Men

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This_person said:
Only in changing the laws. I don't advocate attacking the mothers, their doctors, etc. People are definately allowed - and should be encouraged - to speak their minds - to those mothers and doctors and to the people against them. However, I advocate no actions against any of them, other than attempting to change the laws.
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Well there we go... Something we agree on..
 
puggymom

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This_person said:
I don't personally understand the logic of this argument - stop having babies until there are none left to adopt?
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No, pretty much stop using the 'there are so many people out there looking to adopt a baby' agrument that a lot of pro-lifers use. The point is there are lots of kids out there that are looking to be adopted so forcing childbirth in order to fill this 'void' in lack of kids to be adopted.
 
Go G-Men

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This_person said:
How many babies - under six months old - are not being adopted? I tried to go to the links, but they did not work for me. I don't believe there's a surplus of any babies - babies mind you - of any race, color, or creed. If I'm wrong, I'll rescind that part of the argument - the part that it's likely a child will be adopted virtually immediately after birth.
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16 percent of adopted children under 18 in the United States are black. Seven percent of adopted children are Asian, and two percent are American Indian and Alaska native.

That is a total of 25 percent... That means to me that the other 75% looks awfully white....

Still looking for better stats but have yet to come up with anything substantial.
 
itsbob

itsbob

I bowl overhand
Radiant1 said:
Since you are afraid to answer the question I'll assume it's safe to say you do have a living will.

A living will is your directive (your choice) in what to do (life or death) in the event you were you were incapacitated in some way, correct? If you deem it OK for a woman to choose life or death for her temporarily incapacitated baby then why wouldn't you leave the choice to someone else of what to do should you become incapacitated?

In essence it's not just "her body", it's her body and someone elses. Yeah that may royally suck for women but it's the way nature is. :shrug:
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Here you go speaking of choice, as long as it's something you agree with, but you don't want another woman to be allowed to have a choice.

And I don't think a bunch of cells that is not in and of itself a viable being a baby.
 
Radiant1

Radiant1

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itsbob said:
Here you go speaking of choice, as long as it's something you agree with, but you don't want another woman to be allowed to have a choice.
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You're the one with the discrepency, not I. According to you it's OK to kill a baby if a someone chooses but it's not OK to kill you if someone chooses.

itsbob said:
And I don't think a bunch of cells that is not in and of itself a viable being a baby.
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Would you cease to be human if you were on a heart and/or lung machine? Afterall, you wouldn't be viable. :duh:
 
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