Plate scanners.......a step too far....?
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“I don’t like this particular arc of this particular part of history,” said Schechter. “I’m screaming ‘stop’ as I vote ‘yes.’”
The cameras in Jackson are part of the “Falcon” line, which sends instant alerts to law enforcement. There are different models of the AI surveillance technology, each named after birds: Raven, an audio device for detecting sounds of crime such as gunshots, breaking glass, sawing metal, and screeching tires; Wing, which combs through thousands of hours of footage for specific vehicle identifiers for police; and Condor, which provides a live feed with zooming capabilities. The model names match the company name, Flock Safety, which calls its AI-powered mass surveillance system “TALON.”
TALON has stirred up controversy for its similarities to the technology in science fiction realities portrayed by TV dramas like “Person of Interest” and “Black Mirror,” both of which first aired 12 years ago. In the former, the government relies on an AI program that predicts crime by monitoring the public through surveillance video and all other electronic communications. Multiple episodes of the latter, each of which are stand-alone dramas reminiscent of the “Twilight Zone,” touch on the abuses and extremes of government-involved mass surveillance.
Unlike its TV drama counterparts, Flock Safety says their cameras only capture and retain data on license plates and vehicles — not people — for 30 days or the timeframe required by state and local law.
Yet, much like “Person of Interest,” the real-world AI program by Flock Safety can predict personal associations through “convoy analysis,” which identifies proximity and travel patterns of vehicles. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) characterized Flock Safety’s technology as “Orwellian,” following an investigative report released last year.
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The cameras in Jackson are part of the “Falcon” line, which sends instant alerts to law enforcement. There are different models of the AI surveillance technology, each named after birds: Raven, an audio device for detecting sounds of crime such as gunshots, breaking glass, sawing metal, and screeching tires; Wing, which combs through thousands of hours of footage for specific vehicle identifiers for police; and Condor, which provides a live feed with zooming capabilities. The model names match the company name, Flock Safety, which calls its AI-powered mass surveillance system “TALON.”
TALON has stirred up controversy for its similarities to the technology in science fiction realities portrayed by TV dramas like “Person of Interest” and “Black Mirror,” both of which first aired 12 years ago. In the former, the government relies on an AI program that predicts crime by monitoring the public through surveillance video and all other electronic communications. Multiple episodes of the latter, each of which are stand-alone dramas reminiscent of the “Twilight Zone,” touch on the abuses and extremes of government-involved mass surveillance.
Unlike its TV drama counterparts, Flock Safety says their cameras only capture and retain data on license plates and vehicles — not people — for 30 days or the timeframe required by state and local law.
Yet, much like “Person of Interest,” the real-world AI program by Flock Safety can predict personal associations through “convoy analysis,” which identifies proximity and travel patterns of vehicles. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) characterized Flock Safety’s technology as “Orwellian,” following an investigative report released last year.
Nationwide AI Mass Surveillance System Takes Root In Another State
A national mass surveillance system boosted by artificial intelligence (AI) took root in another state. The town council of Jackson, Wyoming, agreed in a close vote last month to install the 30 solar-powered license plate recognition (LPR) cameras along their streets and traffic lights, which...
3CATSAILOR
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It sounds like an interesting case for SCOTUS. The Supreme Court's ruling for Privacy in the Digital Age issued its landmark privacy decision in Carpenter v. United States, ruling that the government must get a warrant before accessing a person's sensitive cellphone location data. This seems to be a similar case of Carpenter v United States whereas Law Enforcement knows where your vehicle is but cannot necessairly identify you as the driver. Although the vehicle may be registered to you, it cannot specifically identify you as the driver. However, in today's Digital Age, it would be easy to link your Vehicle Registration to your Driver's License which does have your photo. It is true that more cameras have popped up in the County, pardon the pun. However, I believe there are many more to follow.
3CATSAILOR
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There is very little expectation of privacy when in public.
glhs837
Power with Control
Yep. However. Pretty sure the govt amassing petabytes of data on the comings and goings of every citizen who crosses a camera/sensors path isn't anyone's idea of freedom.
glhs837
Power with Control
Different tech. At least the SHA shut Cameron down when he tried for red light cameras. I suspect his predecessor will try again.
Bare-ya-cuda
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If the hey had a concealed license why would they want to stop them and ask to see the gun? I read that story as well and was skeptical of it being entirely factual. Unless the ccw is from another state, which I don’t believe Maryland would be able to see. Not all states tie ccw to drivers license.
black dog
Free America
Not ll States are CCW States. Some are Constitutional Carry, Some of those are CC or OC or both.
Like Indiana, we are not only Constitutional Carry, Our handgun permits are free, and you carry what and how you wish to carry.
Our permits simply say, Permit to Carry a Handgun along with your info. They are not tied to our DL.
Oh and it doesn't have your picture on it.
LtownTaxpayer
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I have a great idea. Instead of Homeland Security activating this database in order to help 'locate “criminal aliens and absconders.”,' they could do something crazy like STOP LETTING THE CRIMINAL ALIENS AND ABSCONDERS into our country.
glhs837
Power with Control
Called this, didnt I?
Kinnakeet
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The story stopped at do you have a gun...
Maybe some of you don't know , Dr Smith from SMCPS went to the school board asking to use a total of 1.46 million dollars for a new program, cameras for in the schools and parking lot and supporting hardware (IT servers etc). Google Avigilon. It has AI, facial recognition and license plate readers. If you have a problem with the police having license plate readers, think about some flunky in safety and security. Every time you go to the schools and fork over your license, it gets scanned into that system. They can use the AI to track your kids, you, even your spouse who works there, even months later. This was APPROVED with only 1 nay from the board. It's supposed to be up and running by end of THIS school year.
DannyMotorcycle
Active Member
If you're ok with the gov't scanning your tags and uploading the time and location to a database.. then why are you against a gps tracker on your vehicle without a warrant? it's the same thing. Just imagine one camera on one street today, then the next block and the next block until one day it's on every block and just like a gps tracker, your location is tracked everywhere.
DannyMotorcycle
Active Member
If it's a maryland law, and you're a police officer in MD, then you could call the place where dogs are registered and say I'm officer so and so, I have a suspect in custody suspected of violating the law of an unregistered dog. Can you verify that this person does or doesn't have a license before i issue this citation.. OK maybe it's not set up like that but it could be. You could send an officer over to the regulatory office in person for this investigation. Does the county need a warrant to check county records to investigate a crime? i doubt it.
DannyMotorcycle
Active Member
So just because it hasnt' happened to your knowledge means it's never goign to happen.. that's your logic?
Sounds a little arrogant. You want to guarantee big brother won't be a problem for the future generations?
LightRoasted
If I may ...
For your consideration ...
Don't think he'll be answering you since he hasn't been seen here in 9 years.
Don't think he'll be answering you since he hasn't been seen here in 9 years.