Planned Parenthood

[puggymom]

Certainly some will. Some wanting out of parenthood now kill their kids (or attempt to) every week. Should THAT be legal? Should we remove THAT law, since people violate it anyway?Certainly, if there is reason to suspect a murder, it should be investigated. The idea that EVERY miscarriage would be like a murder investigation, though, is pretty disingenuous. Certainly every case of SIDS is not immedidately investigated as a murder, nor is every car accident, geriatric death, etc., etc.

Of course not because that goes to what I have said before. In our current system once a child is born it has the same legal rights as every other person.
And I said potential murder investigation. For example if a woman knowingly drinks while pregnant and miscarries would she be held liable for murder?
As for SIDS I do believe an autospy is performed in each case.

 

[tommyjones]

If it's rape, I say go ahead with the abortion and charge the rapist, if he's caught, with murder. :shrug:

If it's consensual, I morally disagree with it.

thats just retarded on so many different levels.
if its wrong, then its wrong, not something to be practiced only to further criminalize a violent act.

 

[tommyjones]

What the hell, everybody drink one.

Okay, once again, here it is. I'm inferior to the almighty tommyjones because I am being responsible and waiting for the right person/time instead of ####ing every girl I see.

not every, any, you haven't touched any.....


thereofre, abortion DOES NOT AFFECT YOU.

 

[puggymom]

I'm pretty sure once the fertilized egg implants in the uterean lining (sp?) .... but even then the child can miscarry.

Pretty much 20 weeks is the cut off. Before 20 weeks=miscarriage; after 20 weeks = stillbirth

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

I got news for you, if you outlaw abortion, MORE underage girls will be having babies, not less.

And, again, I say more people might also think before they act.

Yes, we've decided it's a woman's right to choose. That's the lazy way out of an ethical argument. The laws in place so eff the argument. If that's how you feel, why did you join in this in the first place.

Oh, that's right, to throw out pointless cheap shots.

 

[Xaquin44]

exactly, the child can miscarry. meaning the pregnancy is a child and if you abort it, you're getting rid of a child.

yeah .... so?

 

[sockgirl77]

If it's rape, I say go ahead with the abortion and charge the rapist, if he's caught, with murder. :shrug:

If it's consensual, I morally disagree with it.

I wasn't asking you.

 

[This_person]

You and most everyone else .... most people are not lining up for an extra baby that isn't theirs. Adoption, (while wonderful in and of itself) is not the answer to abortion.

No, adoption is not the answer to unwanted pregnancy - I agree with that. It's a choice, which is what people keep telling me they think they should have (pro-"choice"). It's an option. However, killing a baby should not be an option.

no .... this is a childs life we're talking about right? If abortions are suddenly outlawed a miscarriage should be investigated on grounds of murder right? I mean if it going to be called murder (as it already is by some (yourself included) it should be investigated right?

I would think that it would be "investigated" as much as any natural death would be.

Dishonest how?

In that natural deaths are rarely investigated as potential murders, and I think you know that. Not every child's death, or adult's death for that matter, is thought of from the get-go as a murder, so miscarriages would certainly be thought of the same way.

My guess would be almost the same number as have them now only much more discreetly and probably not as healthily.

No, that was a question to clarify your question - you asked if every woman would be investiaged as a potential murderer, and my question was every woman who miscarries, or has an abortion if they were deemed illegal.[/quote]It is murder. Viable embryos are implanted and generally (I can't really remember) 33% die. Even if one lives and one dies it is one life dying. Or is it some different life that just doesn't count?[/QUOTE]It's a natural miscarriage, not an intentionally snuffing out of life for the ease of the parents. It's the difference between dying of old age, and having your children hold a pillow over your head killing you so they don't have to keep changing your Depends.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

not every, any, you haven't touched any.....


thereofre, abortion DOES NOT AFFECT YOU.

And my personal life, which you keep throwing up, does not affect you in any way, so go #### off. :shrug:

I'm sorry that I haven't found the right girl for me in this ####hole town. I guess I should move faster, huh?

Thanks again for the advice perfect one.

 

[teenageddirtbag]

All i am saying is that you agree that a pregnancy is a child at any point during gestation. And that you feel fine about "getting rid of that child."

 

[tommyjones]

And, again, I say more people might also think before they act.

Yes, we've decided it's a woman's right to choose. That's the lazy way out of an ethical argument. The laws in place so eff the argument. If that's how you feel, why did you join in this in the first place.

Oh, that's right, to throw out pointless cheap shots.

no pointless cheap shots, mearly pointing out that your opinion isn't worth much as you have never had to deal with ANY of the issues.

the laws have been decided, they are good laws, and they won't be changing any time soon.

your religious feelings don't and shouldn't affect what women do with their bodies

 

[sockgirl77]

All i am saying is that you agree that a pregnancy is a child at any point during gestation. And that you feel fine about "getting rid of that child."

Even doctors do not agree with that.

 

[This_person]

Personally:
From my experience being pregnant I considered my babies alive from getting that first, well second, no definatly the third digital test, (sorry a little trying to conceive humor) positive test.

Been there, experienced that (I just wasn't the one peeing on the stick).

Legally:
I do not believe this should be defined AT ALL by our government. I believe this should be a medical decision between doctor and patient. And I honestly believe a healthy woman would be hard pressed to find a doctor that is willing to do a late term abortion on a healthy fetus.

The patient meaning the mother, or the patient meaning the baby being killed? Late term or early, it's the same life.

 

[puggymom]

All i am saying is that you agree that a pregnancy is a child at any point during gestation. And that you feel fine about "getting rid of that child."

My whole point is that I cannot pretend to understand what it is like to be in someone else's shoes so I cannot make a decision for them NOR do I feel our government should. This is a private, medical decision.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

no pointless cheap shots, mearly pointing out that your opinion isn't worth much as you have never had to deal with ANY of the issues.

the laws have been decided, they are good laws, and they won't be changing any time soon.

your religious feelings don't and shouldn't affect what women do with their bodies

As it won't, since I'm not a Supreme Court judge.

If the debate is pointless, why are you even in here then?

 

[Xaquin44]

It's a natural miscarriage, not an intentionally snuffing out of life for the ease of the parents. It's the difference between dying of old age, and having your children hold a pillow over your head killing you so they don't have to keep changing your Depends.

what's natural about in vitro?

It's about as unnatural as is possible.

I see your game now. You don't care about the actual life (seeing as how an in vitro embryo is the same as an abortion embryo) you're just a 'punish the slut' kind of guy huh? That'll teach her to get pregnant huh?

Otherwise it would be the life itself you argue for.

 

[sockgirl77]

Dear Pro-lifers,
Why don't you offer to adopt all of the unwanted babies? Why don't you adopt all welfare kids that were unwanted? Until then, OUR tax dollars are paying for them.
,
Pro-choicer

 

[teenageddirtbag]

I just do not see why some people think that when you are pregnant, you are not pregnant with a baby. You are not pregnant with a tumor or something you can push aside and say, no im not ready yet. If you miscarry that's one thing but when you are pergnant IT IS A BABY! because in 9 months it is a baby. terminating a pregnancy is terminating a baby.
Pregnancy=Baby.

 

[Xaquin44]

Late term or early, it's the same life.

unless it's in vitro .... then it's ok.

 

[Xaquin44]

I just do not see why some people think that when you are pregnant, you are not pregnant with a baby. You are not pregnant with a tumor or something you can push aside and say, no im not ready yet. If you miscarry that's one thing but when you are pergnant IT IS A BABY! because in 9 months it is a baby. terminating a pregnancy is terminating a baby.
Pregnancy=Baby.

ok ....