Proudly Gay and Ordained?

[gumbo]

Born that way or not. Who cares thats not the point.
Is it a immoral sex act according to the Bible , Yes it is.
There are choices everyone has to make, if they feel they are born that way they can choose to be celibate.

The fact is everyone wants to make their problems someone else's and will manipulate and twist the word to suit themselves..

Its funny when I was a biker and a drug user I thought it was OK to exploit women, to do drugs and fight.
During that time in my life I could twist the laws and the word to suit myself and argue the point that it was perfectly OK to do what I was doing.
I didn't feel I was hurting anyone or myself.
Because I truly believed this, I would twist anything anyone said and make it seem like they was wrong and the bad guy.

The point is we all want accept what we do as right even if it is wrong.
Because we know Gay folks or even have a loved one that is Gay, does not make it any less lewd behavior.
I am not saying shun them or to judge them ,because that too is a sin,
But it is dead wrong to twist Gods word to fit a life style of immorality.

Homosexuality is an action , not a person or a race
What part of being held accountable for your actions don't you understand?

 

[JabbaJawz]

I don't care what the bible says. Homosexuality is not a choice. Therefore, calling someone a sinner for being born gay is the same as calling someone a sinner for being born ugly.

Agreed.

 

[gumbo]

The bible is interpreted differently by everyone. Just remember "opinions are like @ssholes, everyone has one and most of them stink". Interpretations are the same way.
But just for the record I happen to like Dems opinions on this subject.

No its not interpreted differently by everyone.

It,s only misinterpreted by those of greed and those whom are trying to make there actions fit the word of God.

 

[Nickel]

I have known effeminate men (by mannerisms, build, and speech) that were either celibate or heterosexuals. They were Christians. I've also known masculine women (same set of parameters as for men) who were either celibate or heterosexuals. They also were Christians. I see in them the very noble quality of obeying God's word, regardless of their tendencies.

I will leave this conversation with this:

A man or woman's mannerisms have absolutely nothing to do with their sexual preferances. To say that a man who dresses well, cries, or has any other stereotypical gay traits is ignorant. To say that a woman who (heaven forbid) displays male tendencies, such as hammering a nail or playing sports is attracted to other women is not only ignorant, it is narrow minded and archaic. Maybe they were "heterosexuals" because they were attracted to members of the other sex. Get a grip, a person's sexual preference is none of your business or concern...if they're going to hell that's their cross to bear, not yours. Do not condemn those that you do not know.

 

[Nickel]

The point is we all want accept what we do as right even if it is wrong.
Because we know Gay folks or even have a loved one that is Gay, does not make it any less lewd behavior.
I am not saying shun them or to judge them ,because that too is a sin,
But it is dead wrong to twist Gods word to fit a life style of immorality.

Homosexuality is an action , not a person or a race
What part of being held accountable for your actions don't you understand?

I agree with this. I do not condone homosexuality, but honestly, it has no basis on my life, and I'm not going to prance around like some lunatic telling people they're going to hell. Frankly, it's not my job, nor is it any other earthly person's.

 

[2ndAmendment]

You know what? It makes no difference what opinion any human being has on the subject of sin no matter what sin it is. The only thing that matters is what God knows. It is His kingdom and He will let in or reject and condemn who He wishes. Period. Many, many people want to go to heaven on their own terms. The Bible says they won't. It does not matter what I say. It does not matter what Dems says, or Railroad, or vrai, or Nickel, or Bustin or anyone else. It just does not matter what your opinion is. Your choice whether you choose to obey God's word does matter. The difference is heaven or hell. There is no in between and when you die, there is no second chance. Choose wisely.

 

[2ndAmendment]

... and I'm not going to prance around like some lunatic telling people they're going to hell. Frankly, it's not my job, nor is it any other earthly person's.

If you are a Christian, it is your business. The Bible says to proclaim the Truth. Those that die in their sin without forgiveness will go to hell. If you don't agree, too bad. It doesn't matter. I would hope you would do it in a reasonable manner and not like a prancing lunatic, but if you are a Christian, you must do it.

 

[Ricky Racer]

I don't care what the bible says. Homosexuality is not a choice. Therefore, calling someone a sinner for being born gay is the same as calling someone a sinner for being born ugly.

This statement doesn't apply to any laws of logic.
Being ugly is not an action.
Someone,s sexual preference is a ACTION

And to state that Homosexuality is not a choice is to aSSume that all Homosexuals are genetically deformed.


Um....So what about men who go into prison heterosexually but become homosexual , or woman that just get tired of being screwed over by men , all they did was change their sexual preference.

That shoots your theory in the foot.

Speaking of choice....That would be your choice not to care what the bible says

 

[SmallTown]

Speaking of choice....That would be your choice not to care what the bible says

homosexuality is such an easy target for the biblethumpers. Please, show me one person in this entire world who follows exactly what they bible says. Going by your logic, EVERY christian chooses not to care what the bible says in one aspect or another. Many christians use a liberal interpretation of the bible for themselves, and a very strict interpretation when it pertains to others.

 

[Ricky Racer]

homosexuality is such an easy target for the biblethumpers. Please, show me one person in this entire world who follows exactly what they bible says. Going by your logic, EVERY christian chooses not to care what the bible says in one aspect or another. Many christians use a liberal interpretation of the bible for themselves, and a very strict interpretation when it pertains to others.

