Planned Parenthood

This_person

Well-Known Member
at what cost?
I don't know, what would you expect a parent to do to save the life of their child? I would do anything, up to and including dying for their life.
If you didn't want a child to the point where you considered killing it is that the kind of experience you'd want a child to be born into?
Yes, emphatically and whole-heartedly yes. Especially if you re-word the question "would you want that child alive, or killed because it's daddy or momma didn't want it?" Because, there are more options than that parent being the person who raises the child, and having a child greatly changes your outlook on every aspect of every thing. Until that child is born, that parent has no idea how they'll react to it.
barring the fact that it's not your body or your business ....
If that's true, no muder is the business of anyone else, and that law should be repealed. It makes the same amount of sense to say as what you said.
rule by example .... go out and grab a kid from an agency. They need you.
I do live my life as an example. I have to live with the consequences (be they good or bad) of every decision I make, every action I take. I don't feel I can kill someone else because they're a bother to me, and that's what 95+% of abortions are about (according to Planned Parenthood).
 

puggymom

Active Member
:lol: Been there, experienced that (I just wasn't the one peeing on the stick).The patient meaning the mother, or the patient meaning the baby being killed? Late term or early, it's the same life.

The patient being the family affected. I actually believe that the woman should be morally (NOT legally however) obligated to inform the 'father'. But in the case of a married couple who already have three kids they are struggling to care for. It would be the entire family affected by a 4th child. If something happened to the mom it would be the entirely family who loses a mother.
Ultimately it is the woman's decison but there is more to accidental pregnanies than just some 20 year old and her BF having an oopsie.
 

sockgirl77

Well-Known Member
I just do not see why some people think that when you are pregnant, you are not pregnant with a baby. You are not pregnant with a tumor or something you can push aside and say, no im not ready yet. If you miscarry that's one thing but when you are pergnant IT IS A BABY! because in 9 months it is a baby. terminating a pregnancy is terminating a baby.
Pregnancy=Baby.

I've had 3 miscarriages and have given birth to 3 babies. It is my God-given right to do what I want with my body when I want to. STFU and go protest outside an abortion clinic. :yay:
 
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This_person

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When its viable on its own (don't try to strawman of lifesupport). I also understand that this can vary based on a number of factors, but its generally accepted that any tadpole before the second-trimester wont live on its own.
But, given the opportunity of the person who chose to put that "tadpole" there, it would make it to the second trimester, and third, and fourth grade, and.....

Why is it different? Would any grandparent who can't think for themselves so much any more be under that same concept?
 

tommyjones

New Member
As it won't, since I'm not a Supreme Court judge. :yay:

If the debate is pointless, why are you even in here then?
I'm not sayng the debate is pointless, i am saying that you have no dog in the fight, and shouldn't get any say what so ever. maybe when you grow up, and get married and deal with the issues of parenthood.....
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
good to see we're already setting the law to low standards, and abortions will go on unabated =)

Just more unsafe for the patients as they won't have actual doctors to aid them.
Yep, murders happen every day. We don't change that law.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
And what about in cases of rape? Or if a young teen gets knocked up?
As I said before, I'm not so hard nosed I can't see rape for what it is. It takes away the whole "personal responsibility" portion of my stance, because she was not responsible for being raped. While I do believe a life is a life, I can't for the life of me imagine myself telling my daughter she'd have to carry to full term a rape baby. And, since those account for significantly less than 1% of abortions, I would lower my morals to allow that as an option for a rape victim. Call me a hypocrit for having two stances on the same argument (as Itallion Scallion already implied), but I do have those two stances for the same argument.
 

Xaquin44

New Member
yes, because that is bringing a child into the world with medical help. It's not taking out a life before an innocent baby even has a chance.

yes but a large quantity of the embryos die upon implantation.

so while it may bring a child into the world (it is not 100%) it definatly kills embryos (100% of the time).
 

tommyjones

New Member
Forget the % of abortions that are the result of the rape. If you believe abortion is wrong, then its wrong. The fetus is no different during a rape pregnancy than it is during a non-rape one.
The "innocent" is exactly the same in both cases.

:exactly:

its funny that abortion is wrong, unless it is response to something that negatively impacts the pro-lifer's life.

then, in their particular situation, its OK....
 
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