Politicizing another funeral...
- Thread starter Larry Gude
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ylexot
Super Genius
I read "In comes the problem, how do you rid politics in your local church?" to mean that you can't seperate politics from the church...which isBuddyLee said:
That is just plain false. I guess you've never seen all the atheists in politics.BuddyLee said:
The bible preaches personal values, not societal values. You can't rely on society to get you into heaven. If you want to derive personal values into politics, than I can do the same thing with anything.BuddyLee said:
Pete
Repete
Your definition of politics must be so broad you are clouded. Call me in 20 years when you are "enlightened"BuddyLee said:I wonder how, show a young mind the way.
I just cannot see how a group of people cannot be political eventually. I can see how they can be non-partisan.
Give me an example of Biblical politics. I will wait right here. :taptap:
Pete
Repete
I am 41 so you might want to put a push on itBuddyLee said:I'll get back to you after I've finished reading the bible.
In the meantime I want you to write : "I will not attempt to pose intellectual questions, engage in arguments and make statements of fact when I don't know what I am talking about." 100 times on the chalk board.
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Pete
Repete
In the meantime I want you to write : "I will not attempt to pose intellectual questions, engage in arguments and make statements of fact when I don't know what I am talking about." 100 times on the chalk board.BuddyLee said:I have to get through all these pesky social contract theorists before I can even think about having enough time for something as lenghty as the bible.
Buddy, you must have had a reason why you said the Bible is political. What was it? 
BuddyLee
Football addict
Basically this:vraiblonde said:Buddy, you must have had a reason why you said the Bible is political. What was it?
If your church believes in the bible and you believe in the bible won't you apply those 'sacred' beliefs into every aspect of your life? I mean, belief begets some sort of faith in those beliefs. I'm sure there are political sections within the bible, however, I can also see it's beliefs trickling down into our social and political world.BuddyLee said:
I think that politics can be a religion for some, but I never thought of it the other way around.BuddyLee said:
Interesting...
Larry Gude
Strung Out
And I ask again...
...what issues?
I guarantee you that the Rev. Lowery and Senior Che Carter would claim that the issues they raised were preciesly the issues Dr. King and his wife dealt with. Do you honestly think they don't see it that way?
It's the tactic of presumption and that is exactly what I am trying to call them out on; everyone knows that W is an evil doer wire tapping good old honest Americans just like what happened to Dr. King...
Everyone knows that W doesn't like black people because it took him 15 minutes longer for him to react to Katrina than a President who liked black people...
That is EXACTLY what Dr. King fought against! He would instantly recognize W as a man of character. He would remind Lowery and Carter and Kanye of men with water hoses and dogs being rather different than a man who brought billions of dollars in relief a few days later than some would have liked to a natural disater.
He would have them see the spying on of a man working to incite peace as rather different than the spying on of men who seek to incite global conflict.
Mrs. Kings funeral was to be a celebration of her life, of where she and we were and where she ended and where we are today.
It is nothing short of criminal to make the arguments made by these people in light of the reality of Mrs. Kings life and in light of the reality of where we are as a people, nevermind how much hate Lowery and Carter and the rest see or want YOU to see.
MLK would be ashamed of them and so would his wife. Unless, of course, you take Lowery and Carters position and King was no more than they are and would see things as they do; race hustlers.
...what issues?
BuddyLee said:
I guarantee you that the Rev. Lowery and Senior Che Carter would claim that the issues they raised were preciesly the issues Dr. King and his wife dealt with. Do you honestly think they don't see it that way?
It's the tactic of presumption and that is exactly what I am trying to call them out on; everyone knows that W is an evil doer wire tapping good old honest Americans just like what happened to Dr. King...
Everyone knows that W doesn't like black people because it took him 15 minutes longer for him to react to Katrina than a President who liked black people...
That is EXACTLY what Dr. King fought against! He would instantly recognize W as a man of character. He would remind Lowery and Carter and Kanye of men with water hoses and dogs being rather different than a man who brought billions of dollars in relief a few days later than some would have liked to a natural disater.
He would have them see the spying on of a man working to incite peace as rather different than the spying on of men who seek to incite global conflict.
Mrs. Kings funeral was to be a celebration of her life, of where she and we were and where she ended and where we are today.
It is nothing short of criminal to make the arguments made by these people in light of the reality of Mrs. Kings life and in light of the reality of where we are as a people, nevermind how much hate Lowery and Carter and the rest see or want YOU to see.
MLK would be ashamed of them and so would his wife. Unless, of course, you take Lowery and Carters position and King was no more than they are and would see things as they do; race hustlers.
Can't do it. I do not believe the Bible is political. Our church specifically refrains from political recommendations from the pulpit. Our church does not shy away from Biblical truth; abortion is murder therfore sin, homosexual behavior is sin, theft is sin, Jesus is the only way to salvation. These are not political issues; they are moral issues. They only become political as government tries to impose certain positions on moral issues. Obviously our legal system is an outgrowth from moral issues, but because moral issues are in the Bible or discussed in church does not make the Bible or a church political.BuddyLee said:Ug, my weakness. Come to my rescue 2A.
When a pastor steps over the line into politics, they are wrong to do so. There is a vast difference between teaching that abortion is sin, sin is wrong, and people need to repent from sin and accept salvation through Jesus, and "preaching" that the Democratic party is from satan because it endorses abortion.
It only takes a year to read the Bible if you read three verses each week day and six verses each Saturday and Sunday.Pete said:I am 41 so you might want to put a push on it
It is amazing the the Bible ranks near the top if not number one in book sales worldwide and is probably the least read book. Almost every household has at least one Bible. Almost no one reads the Bible cover to cover and that includes ministers.
So many people say, "The Bible says ...", when it says no such thing, or take verses out of context to prove a point when the verses in context prove just the opposite. Even ministers are guilty of that practice.
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