No target .. Last I looked this thread is about Homosexuals being ordained.
Then as usual you have those who think it's OK.

As for the rest of your statement I agree.
As for being Christan. I am not trying to be ordained.

 

[SmallTown]

No target .. Last I looked this thread is about Homosexuals being ordained.
Then as usual you have those who think it's OK.

As for the rest of your statement I agree.
As for being Christan. I am not trying to be ordained.

Every Christian I have even known that tries to "spread the word of God" say it isn't them, but rather God speaking through them. So I would imagine if being Gay is so wrong in God's eyes, whenever they opened their mouth to spread the word, nothing would come out :shrug:

 

[Bustem' Down]

I don't care what the bible says. Homosexuality is not a choice. Therefore, calling someone a sinner for being born gay is the same as calling someone a sinner for being born ugly.

I have to agree with that. My Uncle was gay and he's told me that he wan't to be straight, but can't. He wouldn't choose to be ostracized from society.

 

[gumbo]

The more I read these post the more I realize that people assume people have to have sex.
To be a Homosexually you have to be having sex.
And what does the Bible say about immoral sex?
It's a sin.

End of conversation.

From what I see allot of you think it's ok for a man to be ordained that is known to be slamming it to another man's butt.
What a wonderful world of morals we live in.
Soon the word moral will be a bad word.

 

[Bustem' Down]

The more I read these post the more I realize that people assume people have to have sex.
To be a Homosexually you have to be having sex.
And what does the Bible say about immoral sex?
It's a sin.

End of conversation.

From what I see allot of you think it's ok for a man to be ordained that is known to be slamming it to another man's butt.
What a wonderful world of morals we live in.
Soon the word moral will be a bad word.

Point taken, but isn't it immoral to commit adultery? Why are those people exempt?

 

[SamSpade]

Point taken, but isn't it immoral to commit adultery? Why are those people exempt?

I don't think people think it's exempt, least of all, Christians. Of course they believe it's wrong.

One of the most worn-out arguments is the discussion that somehow, homosexuality is singled out amongst Christians as somehow being worse than everything else - that with all the sin out there, it gets a worse rap than anything else.

Bull.

It gets *attention* because there are so many trying to put across the idea that no matter what the Bible teaches or what the church says, that it's just plain ok. And see, no one is saying that hey, if you're a good person, a nice guy, help people out BUT you do commit adultery, then that makes it all ok. No one's saying that. And no one is saying that homosexuality is some far terrible sin that trumps all others.

The issue only exists at all because there's a side claiming that it's ok, and another saying it isn't. It's not being "picked on". The issue exists because some *support* it.

Where are the pro-adultery marchers? Where's the thread on saying adultery is ok, as long as you're a good person, and that you have several friends that are habitual adulterers, but, you don't have a problem with that? It's simple. People know that that is wrong. It doesn't get "picked on" because people aren't defending it.

 

[Railroad]

I don't think people think it's exempt, least of all, Christians. Of course they believe it's wrong.

One of the most worn-out arguments is the discussion that somehow, homosexuality is singled out amongst Christians as somehow being worse than everything else - that with all the sin out there, it gets a worse rap than anything else.

Bull.

It gets *attention* because there are so many trying to put across the idea that no matter what the Bible teaches or what the church says, that it's just plain ok. And see, no one is saying that hey, if you're a good person, a nice guy, help people out BUT you do commit adultery, then that makes it all ok. No one's saying that. And no one is saying that homosexuality is some far terrible sin that trumps all others.

The issue only exists at all because there's a side claiming that it's ok, and another saying it isn't. It's not being "picked on". The issue exists because some *support* it.

Where are the pro-adultery marchers? Where's the thread on saying adultery is ok, as long as you're a good person, and that you have several friends that are habitual adulterers, but, you don't have a problem with that? It's simple. People know that that is wrong. It doesn't get "picked on" because people aren't defending it.

Well said, Sam, as usual!!!

 

[K_Jo]

And to state that Homosexuality is not a choice is to aSSume that all Homosexuals are genetically deformed.

Deformed? That's certainly not what I'm assuming. You poor thing. Poor little homophobe.

 

[Ricky Racer]

Deformed? That's certainly not what I'm assuming. You poor thing. Poor little homophobe.

Excuse me ! You was the one that posted Homo's are born that way.
That would make then a genetic deformity would it not.

Hardly am I Homophobic , I grew up 15 miles from Hollywood CA.
I have had lots of friends that are gay , but thats besides the point.

I don't think a Hooker should be ordained either

 

[K_Jo]

Excuse me ! You was the one that posted Homo's are born that way.
That would make then a genetic deformity would it not.

Hardly am I Homophobic , I grew up 15 miles from Hollywood CA.
I have had lots of friends that are gay , but thats besides the point.

I don't think a Hooker should be ordained either

Right, I believe homesexuals are born homosexual. That does not mean I believe homosexuality is a genetic deformity.

That would make then a genetic deformity would it not. <------ That is an ignorant statement, so I'd rather you didn't give me credit for it.

 

[AC/DC]

I don't think a Hooker should be ordained either.

It would give “confirmation” a whole new meaning.