Planned Parenthood

[teenageddirtbag]

Abortion is murder mmmkay.

 

[libby]

One poster (I think Wenchy) has stated that abortion is a no-brainer in the first trimester, worthy of more consideration in the 2nd, and abhorrent in the 3rd. Well what if we break that down into weeks, or even days of gestation instead of trimesters?
If pregnancy generally lasts 270 days +/-, is it okay to abort until day 200, but on 201 it becomes a crime?
If memory serves, the dissenting opinions in Roe v. Wade recognized that viability would be earlier and earlier as technology advanced, and indeed, that is the case. There are images of heart surgeries being done on babies +/- 22 weeks along. There is one picture in which the baby grabs the surgeons finger. So again, we have a baby in one hospital room being saved through medical advancements, and down the hall another baby of the same gestational age is having it's brain punctured and sucked out.
Either all life is valuable, or some lives can be discarded for whatever reason is perceived as legitimate by the more powerful, or the majority. Hitler and Hussein did nothing different than that which you advocate.

 

[Wenchy]

One poster (I think Wenchy) has stated that abortion is a no-brainer in the first trimester, worthy of more consideration in the 2nd, and abhorrent in the 3rd. Well what if we break that down into weeks, or even days of gestation instead of trimesters?
If pregnancy generally lasts 270 days +/-, is it okay to abort until day 200, but on 201 it becomes a crime?
If memory serves, the dissenting opinions in Roe v. Wade recognized that viability would be earlier and earlier as technology advanced, and indeed, that is the case. There are images of heart surgeries being done on babies +/- 22 weeks along. There is one picture in which the baby grabs the surgeons finger. So again, we have a baby in one hospital room being saved through medical advancements, and down the hall another baby of the same gestational age is having it's brain punctured and sucked out.
Either all life is valuable, or some lives can be discarded for whatever reason is perceived as legitimate by the more powerful, or the majority. Hitler and Hussein did nothing different than that which you advocate.

Libby? If a child is not wanted it shouldn't be born and "evacuated" ASAP. Preferably in the first 8 weeks. Even at that age you will see their stubby little arms and legs thrashing as the vacuum sucks and the curette dices them apart.

If the child is "viable" then I do have a problem with it, and hope people like you will be there to adopt the unwanted child, or you will pay with your tax dollars while this child is being raised.

Do you want to support all of these extra "unwanted" people being raised by parents who NEVER wanted them...and support the parents as well?

I don't, but I respect your opinion.

Are you a foster parent? Have you adopted any of these children? Do you educate so abortion is never even an option?

 

[PsyOps]

One poster (I think Wenchy) has stated that abortion is a no-brainer in the first trimester, worthy of more consideration in the 2nd, and abhorrent in the 3rd. Well what if we break that down into weeks, or even days of gestation instead of trimesters?
If pregnancy generally lasts 270 days +/-, is it okay to abort until day 200, but on 201 it becomes a crime?
If memory serves, the dissenting opinions in Roe v. Wade recognized that viability would be earlier and earlier as technology advanced, and indeed, that is the case. There are images of heart surgeries being done on babies +/- 22 weeks along. There is one picture in which the baby grabs the surgeons finger. So again, we have a baby in one hospital room being saved through medical advancements, and down the hall another baby of the same gestational age is having it's brain punctured and sucked out.
Either all life is valuable, or some lives can be discarded for whatever reason is perceived as legitimate by the more powerful, or the majority. Hitler and Hussein did nothing different than that which you advocate.

For the most extreme believers in abortion it's not a matter of value, it's a matter of viability. Value has no meaning in the termination of life if it's not viable. But ask any of them when a fetus becomes viable and I bet they can't come up with a timeframe.

If you want to make a comparison of Hitler and S. Hussein to abortion you have to be willing to admit that abortion is not central to one person. This makes it even more scary in a couple of different ways:

1) It destroys life at its most innocent level.

2) You can easily remove the Hitlers and Husseins of the world; how do you remove an entire movement of people that support such killing as late-term and partial-birth abortions, especially when it is virtually condoned in our legal system?

 

[PsyOps]

Libby? If a child is not wanted it shouldn't be born and "evacuated" ASAP. Preferably in the first 8 weeks. Even at that age you will see their stubby little arms and legs thrashing as the vacuum sucks and the curette dices them apart.

Do you even realize what you are saying? A child not wanted? Well, I don’t want my 2 year old anymore. Phhhtttt… gone. Can’t you see how insane that sounds? For so many of us this is an incomprehensible thought.

If the child is "viable" then I do have a problem with it, and hope people like you will be there to adopt the unwanted child, or you will pay with your tax dollars while this child is being raised.

Are you willing to define for me when a child is viable? Please tell me when the exact moment is?

Do you want to support all of these extra "unwanted" people being raised by parents who NEVER wanted them...and support the parents as well?

Do you realize a sea turtle egg has more rights to life than a human “fetus”? When a sea turtle lays its eggs they become federally protected and anyone that so much as disturbs them has committed a federal crime. Don’t you find that a little amazing? Less than 1% of the abortions are due to the most extreme circumstances (rape, incest, life of the mother, severe disability…). That makes abortion nothing more than birth control. What that means is we have a society that is behaving irresponsibly. Actions with no consequences. Go get it evacuated. Just that easy. We’re talking about a human life.

