Radiant1
Soul Probe
I don't know it to be senationalist. Bob says he knows differently, I'm asking him to prove it. Call it what you will.
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I don't know it to be senationalist. Bob says he knows differently, I'm asking him to prove it. Call it what you will.
tommyjones
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what do you call it when someone takes quotes out of context attributing a new meaning fo rthe sake of furhtering their argument?
radiant said:
i call it you being an idiot who is too lazy to read for herself.
Radiant1
Soul Probe
"Some are like that" doesn't imply that they are. What's retarded is you attempting to come to Bob's rescue with giving nothing of substance to help him out. I shouldn't have to read it for myself, Bob made the claim, let him put up or shutup.
tommyjones
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"Some are like that" doesn't imply that they are. What's retarded is you attempting to come to Bob's rescue with giving nothing of substance to help him out. I shouldn't have to read it for myself, Bob made the claim, let him put up or shutup.
you wouldn't accept what bob has to say anyway, a smarter person would go read for themself.
Radiant1
Soul Probe
you wouldn't accept what bob has to say anyway, a smarter person would go read for themself.
Look, if Bob says that the pro-lifers are quoting out of context then he must know differently by having read all of Sanger's stuff, correct? He accused Libby and myself of being ignorant and parroting out of context quotes, so he can be the one to enlighten us by printing out Sanger's quotes in their entirety. Until he does we have no real reason to believe that any of those quotes are out of context anyway. If he's right he will put up or shutup.
So far, Bob has shutup. Do you know why? I suspect it's because he's talking out of his azz, but he's more than welcome to prove me wrong on that suspicion.
So, since I have your attention Tommy, do you think Margaret Sanger was a racist and a proponent of eugenics?
tommyjones
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i have not read enough for myself to make that determination. What i have seen from your side is obviously slanted though.
and bob probably hasn't responded becasue he is either busy or he has realized you are a supertard.
This_person
Well-Known Member
You mean, like an atheist pulling quotes out of context of the Bible to make people believe it teaches something other than what it actually teaches?
Radiant1
Soul Probe
Fair enough. I'm not sure how "obvious" the slant is though.
and bob probably hasn't responded becasue he is either busy or he has realized you are a supertard.
Maybe, maybe not. :shrug:
tommyjones
New Member
all you had to do was read.
if the quotes were full and not so choppy it would be easier for you to argue that point. the fact that most only had 2 or 3 words directly attribute to her should tell you all you need to know.
Besides, planned parenthood is a good thing, birth control is a good thing, abortion is debateable, but if you read you will see that planned parenthood isn't all about abortions, otherwise it would be called planned abortion wouldn't it?
I went ahead and did some extra reading of Sanger's articles, and found nothing to disprove that she was a racist of the worst kind. Even some who defend the outcome of PP agree that MS is indefensible.
As R1 said many posts ago, a few quotes taken out of context might be reason to accuse pro-lifers of hysteria, but not all of her own writings, and those in her Birth Control Journal (hmm..I'm pretty sure that was the title.)
I do not hold Sanger personally accountable for the behavior of today's Planned Parenthood, however as a society we should look at PP with a much more critical eye in light of the reported events.
It is a fact that PP has gained for itself a reputation for altruism, and it is going to be a difficult task to reveal the truth of their practices, from racism to failure to report crimes.
As R1 said many posts ago, a few quotes taken out of context might be reason to accuse pro-lifers of hysteria, but not all of her own writings, and those in her Birth Control Journal (hmm..I'm pretty sure that was the title.)
I do not hold Sanger personally accountable for the behavior of today's Planned Parenthood, however as a society we should look at PP with a much more critical eye in light of the reported events.
It is a fact that PP has gained for itself a reputation for altruism, and it is going to be a difficult task to reveal the truth of their practices, from racism to failure to report crimes.
Radiant1
Soul Probe
The url I posted isn't the only place the quotes come from, and in fact, isn't the source that Bob was arguing against, but anyway...
Some birth control is good and some isn't. Some are considered abortificients the way they work i.e. IUD. I'm not trying to get into a debate about that, just sayin'.
You're right, PP isn't all about abortions; however, they do perform them frequently and get my tax dollars to do so, so I have an issue with that. I also question an organization that was founded by a woman, dead or not, who was a proponent of racism and eugenics.
Tommy, are we done here yet because I have some other things I really need to get to today.
tommyjones
New Member
i wonder how they did that. It couldn't have been by helping people in need could it?
tommyjones
New Member
The url I posted isn't the only place the quotes come from, and in fact, isn't the source that Bob was arguing against, but anyway...
Some birth control is good and some isn't. Some are considered abortificients the way they work i.e. IUD. I'm not trying to get into a debate about that, just sayin'.
You're right, PP isn't all about abortions; however, they do perform them frequently and get my tax dollars to do so, so I have an issue with that. I also question an organization that was founded by a woman, dead or not, who was a proponent of racism and eugenics.
Tommy, are we done here yet because I have some other things I really need to get to today.
nobody is making you read my posts,
and you really need to try independant thinking, birthcontrol is not abortion, and abortion is not birth control, they are two very different things.
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
Well-Known Member
I've agreed with everything you have said, pretty much, but abortion CAN definitely be considered a "last resort" birth control. :shrug: It is prevention of birth, thus, controlling the occurance. Just saying.
Carry on (like I said, most other things I agreed with you on lol)
itsbob
I bowl overhand
I can give you obvious...
On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people
The author says these quotes are about "blacks, immigrants, and indigents..
Yet within the quotes there is NO mention of any of the above.
"Human weeds.. reckless breeders.. spawning (snip) human beings who never should have been born.. "
No mention of race, religion or immigration status in ANY of the quotes from Sanger, but the person spreading the hate has injected.. "referring to immigrants and poor people" Interesting how in the beginning it's about "Blacks, immigrants and indigents", but in the end it's only about immigrants and poor people.
Now if Sanger DID mention race, religion or immigration status don't you think they would have included it in their quote?? If so, whey didn't they? Trying to save the space of an additional 1, 2 or 3 words?
There is a racist present, I don't think it was Sanger.
Xaquin44
New Member
I think he was saying that it isn't just an over the counter thing you go pick up once a month.
well it isn't supposed to be anyway hehe
tommyjones
New Member
if you go ask your doctor for birthcontrol you dont get an abortion, and if you go ask for an abortion you dont get birthcontrol.
there is a difference.
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
Well-Known Member
I wonder what the doctor would say if you asked for birthcontrol AFTER being preggo though?
Just a thought
I knew what you meant, I was just knitpicking.
(is it knit or nit pick?)
Xaquin44
New Member
I wonder what the doctor would say if you asked for birthcontrol AFTER being preggo though?
Just a thought
I knew what you meant, I was just knitpicking.
nit hehe