Are you a foster parent? Have you adopted any of these children? Do you educate so abortion is never even an option?

Yes! With my kids and I’m doing it right now; I hope.

 

[ItalianScallion]

Libby? If a child is not wanted it shouldn't be
conceived in the first place!

:fixed:

If the child is "viable" then I do have a problem with it, and hope people like you will be there to adopt the unwanted child, or you will pay with your tax dollars while this child is being raised.
Do you educate so abortion is never even an option?

I'd rather pay for a child's care than for it's termination.
What about old people Wenchy? With your thinking they can be terminated too. Is that OK? Dayum lady! A life is a life and it is from conception to death!
And yes I do educate so abortion is never an option. God is the controller of the life & death of the innocent, not us.

 

[Radiant1]

Do you educate so abortion is never even an option?

I do and there are also two children alive today due to my counseling of their mothers. They are healthy, happy, and well loved. I help the mothers out with $ flow from time to time when they need it too. Both have told me that things weren't as bad as they seemed at first and were glad they didn't get an abortion. Most pro-lifers don't just talk smack, they do what they can to make a difference.

You know Wenchy, if PP were to just stick with education and preventing conception I wouldn't have too much problem with them; however, the fact that they readily perform abortions and hold back info on crimes that may be involved in the pregnancy, etc. makes it another issue. In addition, I do not like my tax dollars going to help them perform abortions either, I'd much rather my tax dollars go to education, counseling, vocational training, etc.

As Libby pointed out, Margaret Sanger was a racist and advocated negative eugenics. This is part of the ideology that PP was founded on and I think that should be taken into consideration before one praises her efforts.

 

[puggymom]

Most people who are pro choice are not pro abortion. Pro abortion, to me anyway, means every pregnancy should end in abortion. I do not like abortion BUT I have said it before but I firmly believe that abortion should be safe, legal, and RARE!!!! Do you honestly think this morning as I watched my 15 month old have a major tantrum (with real tears and everything) because I would not let him dump the dogs water bowl over I thought to myself 'gosh I should just abort him?' Of course not.
But I am a realist and abortions WILL happen whether they are legal or not. In fact abortion rates where it is illegal is comparable to where it is legal so laws really accomplish nothing:

Facts on Induced Abortion Worldwide

Legal restrictions on abortion do not affect its incidence. For example, the abortion rate is 29 in Africa, where abortion is illegal in many circumstances in most countries, and it is 28 in Europe, where abortion is generally permitted on broad grounds. The lowest rates in the world are in Western and Northern Europe, where abortion is accessible with few restrictions

This is defiantly a supply-demand issue. I think instead of spending all this time, money, and energy on making abortion illegal (supply) we should ask ourselves WHY is there such a demand?
We as a society have to be doing something wrong if so many woman are getting pregnant only to terminate the pregnancy. The problem is I do not think there is one right answer that will work for every child, kwim?

 

[This_person]

The viability of the fetus outside of the womb. I have no memories of the womb, even from the third trimester, do you? During the third trimester the baby can survive with today's technology.

If a fetus were "viable" at 19 weeks, would you change your stance on second trimester? I have no memories of being one year old, either. And, I certainly could not have maintained myself without support from other people - should my parents have been able to abort me from life?

I still think the world would be better off without people procreating and spitting out children they can't afford/want.

I agree with this. But, when such actions happen, I don't think that their killing the kids is a reasonable answer.

Again, I feel sorry for you that you chose to procreate with a woman who chose to abort your baby. That's very sad and I can understand your stand on this issue because of this.

I do appreciate your kind words and understanding on this.

 

[puggymom]

If a fetus were "viable" at 19 weeks, would you change your stance on second trimester?

I know this probably sounds but I wish they could be able to remove the 'embryo-fetus-baby' and place it in some sort ot womb-like incubator until it is fully developed.

 

[This_person]

I am currently suffering from mastitis. It is a clogged milk duct caused by a LIVING bacterial infection. It is VERY common in breastfeeding woman. Should I not be allowed to take the necessary antibiotics to make me feel better because after all using your logic I made the choice to breastfeed knowing mastitis could happen.

And on that note seeing as how this bacteria is a LIVING organism in my body what give me the right to decided I can rid myself of it purely for my convience?

Wow, are you really comparing the life of a bacteria to that of your child? Are you serious?

My point is who gets to decide the value of life for others? Does a vegan get to decide that you (general) should not be allowed to eat meat, hunt, or wear any animal products? Because to them animals are living beings that deserve life. How would you feel if they got to make the laws.

Again, corn is just as alive as the cow that I hope eats it before I have the steak from the cow. But, none of these things are humans. I really, really, really see a difference between corn, cows, and humans. I hope you do, too.

Who gets to decide? Society. After all, that's who makes the laws. And, we've decided murder is against the law. Again, if you kill a pregnant woman, you can be charged with TWO murders. So, why isn't it just as much murder to kill the child in a doctor's office?

I firmly believe that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. Instead of putting all this effort into attacking the supply for abortion why don't we focus on the demand? Why are woman getting pregnant with babies they do not want? Are we not effectly teaching BC to our children?

Because they know they can just kill it legally if they get pregnant accidentally? As shown above, information provided from pro-abortion sources show about 98% of abortions are unneeded for any other reason than convienience of the parent(s). That makes as much sense as being allowed to kill a one year old because the parent(s) didn't realize how much work and money they'd cost.

And honestly what do you think will happen if RvW is overturned? All it does is protect abortion on a federal level. If overturned it is up to the states to make that decision. And blue states, like Maryland, will contine to provide access while red states will ban it then turn around and cut all funding to help the mom and baby out once the baby is born.

That's quite a crystal ball you have. But, that's an interesting thought - the local government would have the control the tenth amendment says they have. Interesting thought.

 

[This_person]

It is not 'brought into this world' until is passes the birth canal--or the 1 in 4 chance of major surgery. So by taking away the decision to have an abortion you are in fact forcing them to have children.

How? Who told them they had to get pregnant in the first place?

It's consequences of actions, not force.

 

[This_person]

Because it is not legally a life until it is born. Once it is born it has the same rights as everyone else. Two organisms cannot have legal rights over the same body.

Then why was Scott Peterson convicted of TWO murders?

 

[itsbob]

As Libby pointed out, Margaret Sanger was a racist and advocated negative eugenics. This is part of the ideology that PP was founded on and I think that should be taken into consideration before one praises her efforts.

Careful, your ignorance is showing again.

Denegrating a person that's been dead HOW long to further your argument?

You were doing good until that point, now you've just shown that you haven't done your own research, just parroting what you've been told.

 

[puggymom]

Wow, are you really comparing the life of a bacteria to that of your child? Are you serious?Again, corn is just as alive as the cow that I hope eats it before I have the steak from the cow. But, none of these things are humans. I really, really, really see a difference between corn, cows, and humans. I hope you do, too.

Who gets to decide? Society. After all, that's who makes the laws. And, we've decided murder is against the law. Again, if you kill a pregnant woman, you can be charged with TWO murders. So, why isn't it just as much murder to kill the child in a doctor's office?Because they know they can just kill it legally if they get pregnant accidentally? As shown above, information provided from pro-abortion sources show about 98% of abortions are unneeded for any other reason than convienience of the parent(s). That makes as much sense as being allowed to kill a one year old because the parent(s) didn't realize how much work and money they'd cost.That's quite a crystal ball you have. But, that's an interesting thought - the local government would have the control the tenth amendment says they have. Interesting thought.

EEERRRRRRR!!!!!!! I do not know how to separate the quote thingys without messing up so bare with me.

Me personally, NO!!!! I love my children. BUT YES there are people out there who view a fetus as a alien parasite that is invading thier bodies.


As for the killing the pregnant woman and being charged with two muders or even just killing her fetus well again I am PRO CHOICE. By doing that you are taking her choice away.

Once a baby is born it hs legal rights. Before that it does not as two people cannot have the same legal rights over one body.

And my point is abortion still would be accessable if RvW was overturned. Heck conservative South Dakota voted down an abortion law because it failed to include the life of the mother.

 

[This_person]

So are you saying that I should stop having sex with my husband? We are finished have children and he had a vasectomy. Should we abstain for the rest of our lives because of the chance the vasectomy could reverse? Does does not account for a healthy marriage to me.

No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying bully for you that you have sex and you've taken precautions not to have a baby. But, you've also chosen the risk, and thus the consequences, should there be an unexpected and unplanned for pregnancy.

When a person drives a car, they take the risk that there will be an accident, knowingly and voluntarily. You are not allowed to kill anyone who gets in your way so that you don't have accidents. You have to live with the consequences.

 

[puggymom]

Then why was Scott Peterson convicted of TWO murders?

It has nothing to do with that but with the woman and the baby. The baby cannot have the same legal rights as the mother.

 

[This_person]

That is your opinion. Why do you get to decide the value of life for others? Cancer is a living organism. So why don't we ban chemo and radiation because after all it kills that living organism.

Once again, cancer will not grow into a human. The difference between a cancer cell and a human baby is so great that I would think you'd understand it, as a mother.

 

[This_person]

And on the choosing to have sex note don't you have like a 1 in 8 chance of getting into a car accident every time you drive. Does that mean you deserve to get into an accident just because you choose to drive?

No, you accept the potential of the consequences - you accept the risk.

 

[itsbob]

Then why was Scott Peterson convicted of TWO murders?

Because the baby wasn't in HIS body, it wasn't HIS choice.

She wanted to have the baby apparently, it's her body her choice.

I have faith in the intelligence of MOST women. If given the facts I fully support them to make the right choice.

I don't believe myself to be superior to have to make informed decisions for them.

Give them the facts, if they are over 18 (what the US deems to be an adult and capable of making adult decsions) and decide an abortion is right for them, who am I to force my rights, beliefs, and morals upon them??

Would I ever want to abort a baby? NO, absolutely not. I still wouldn't force my opinion on someone else.